The article this is from has many truths, I agree about Santorum, the Vatican, etc, but check out the part circled in yellow...
The Quiverful Movement and Patriarchy were NOT hijacked by Dominionism or Reconstructionism, but BEGUN by them.
Why on earth would you reject Dominionism on one hand and then support the "Christian Taliban" when it comes to family life?
Where do you think this stuff came from?
Well I wrote the blogger some weeks ago and told her what I thought privately on this matter, but this is what I am talking about when I tell people to be careful and test what they read on blogs. You can read endless truths and her blog warns of many GOOD THINGS and then hit a brick wall of a massive untruth. Some can be sincere misunderstandings, being human, we all have our blind spots, I am sure I even have a few, while others are more insidious in nature.
I would like to think she is sincere, but how could someone research Dominionism so extensively and not see Rome's or even the new world order's claws in the Quiverful and Patriarchy movements?
Who started Quiverful?
Quiverful EXACTLY matches the message given to Catholics, do not use birth control, have as many children as possible. While Quiverful took root in the homeschool movement and used it to advance their beliefs, this was one way Dominionism got it's claws in as well. What about Pharisees laying burdens that not all can bear, especially in a modern non-agricultural society where so few can barely support the few children they have? How are the leaders of Quiverful any different from the Popes laying on their edicts?
I saw enough in the Catholic world to horrify me, including knowing a woman in a Trad Catholic church with 15 children, being told she would die if she had another, with a husband who ignored the well-being of his wife [sort of like Jim Bob Duggar]. I also knew personally a lady in the regular [Novus Ordo] Catholic church who had 16 children and lived in a two bedroom house dependent on the church's charity where they did not believe in birth control. She collapsed in tears in front of me and another friend saying she could not bear another child. In her mid 40s, she remained fertile and had a disabled child as well to take care of. All I know is 2 years later after I moved away and she was pregnant again.
The tales of abuses, ignoring of women's health problems, are well-known to any middle aged and beyond Catholic or ex-Catholic. Don't forget the modern Catholics who reject birth control have NFP to plan their families, this is actually dissuaded in Quiverful circles and during pre-Vatican II times, NFP was not encouraged. But even the Catholics pre-Vatican II, in cases of extreme hardship unlike the Quiverfuls allowed it [Mrs. Duggar a case in point who spoke of her own possible martyrship in childbirth.]
I have warned about Quiverful on this blog article:
The Duggars, Bill Gothard, Vision Forum, and The Quiverful Movement
There is nothing Christian about it, it is about bondage for women and families, it's leaders have their hands in endless DOMINIONIST politics, they go HAND IN HAND. The notion that the Dominionists infiltrated some Christian directed Quiverful or patriarchy movement is wrong.
ATI-Bill Gothards group, Above Rubies and more advance Quiverful as the only role a woman can play and be godly. Think about this, all the women who never marry in a Quiverful/Patriarchy family are consigned to live at home the rest of their lives as forever children under their father's authority. There is something in this world even called transfer of authority should one of these women marry.
What happens to the women where the parents die young or she marries late? It is nothing but legalism and bondage and we see the Duggar daughters living this out in full view. I am glad I got to do more then babysit my mother's endless babies and do endless housework like Jana Duggar who will be 22 years old next week. I was already a teacher at that age. How sad. Many Christians who get swept up into these lifestyles, many well-meaning desiring the ideal life presented by these teachers and pepper the internet with their blogs filled with Victoriana, sweet flowers on the table and baking bread, either are very sadly unaware of or ignore the many realities of these movements in the abuse, controlled thwarted lives and rest they have brought to many.
Fanatic for Jesus has another blog called "Kindred Spirits". Here she does advance the Quiverful/Patriarchy lifestyle at least with some caveats. There is nothing wrong with having a large family, and she has been very blessed in that way, but I hope one day she can see what I am warning about here. She writes on one blog entry:
"Recently I made a discovery about an author I really like. Debi Pearl's books are wonderful and I have been changed by many of the things she has written. However, when I recently visited her website, she has occult/New World Order symbolism in it."
I believe to many Christians, the Pearl's books are "wonderful", that is what is so sad about the deception. Many people see the ideal families presented in books like the "Pearls" but do not think things through. I am glad she acknowledges the occult/New World Order symbolism in these books. That is a start. One thing, that is hard and it took me time, is realizing how deep deception went, and more and more and how subtle deception can be. We all have to be on guard for it, I certainly have made my mistakes and been fooled before, even being UU and a Catholic earlier in life is evidence of that, but there are things I have been fooled about even AFTER that time. So I am not claiming perfection for myself, just feeling compelled to warn about Quiverful and Patriarchy. I do not want anyone thinking these movements are OK, and just hijacked by Dominionism when they are full part and parcel of the Dominionism take-over and deception.
On Fanatic for Jesus's sister blog, "Kindred Spirits Sisters" she repeats the notion that the Quiverful and Patriarchy movements were GOOD movements that got hijacked in her article:
The Christian Church and Use of Birth Control Part 1
A Rabbit Trail: Dominionism/Reconstructionism
As many of you have become aware, Bible-believing Christians who have embraced the Quiver Full/Patriarchy movement, have been hijacked unknowingly by the Christian Dominionist/Reconstrutionist social/political movement. Essentially they seek to influence secular civil government through political action. Ministries such as Vision Forum and Christian Patriarchy ministries are two such ministries, and both have a clear agendaI just do not agree with her, that the Quiverful and Patriarchy movements were good movements separate from the development of Dominionism.
There are facets of this article that are true, she is right about the role the Dominionists are playing here but misled about what lies behind the Patriarchy stuff. I question the use of the pill myself since it now seems to be polluting the water and adding estrogen to places that should not have it. I do not know about the evidence of it being an abortifacient, that would take more study on my part and am open to those opinions, but there are definitely birth control methods that are abortifacient like the IUD that Christians should avoid. I do not obviously hold the Quiverful/Catholic opinion about birth control but believe couples should take these issues to God. If a couple is facing financial hardship or severe health problems, and other issues regarding having children, take these to God in prayer. These are matters of personal conscience. I am glad she admits some face immense problems in these areas in her Part 2 article and does not hold to a legalistic line but even in Catholicism, I know people personally who are in the "special categories list" and there are more of them then you'd think who were told by Catholic priests, either to live with spouse as brother and sister for good or take the risk to their lives and health and if they used birth control or even NFP even once as one Trad friend was told, that they were on the way to hell. Being infertile or having severe health problems that preclude pregnancy can be very difficult in the Catholic world, even in many modern Catholic churches.
She admits there are some problems in these movements: [by the way this blog is the Discernment Ministry being mentioned] and I am sorry to have to name names here, and thought of avoiding it but didn't know how to warn about this without using links and where this message was coming from.
Attack from Discernment Ministries
Since the Quiver Full/Patriarchal movements both proclaim self-sacrifice and submission as model virtues of godly womanhood - which is true - opponents believe that women live within stringently enforced doctrines of wifely submission and male domination. Discernment ministries believe that families who live by the Quiver Full/Patriarchy philosophy of following God’s command to “be fruitful and multiply,” and believe in the husband's headship in the family, are trying to win the religion and culture wars through demographic means.
So, let's look at this realistically. How many of us have actually been affected by these false teachings of Dominionism and Reconstructionism? Since a biblical teachings on the family have unknowingly been adopted by the Right Wing, have you been influenced to live each day to take dominion of your community? Does the idea of it seem absurd? Or have you been living by the fundamentals taught in scripture, and filtering out the strange concepts offered through some of these materials?
That is good advice to filter out the "strange stuff" but I see the Quiverful/Patriarchy folks being affected by Dominionism all over the place. Patriarchy itself is strange, and definitely something better left in the Stone Age. Why does she assume all of these things are biblical?
I even have old loved church members who now are praising Vision Forum to me. The people I know 'personally' with stay at home daughters and follow these things, read magazines like World magazine which has the religious right messages to "take Dominion'. They get these messages constantly within the homeschooling commmunity where discerning homeschoolers need to be very careful. Considering the numbers game, one thing I find interesting about the Quiverful/Patriarchy world is they forget their lifestyle is not even OBTAINABLE by all Christians, what if a woman is married to an unsaved husband and become born again years into and AFTER the marriage? Can someone become a stay at home daughter who desires courtship when their parents are unbelieving modern folks who demand they leave home by 18 and get a career? It is a CLOSED WORLD.
Scripture has been taken and twisted by many to lay burdens on people and demand lifestyles and rules, that are not of grace but of legalism and control. How many unmarried, single, divorced, born again after the fertile years people are there that the Quiverful/Patriarchy rules just "condemn"? How many people today in this world exist even without families? How many are even the ONLY Christian in the mix? By the way I am the only born again Christian in my entire family network going down the list to cousins, aunts, second cousins, uncles, great-aunts etc.
Where do they get the idea that every Christian has a born again Christian family? In this world, that must be rarer then the dodo bird. I have known of a few in my old church but they were the exceptions rather then the rule, and loving people who did not look to control one another. The people who are marginalized by these movements are immense in number. Even many single, widowed elderly, and other people stay out of the churches because they are too family-focused.
At least the Amish provide some support for their young people and have a set apart lifestyle that is actually has a chance of continuing, unlike the Quiverful and Patriarchy bunch who live in the suburbs and expect their 25 year old daughters to somehow find a husband who is godly and Quiverful and able to support a large family on one income. Even escaping to rural areas, is not a definite fix, I saw my old rural community totally economically devestated, the crime rates their have shot up. Some live on the edge of homelessness. One thing I notice about these worlds is they deny what is happening out there. There is no American economic collapse in the Quiverful/Patriarchy world, reality simply does not exist, every man supposedly has a great job and a farm where he can support 10 children.
As for the extreme stuff, from what I am watching out there even online, it is growing. Quiverful and Patriarchy are tied to many EXTREME things and more of these are being exposed. Google some of these terms. I have read all over the web about this stuff but also have known people who have made the decision to live these lifestyles.
There is one thing called multigenerational faithfulness where even a GROWN man married to his own wife [which ignores Genesis 2:24] has to obey his own father. If a child is brought up under total obedience, some must guess why not continue it for life? For those brought up within abusive or otherwise dysfunctional families, this type of thing can give one the chills imaging an abusive parent that holds authority not just up to age 18 but beyond. And yes they can twist the Bible to make this sound true, cherry-plucking verses. Here is one example of this being taught.
What is this Visionary Parenting stuff? Remember this ties into the Family Integrated Churches I already warned about. This is also is part of the Patriarchy movement! Isn't it strange how these seemingly supposedly old fashioned teachings are promoted with modern phrases like VISION this and THAT?
Then there is the Stay at Home daughters as discussed on this blog before, where even grown women are told they must live at home under the authority of their father, or a brother if father is deceased. This is how women have to live under extreme Islam, where women even have to obey their own grown sons if they are widowed. Google Stay at Home Daughter, or SAHD, and read for yourselves. There is no occupational training allowed outside of a few who allow their daughter to be a "mid-wife" [I know a family now that follows this life, where mother went to college to be a physical therapists, but has gotten swept up in these movements--probably with good intentions, and her SAHD is being relegated to off the books "mid-wife" training. ]
Then there is patriocentricity or biblical patriarchy, where the wife and children to do God's will must follow it through the husband/father, here they also use the VISION language quite extensively.
What is Patriocentricity?
* Taken from the Latin and Greek root word "patr" meaning father and the word "centric" meaning "situated at or near the center."
* The term was specifically coined to describe the philosophy of family life promoted within some extreme Christian and Reformed homeschooling communities that teaches that God gives a "calling" in life to only men, specifically fathers, and that the purpose of the wife and children is to fulfill the father's calling.
* Those who embrace this position believe that it changes only when a son assumes his own household responsibilities by taking a wife or a daughter is given in marriage when she can then leave her father's home, her new purpose being to fulfill the calling of her husband.
* Though there are varying degrees of this taught within different groups, the father is sometimes described as the "prophet, priest, and king" of the home and there are other common ideals that often accompany patriocentricity, such as militant fecundity, family integrated church, neo-feudalism, as well as neo-agrarianism.That latter part is interesting, one thing to remember about Patriarchy, it seems they want the priest in your own home with the higher up Pope-pastor issuing orders. Sadly the type of men attracted to this sort of thing would definitely not be the types who see themselves as Christian stewarts and servants but those who desire power and control, one can just imagine the disordered power-hungry types who expect total submission and obedience. Neo-feudalism by the way is a very Catholic concept. Also why so much emphasis on obeying a flawed human being at all costs instead of looking to God first? There is no way, a husband is always in perfect unity with God, that is absurdity and actually one of the false messages of the patriarchy movement. It sets women up as blindly submissive automatons. I fully reject the Patriarchy movement and also have warned about the Patriarchy movement on this blog:
"Two Sides of the Same Evil Coin: Radical Feminism Vs. The Patriarchy Movement"
She continues in her article:
One of the greatest principles that stick in the craw of some of these Discernment ministries are the roles God planned for men and women. They are:
God ordained distinct gender roles for man and woman as part of the created order.
A husband and father is the head of his household, a family leader, provider, and protector.
Woman was created as a helper to her husband, as the bearer of children, and as a “keeper at home.” The God-ordained role for a wife is the household and that which is connected with the home. 
Discernment ministries who say they understand that feminism is one of the building blocks to Marxism/Socialism/Communism, yet they still stand for their belief in Biblical equal rights. Christian feminism represents the views of the more theologically liberal end of the spectrum within Christianity, so naturally they would have a problem with the role of women in these two movements. Christian egalitarians don't want to see the "chain of command" God has created for men and women; where we are equal before God, yet have different roles.
So, many believe that the Quiver Full and Patriarchy leadership are manipulating the conscience of couples, thus causing them to become legalistic and fervent in their views. I see that as a matter of misguided opinion.
Well we definitely disagree. I am not sure what she means by a Christian egalitarian, perhaps I am one, perhaps not. If someone wants to fill me in on that one, I would appreciate it. I do see the Patriarchy movement as false and already have said, I have no issue with men being the head of households or serving as the family leader, but the patriarchy movement is something else it has twisted what is biblical into something that is of bondage. It turns the man of the house into a tyrant and women into slaves.
Who began the Patriarchy Movement? Interesting question. One I will be pondering even beyond this article.
By the way, I have found Catholic and deception connections and roots even AMONG two who served a huge role in advancing these movements.
Who are the people I am talking about?
Francis and Edith Schaeffer
As you watch these videos, remember how I have warned how the "culture wars" have been used for deception.
Francis August Schaeffer (30 January 1912 – 15 May 1984) was an American Evangelical Christian theologian, philosopher, and Presbyterian pastor. He is most famous for his writings and his establishment of the L'Abri community in Switzerland. Opposed to theological modernism, Schaeffer promoted a more historic Protestant faith and a presuppositional approach to Christian apologetics which he believed would answer the questions of the age.[not verified in body] A number of Christian leaders, authors, and evangelists credit Schaeffer's ideas with helping spark the rise of the Christian Right in the United States and were strongly influenced by him. Among them are Operation Rescue founder Randall Terry, Focus on the Family's James Dobson, the 700 Club's Pat Robertson, Prison Fellowship's Charles Colson, columnist Cal Thomas, preacher and author Tim LaHaye, former Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris, and Liberty University and Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell .Notice who considers him a strong influence?
Francis Schaeffer played a strong role in influencing the religious right and in the Patriarchy movement as well, it seems even their son, who left the family religion and "fundamentalism" later, was part of this:
In addition to more of Frank’s family memoir [he is the son of Fran and Edith Schaeffer], Frank also tells his role in helping create the Quiverfull movement by assisting Mary Pride in publishing her book The Way Home–regarded as a foundation of the Quiverful movement and theology.
Edith Schaeffer has been very influential in the Christian Patriarchy movement as well.
Schaeffer's The Hidden Art of Homemaking (1971) has been influential among women in the Christian Patriarchy movement, and has been described by Kathryn Joyce as "perhaps unintentionally, a landmark book for proponents of biblical womanhood." Like What is a Family?, it has been described by Evangelical author Becky Freeman as a "timeless classic"
Read Chapter 5 of this book to see the role the Schaeffers helped to set up in telling Christians to focus their attention back on the home.
The Schaeffers also with Os Guinness, a known false teacher, serving as a leader in this organization set up L'Abri. L'Abri was and is very ecumenical in nature. False teachers like Stott [now deceased] are honored in it's circles. Francis Beckwith who returned to the Catholic church wrote of his encounters with Edith Schaeffer, is this Francis a reference to her husband or St. Francis of Assisi? Francis Schaeffer had a positive view of the saint. [see page 13, here]
Just so you know Looks Like The Shelter or L'Abri was an interesting place.
I read that second part, and well, I suppose my readers can guess what I think, there are times I am doing research WHILE I write the article, and just minutes ago, I was even shocked. Ok, run down the list, these two were instrumental in helping to form today's Patriarchy and Quiverful movement but they ran this place where they invited the hippies, and non-Christians and had LSD promoting "prophet" Timothy Leary visit and some movers and shakers from the Jesus Movement?
This from a book that outlines the history of the Christian Right. Hey not so Christian, after all. Remember what I tell everyone here over and over about the Right and Left delusion? Keep that in mind.
So that said, do you think we should trust the Patriarchy and Quiverful Movements as being biblical in nature? I think not.
As I have said on this blog many times, everything false is rooted in the harlot.