Sunday, November 13, 2011

Calvary Chapel: A Set Up From The Start?



More and more I see Calvary Chapel as just another pseudo-Catholic counter-reformation operation. There are others of course, but Azusa street was the source of many demonic fruits. As one can tell I do not even trust some who are now "exposing" Calvary Chapel. Things get odd when you realize one of the top "exposers" is still holding Bible seminars with one high level "Bible teacher" with massively incredible new world order ties.

I wanted to share this, it was written by another poster on a message board where Calvary Chapel was being discussed from a couple of years ago. I do not think he will mind me sharing this, but it was one of the best written summing up of this whole deceit, I have ever seen. Remember I have warned of those too who have been given the "easy believism" gospel and who never are really born again. Anyhow it gives one some room for thought:

Anyway... I would simply share my view that CC is doing everything exactly right in order to facilitate a huge apostasy in the not-too-distant future (it would seem):


Firstly, the tragic error of PreTrib has millions of Evangelicals, lead by CC, set up to be completely blindsided when the Antichrist seizes the world's centerstage.


Thus we have Jesus' careful predictions, descriptions and warnings (in the Olivet Discourse of Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21)...of an apostasy which draws in the vast majority of Christs' followers when they, in a state of panic, capitulate to the Antichrist and receive the mark of the beast.


The vast majority of "Bible-believing Evangelicals" are going to their doom, according to the direct words of Jesus Himself. Extremely tragic, when one realizes that grasping a few simple facts would prevent any given individual from being seduced by this apostasy deception.


Secondly, the other hugely erroneous notion which seems to prevail with CC (and the rest of mainstream Evangelicalism) and which will play a critical role in the apostasy plot...is this utterly wrenched, warped approach to "once-saved-always-saved". The average participant in mainstream Evangelical church culture has a mindset in which he/she simply presumes to have absolute and finalized assurance of their salvation.


All the Scriptures which indicate that "assurance of salvation" absolutism is a dangerous, erroneous presumption...all those passages have been brushed aside and left in obscurity:


"Work out your salvation with fear and tembling"..."Examine yourself whether you are of the faith"..."endeavor with all eagerness to make your calling and election sure"...on and on and on.


The reason this unbiblical "absolute presumption of salvation" becomes so critically dangerous, particularly in the end times scenario...is because of how these satanic "false prophet" Evanglical leaders will be seducing people into accepting the "mark of the beast" in return for safe haven. Here is where the "OSAS" false doctrine springs into action-- The desperate, panic-stricken individual rationalizes to himself:


"Look...I need food for my family. I don't want to have my family torn apart and thrown into dungeons. Many prominent church leaders, including some well-known CC pastors, are telling us it's OK to cooperate...that this RFID chip insertion they're asking us to receive, isn't really the 'mark of the beast'. Hey I'm a "Christian" after all--what's the worst that could happen?"


Another apostasy-aiding dysfunction in CC culture is...the doctrine of tongues. In my view, the doctrine of tongues, particularly CC's consistently inconsistent, utterly glossed-over approach...creates a culture of mindlessness. I've begun to realize that many Evangelical churches have modeled themselves after CC in this regard:


1) Supposedly, tongues are OK and "of the Lord"...yet no real opportunity is given to practice such. 2) The subject is not really taught and, in fact, is "glossed over" when it comes up in a given text. The issue is never resolved. It remains in a permanent state of limbo. The levels of confusion among attendees are very high. Certainly, there are always those with strong opinions--yea or nay. But most folks who attend CC-style "quasi-Charismatic" churches (such as I have) remain confused and uncertain.


This whole CC approach to tongues contributes towards a dangerous notion that "we need to realize there are important matters in the Bible which no one really can understand...and we need to steer clear of divisiveness".


Of course, this is how (in my opinion) PreTrib has slid by for so long: The survival of PreTrib has had a critical dependence on fooling millions of people into rationalizing: "I couldn't explain PreTrib to save my life..but my favorite leaders and teachers have all signed off on it...so, I guess I'm a PreTribber-by-default".




As I said-- a kind of "mindlessness"...in which we are conceding the responsibility of thinking to others.


ON EDIT: Another critical aspect...is the way in which top CC leaders are CONSTANTLY consorting with top ecumenists. These ecumenists (such as BG and Rick Warren) are the leading suspects in any "false prophet" scenario. CC leaders are lending credibility to top "false prophet" suspects. The success of the Matthew 24 "apostasy plot" depends on....credibility.


To lend credibility to potential false prophets....is to play a central, critical role in the success of the Great Apostasy. And the Great Apostasy is the "end game"...the grand prize for all satanic ecumenists. And it is an "end game" clearly predicted and described by Jesus.




Thinking about what this poster wrote, it is one of the best explanations for Calvary Chapel I have found. There are good people in the pews in Calvary Chapel who want to follow God, but simply do not know how deeply they are being deceived.  I do not believe that Calvary Chapel was "infiltrated by the Vatican" as one of the recent "exposers" touts or that that the leaders are poor souls who have been fooled by closet Jesuits, but that it was rotten from the beginning. It was meant to deceive along with other organizations and false churches that been set up to mislead. 

My running theory is that the hyper Pentecostal and Charismatic movement was part of the over-all deception even from a hundred years ago. The sad thing is there are other churches, that are just as bad. Assembly of God being another example that is tied into every Dominionist, neo-con political program as well.

If one even checks into the deep ends of the Jesus Movement and who was running that show, the satanic elements are there for the reading. I agree with the part about the mindlessness, leading people to forgo careful doctrinal and biblical examination and leading by the Holy Spirit, to shut down thinking, and the deceit of the Pre-Trib Rapture which I have talked about already on here. Everything definitely seems to be leading people to be deceived for the last days. Right the evangelicals have marched blindly into the one world church. Those days are here now.

Mar 13:5    And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any [man] deceive you:

42 comments:

Anonymous said...

Just so you know, whoever you quoted about CC... CC does not teach once saved always saved. Chuck Smith says you can lose salvation. He's been teaching that for years. According to the Distinctives book, which says what CC is, if a church is teaching once saved always saved, then they're not supposed to call themselves a CC.

Chuck Smith's teaching that you can lose salvation, is the reason I left CC, but that's another story. I do know that I have eternal security from Jesus.

But to avoid digressing onto this other topic...

Yes, CC is ecumenical to the core. They always have been. Don't let the "discernment/prophecy conferences" deceive you. They have been ecumenical within one-step to catholicism, the whole time.

Sealed4Redemption said...

Although I agree with most of what you are saying here, I do take exception that CC is "credited" or "blamed" depending upon one's perception, for pre-trib eschatology. Solid Bible teachers have been gleaning this from the Word long before Chuck Smith was even born. Some of the greatest Bible teachers/scholars/expositors such as H.A. Ironside and Clarence Larkin, etc. have been teaching a pre-trib rapture long before CC began.

And to imply that Christians who are not "prepared" to meet the Anti-Christ and will give in and take the mark and lose their salvation is preposterous! Pre-trib is not a sign of apostasy just because it is being preached by many in CC. It is also the position of many Baptist churches who are sound in doctrine.

I hate to see the much-needed exposure of the deeds of darkness tainted by such rhetoric.

Anonymous said...

Galatians 4, you are absolutely and truly spot-on correct in what you say about the pretribulation rapture mania! Historian Dave MacPherson has some Google articles that are doozies that expose pretrib for what it really is. Included are "Pretrib Rapture Politics," "Pretrib Rapture Scholar Wannabes," "Pretrib Hypocrisy," "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty," "Pretrib Rapture - Hidden Facts," "Letter from Mrs. Billy Graham," and "Roots of Warlike Christian Zionism" - for starters. Now you know why he is No. 1 on the pretrib hate list! Lots of deluded folks cannot believe that so MANY tv and radio preachers could be so deceived over the rapture. But Jesus said that MANY would come in His name and would deceive MANY, didn't He? And so it has come to pass just as Jesus predicted. If pretribbers were smart, they would have been working on a small wilderness spot where they could exist in the future (a place with the minimum of wood, water, and fish - anything else is a luxury!). Anything would be preferable to a city; wait till the water, food, heat etc. in cities are cut off and everyone is going mad - but most folks are sheep and never are ready for anything out of the ordinary. Thanks for your great blog, Lord bless. Steve

Kayfabe said...

I agree wholeheartedly with this Post. Sheeple will continue to be respectors of persons and not think for themselves. As believers we need to be aware of imposters in the faith as there are many out there. These last days will be a purging of real brethren from false brethren. Here in California the passing of SB48 will be a litmus test for the 501 3 C churches to see if they are still willing to preach truth or submit to the government in regards to preaching against homosexuality. Calvary Chapel Montebello has already bowed to the government on this. Keep up the good work, your blog is a blessing to me.

Bible Believer said...

es Calvary Chapel is ecumenical to the core and always has been. Sealed4redemption, you are right, PreTrib doesn't just lie at the feet of Calvary Chapel, maybe I should have made this more clear, that came far earlier, and is in many evangelical organizations and churches. You are right this teaching came far earlier, Calvary Chapel is just one among many using it for deception. True Christians, will discern the Antichrist and refuse the mark. Deceived "Christians" who believe they are born again, really are not and who are already embracing the system of the antichrist are the ones who will give in. That said, Christian's better be "prepared",that means spiritually and otherwise for what is coming and do so via the leading of the Holy Spirit. The whole telling people, "oh you have nothing to be concerned about is what has put so many to sleep to start with". Are you honestly trying to tell me that most people in these false fallen away evangelical churches likely false converts who have accepted the hirelings and have refused God's warnings on just about everything else are not going to fall for taking the mark? Yes the majority of Baptist churches preach Pre-Trib. My good one the pastor, was "mid-trib".

Bible Believer said...

Steve, thanks for the compliments, I want to check out more of those articles, "Roots of Warlike Christian Zionism" The other day, I found acouple magazines from Zola Levitt's ministry, wow those were an example like no other. Pro-Israel this and that...why can't they see that the same world powers deceiving Americans, are deceiving the Jews in Israel as well? Those who separate from the Pre-Trib rapture teachings are so so few. Every famous one just about is signed on. There is a reason for that. Yes Jesus said MANY would deceive, and MANY would be deceived. This idea that people in false churches who have been prepping them to embrace the "world system" for decades are going to refuse the mark, is absurd. If they can't even refuse in smaller less dangerous matters, what happens when one's very life is on the line? Of course I do not see many people as truly born again in those churches. One hopes the born again ones, "come out of her" as God mandates.

I know some people are prepping, I believe one has to be careful of falling into traps with that, Jesus Christ, Himself said

uk 12:22 ¶ And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on.

Luk 12:23 The life is more than meat, and the body [is more] than raiment.

Luk 12:24 Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls?

However if God leads you to make certain preparations, then follow what He is telling you. I believe many are being led to prepare in different ways. One can see the puzzle pieces being put together and where things are going.

God bless

Sealed4Redemption said...

I don’t mean to be contentious, but Dave McPherson is a johnny-one note who has made it his life’s work to bash the Rapture, believes it is a demonic conspiracy and blames tragic events in his life on his opposition to the Rapture. His emphasis is preparing the Church for the Anti-Christ when the Bible says that the focus of the Church is to fulfill the Great Commission. Sadly, McPherson is not rightly dividing the Word.

Teaching the pre-trib Rapture, the Blessed Hope is not the issue here. This is not an exclusive CC teaching. It is the belief of many Baptist groups, Evangelical Free and other non-denominational groups who hold to dispensational theology.

My experience is different from the previous poster who said CCs do not teach eternal security of the believer. I have been exposed to a number of CCs over the years and every one of them taught eternal security.

I don’t dispute in any way any of the information presented about the darkness in CCs and in the origin and commend the bravery of those who dare to stand for truth. The facts speak for themselves, but it is disturbing to see the detours down bunny trails. That is not helpful.

Let us keep an attitude of prayer in these matters, spending much time in our prayer closets. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Ephesians 6:12

Anonymous said...

But if the same world powers are deceiving Israel, yet the Lord Jesus Himself promised the entire land of Israel only to the Jewish people, and it is theirs forever. That is why Christians are supposed to support Israel.

The fact that there are NWO tentacles in the Israeli government, doesn't change the fact that the land of Israel has forever been given to the Jewish people.

You make very good points in other issues, like the ecumenical issue. So then why fight against God on the Israel issue?

Sealed4Redemption said...

Gal 4, sorry I didn't see your remarks in answer to my first post. I have studied the various positions of eschatology over the years and always come back to pre-trib. I am most certainly not asleep, but am cognizant of the lost who need the Gospel and the responsiblity of the Church to reach them. There are so many practical and biblical reasons to defend pretrib. My experience is that considering the imminent return of our Lord is a motivation for holy living and for redeeming the time and serving Him and putting Him first. As Christians we will give an account before the Bema for the way we live our lives and there will be tears shed. But salvation is a free gift that we don't earn and we don't have the power to keep. God does not wink at sin and there are consequences. He chastens His children. There are many counterfeit "Christians" and yes, they will go through the Trib. Genuine Holy Spirit sealed believers will not. If one believes in post trib one cannot believe in eternal security of the believer. First Christ comes for His Bride, the Church, then He comes later to reign during the milleniumn. There is much confusion about this.
I don't seek to be contentious and make this a point of division, but it is often those of the preterist camp and post-tribbers who seek to attack the pre-tribbers.

God bless you!

I don't consider the Blessed Hope as an escape hatch. If one rightly divides the Word and examines it in the light of dispensational truth, one will properly understand.

Kayfabe said...

I agree wholeheartedly with this post. There are many in the Calvary system who are imposters and they make their converts twice the sons of hell. I know that my former Montebello Calvary Chapel has already fallen away with bowing down to SB48. Pancho Jaurez has shown his true colors in not preaching against homosexuality so that he can keep his precious 5013 c tax status. I thank God for this blog, may he give you strength to continue.

Bible Believer said...

Sealed4redemption, I don't make eschatological stances a salvation issue, it took me even time to depart from the Pre-Trib stance. Even now I am trying to work through all the dispensational baggage, like rejecting the idea of a *future* millennial kingdom to come. I am just an ordinary person who writes this blog, so there will be areas, that I am still studying. Pre-Trib I am pretty settled on though that has led to other areas. I know from the other side the RCC and amillenial churches have their own deceptions to sell such as claiming everything in Revelation save for the return of Jesus Christ has happened already [denying the warnings in there for today] The truth falls between the middle of many sides.

I do not know much about Dave McPherson, will have to study up, just thought the articles may be of interest. I have read those who are against PreTrib but then who sell Rome's lies, so it can be quite the convoluted puzzle.

I do think the Great Commission is important. I try to witness to who I can outside this blog, but if there are false conversions, where people have absolutely no discernment and who are joining with the one world church, what's so bad, about warning people regarding the antichrist and everything that entails? If anything there is a major watering down with the phonies, they will say preaching the gospel is important but then they have multitudes who can't discern their way out of a paper bag. They think the Pope is a fellow Christian, etc. Of course discernment comes via God, but if they have been led to false conversion and not true biblical salvation, they are as blinded as those who are still in false religions but maybe even in a more dangerous position thinking they are already Christians when THEY ARE NOT.

I know churches that teach Pre-Trib are by far the majority. Think about that, why is that? Why do all the false teachers even ones you would admit are false join together on that one thing?

I think CCs differ. I avoid the OSAS arguments, believe they are a diversion, that one is to examine themselves if they are in the faith. As for falling away, the Bible warns about those who fall away constantly. So why do we have a church, where the people are told falling away is an impossiblity? Where they led to NOT examine themselves to see if they are in the faith?

2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

There is some decent arguments as to them never having been born again in the first place.

Luk 8:13 They on the rock [are they], which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

"these have no root"

Bible Believer said...

Remember with these posts, I am talking about CC, there are many many churches following the CC position, involved with Lausanne, teaching Pre-Trib, underemphasizing examination. In fact the majority of evangelical churches, that aren't CC, are involved with the same parachurch organizations and same sort of messages Calvary Chapel is. I haven't had the room or time yet to explore other churches, though I may start studying Assembly of God soon and a few others. Just realize the warnings are applicable to the evangelical church as a whole. I do not think Calvary Chapel has the only set of hirelings and false imposters ruling the roost.

I agree about praying and for more people to "come out of her".

As for Israel, Jesus Christ said his kingdom was not of THIS WORLD, who is the true Israel? I explain more of where I am coming from in this article.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/09/i-cant-wait-for-armageddonthe.html

If you read my other articles about Christian Zionism, see the index, you will see a whole lot of closet Jesuits, Knights of Malta and other types, seem really gung-ho for it. Now why is that? The gov't of Israel is just as infiltrated as our own with the luciferians. Why should we support a secular masonic Jesus Christ rejecting government? Betrayers like Hagee, are even teaching that the Jews do not need Jesus Christ. We are to witness to the Jewish people, Jesus came from them. Satan hates them and has tried to destroy them for centuries. Even now the set up in the Middle East is more betrayal for the Jewish people and our country as well.

Think about this way, the book of Revelation, says this earth is going to be burnt up. Will the land of Israel even EXIST?

What is the TRUE ISRAEL?

Thanks for saying I make good points on other issues.

By the way, the Israel gov't is deep into deals with the Pope and ecumenical connections, as are those Christian Zionist types. Think about Glenn Beck who has helped the evangelicals and Mormons join together, doing the Christian Zionist speeches over in Israel itself.

Don't worry about me attacking pre-tribbers, I was one myself. I know on many things, some take time, some take learning and being shown via the Holy Spirit. There are a lot of phony leaders I believe using pre-trib to deceive but I know there are sincere people who believe it.

Bible Believer said...

Hi Kayfabe, yes I believe many of them are imposters, they are in many of the churches not just CC. One boundary one needs to cross to see what is going on is realizing Satan has his workers in the church pulpits, and one thing about the followers of the father of lies, is that they lie.

Yes we can see many of the churches individually falling away and joining with the ecumenical movement. It is always sad to watch. Yes there are many giving into the never preach against homosexuality pressures.

Anonymous said...

Just because the Jesuits have hijacked the Israel issue, doesn't mean that the Israel issue isn't true.

Who is the true Israel? Well Romans chapters 9 through 11 answer that. The Jewish people are Israel, and Gentiles can be grafted in by faith in Jesus (Jews still need to believe in Jesus to be saved of course).

Jesus' Kingdom is not of this world. But that doesn't mean that He hasn't given present-day Israel to the Jews. He has done so.

As for OSAS, the number of CC's that teach OSAS, are very rare. Most all of them teach that you can lose salvation, which I believe to be a very big error (I believe in OSAS).

Bible Believer said...

Jewish people who reject Jesus Christ are not true Israel.

I am glad you agree they need to believe in Jesus to be saved.

You do realize modern Judaism which has had the Talmud added is another member of Mystery Babylon via the false teachings that have been introduced. The same overlap for the rest of Mystery Babylon is there. It in no way shape or form resembles the Judaism of the OT.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:

What "Israel" is being talked about here...

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Anonymous said...

I agree that Jewish people that refuse Jesus, are unsaved. That does not change the fact that Jesus Christ is faithful to them to put them in Israel in our present time. That is what Israel is doing there, and the enemy understands that, which is why the enemy is using the inevitable of the Jews being in Israel, to its own advantage. We as Christians are to support Israel. That is not supporting the enemy. Just like, any church will have tares planted by the enemy. Just because there are tares, doesn't mean we rip the place apart.

Sealed4Redemption said...

Thank you Anonymous. The anti-semitic rhetoric that is coming out of some discernment sites today is disturbing. Israel is significant in prophecy despite the likes of Hagee, Rosenberg, LaHaye and others who misrepresent the true position of God's chosen people as presented in the Word. God will honor His covenant even tho' they have been unfaithful. They will go through a terrible time of suffering, but the time of "Jacob's Trouble" will be His timing to deal with Israel. (I will not be surprised if this comment does not make it past moderation, but worth a try.) Grace & Peace to all.

Bible Believer said...

Ok how do I explain this...the masonic illumanti types that are betraying Israel are running things in Israel too and going to betray the Jewish people too, same as American people are being betrayed.

One thing I "supported Israel" too as all the evangelical chruches told me and even my good fundie church.

But the more I looked and studied things, I realized how the NWo was playing this out, just like the two false parties betraying America, the Pope is playing the Muslims vs the unsaved Jews like a fiddle.

How many concordances are there between the Israeli gov't and the Pope?

Warn any Jewish friends NOT to move to Israel, the Middle East is going to be one big fireball.

So how come all the evangelical preachers want them to move to the place they claim via bible prophecy which will happen, will wipe them out?

Bible Believer said...

Please read this, and more at the link...

http://themurkynews.blogspot.com/2008/07/introduction-connecting-current-events_08.html

"A HUGE EVANGELICAL MISADVENTURE:
"SUPPORTING" THE NATION OF ISRAEL

This has always been something of a 'head-scratcher' for me...even more so since coming to disbelieve in the so-called "Pretribulation rapture":

Why in the world would any Bible student ever encourage anyone (Jewish or not) to move to Israel? Isn't there, first of all, a broad agreement that we are nearing the "end times"? In the moments following the Antichrist's introduction to the world, the nation of Israel is to become the site of an unprecedented holocaust.

Therefore, to the extent that it would be within my ability to do so...I would try to have as many people LEAVE that part of the world (Israel) as possible. If it were up to me the place would be one big ghost town.

And yet there are all these "Evangelical" leaders who are jampacking every available plane, train and automobile with new arrivals...supposedly in an attempt to "support Israel".

This startling notion--that members of the conservative Christian community believe they are helping God fulfill His prediction of a Promised Land...by promoting the secular state of Israel...is a tragic mistake.

I've got news for these well-meaning folks--the modern state of Israel is a globalist, blueblood Illuminati concoction...from top to bottom. And as we have previously discussed--the occultic double triangle hexagram that is the Israeli government's official symbol would seem to offer a clue.

What has been the motivation for a satanic, globalist movement in bringing about this modern-day revival of Israel? Think about it--Satan hates Jewish people. He has thus created a convenient "kill zone". He would like to see as many Jewish people as possible...in one convenient location.

If you want to be helpful and supportive of Jewish folks, tell them to get as far away as they can...from this blueblood concoction called "Israel"...and to wait patiently for the true Promised Land that is to come.

The existence of covert occultists within government ranks is the same for Israel as it is in the US. You see the same occult architecture, obelisks, memorials, symbolism, and so forth. For example, see below--the Israeli Supreme Court building:



There is an obvious pyramid incorporated into the building design (upper left corner). And the 'parking lot' in the foreground appears to be none other than a modified, double-ringed "Kabbalah wheel".

Elsewhere on the campus there is an obelisk, a Rothschild memorial park, an inverted cross, and any number of masonic features. Quite a few researchers have weighed in on the subject of this building, as well as the overall subject of occultism, Freemasonry, and globalism in Israeli government.

I had already documented a couple of high-ranking Israelis who are Masons. Benjamin Netanyahu is another semi-secret Mason, for example. Additional LINK"

*************

The masonic, Illumantis, Pope's servants basically are working the whole Israel thing, to the max, and to be frank, it's one way, they have gotten the USA to serve as police man of the world. We have been suckered basically into fighting new Papal crusades.

Why on earth would Jesus Christ who said His Kingdom was NOT OF THIS WORLD mandate that Christians support a SECULAR NATION [set up by the way, by the satanic United Nations] all the way and that it can do no wrong?

How does that make sense? I guess they are doing the same here, with the Dominionists bowing at the feet of gov't desiring Theocracy as well.

Bible Believer said...

This has nothing to do with being anti-semitic. I believe Christians are to love the Jewish people and witness to them. There is a big push for anyone who rejects the Glenn Beck-John Hagee CUFI nonsense, to claim they are anti-semitic, that is simply not true.

This is not one of those websites where they play cover up for the Vatican "blaming the Jews". Jews are to follow Jesus Christ as Their Messiah, that is another deception that the old covenant will take care of everything, that is what Hagee teaches they do not need to be born again, though I know you disagree with that.

You will see I had no problem posting your comment and responding to it.

Kayfabe said...

I got one word for Israel "Rothchilds". This demonic family is behind the current Nation of Israel as they have used the Zionists for their nefarious plans.

Kayfabe said...

The supposed "Star of David" may really be the "Star of Astoreth" and was adopted by the Bauer family now known as the Rothchilds.

Kayfabe said...

The star is actually more associated with Solomon than David as he worshipped idols brought by his many wives. Apparently there is no evidence that this Star was ever on Davids shield

Sealed4Redemption said...

BB, have you ever personally been to the land of Israel, the place of our Savior's birth, ministry and atonement? There is something special about that geographical piece of real estate and the Word makes that very clear. Even despite the commercialism and Roman Catholic presence one can sense what a special place it is.

No matter how the enemy uses men like Hagee, Beck and others to cloud the truth and confuse, Christ will return and set His feet upon the Mount of Olives once again.

We live in a fallen world surrounded by sin and false teachings as you know. One of the greatest aims of Satan is to steal the Blessed Hope amongst believers. It is not an escape hatch, but instead is a motivation for holy living and should create an urgency amongst believers to redeem the time to reach the lost. Yes, the Church has largely been compromised, but there are areas of the world, there are remnants here and there of people who are hungry for truth.

Once again, grace and peace.

Bible Believer said...

Thank you Kayfabe, yes the Rothchilds...['remember the verse about those who say they are Jews but are not--luciferians] The Rothschilds are Bankers to the Vatican.

Don't listen to those who play the blame it on the Jews game or that the Jews run it all...The Vatican is behind the scenes with this one...

"The Rothschilds are the bankers of the Vatican. The Vatican
is the headquarters of the Holy Roman Empire. The sitting
Pope is the 'Pontifex Maximus' (captain of the make believe ship) - a position 'assumed' after the last Caesar of the Roman Empire. (Sometime around 500 to 600 AD).

The primary financial agent and secular control center for the Vatican is the City of London, wherein the Rothschilds make their primary bastion of banking power.

The affairs of the Holy Roman Empire is conducted through the Temple (old Knights Templar temple confiscated after the Knights Templar were destroyed by the Inquisition) located in the City of London, which is still a Roman city with its own crown, laws and customs (See Magna Carta 1215 -Section 13)"

and from another website:

"“Early in the 19th century the Pope came to the Rothschilds to borrow money. The Rothschilds were very friendly with the Pope, causing one journalist to sarcastically say ‘Rothschild has kissed the hand of the Pope... Order has been reestablished.’ The Rothschilds in fact over time were entrusted with the bulk of the Vatican’s wealth. The Jewish Ency., vol. 2, p. 497 states, ‘It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Rothschilds that at the present time (1905) the latter are guardians of the papal treasure.’ Researcher Eustace Mullins writes that the Rothschilds took over all the financial operations of the worldwide Catholic Church in 1823. Today the large banking and financial business of the Catholic Church is an extensive system interlocked with the Rothschilds and the rest of the International Banking system.” (Top 13 Illuminati Bloodlines, p.154)"

The same international banking system now destroying the American economy.

Bible Believer said...

Kayfabe, yes the Star of David is an occult symbol,

http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Despatch/Jews02.htm

What is worrisome is Christians who have adapted it as a Christian symbol and wear it around, it is not.

There are even Christian ministries who have used it, like Zola Levitt.

The Talmudic Judaism of today influenced by and part of Mystery Babylon [the Talmud is as antichrist as the Koran denying Jesus Christ implicitly] has nothing to do with the Judaism of the OT.

The "star of david" has been used in occult traditions all over, just like that website said.

http://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/star_of_david_satanic_hexagram.jpg?w=500&h=200

Bible Believer said...

Sealed4Redemption, think back on the OT, and the multitude of times Israel fell away to worship pagan gods, idols and reject God.

Ez, 14:6 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations.

Things are even worse now, they are full in with Mystery Babylon. While there are Jewish people who have become born again in Jesus Christ trusting in Him as their messiah, the majority of Israel is trapped in false religion.

Yes Jesus Christ will return, but the man of perdition and his workers are using Israel to deceive NOW.

"In His sovereign plan, God is allowing the occult societies to create a false Messianic kingdom that will be ruled by the Antichrist prior to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ to establish His kingdom at the end of the Tribulation Period. (See: Kingdom of Christ/Theocracy 10.C) Zionism -- not to be confused with Judaism -- is a political movement conceived in the secret societies of Judeo-Freemasonry, which is using undiscerning Evangelical Christians to advance their Antichrist agenda. The House of Rothschild, which may belong to the Tribe of Dan, paid for the land and State of Israel and is at the helm of the Zionist Movement. The name Rothschild really means "Ruth's Child", indicative of Merovingian nobility and its much vaunted Davidic birthright. In the Old Testament, Ruth, the Moabite widow, married Boaz and bore Obed, who became the grandfather of David. In Merovingian lore and Freemasonry, the 'Sons of the Widow' are the descendants of Ruth."

Most of the evangelical world is now being prepped for the antichrist, in terms of the false teachings telling them to look to this world and it's kingdoms [counterfeit Israel] instead of to spiritual Israel.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Read that verse again, there is a fleshly Israel being used to deceive.

9:7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called”.
9:8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
9:9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”

Notice how Paul speaks of the children of the flesh vs. those who are the children of the promise?

Zep 3:13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make [them] afraid.

Isaiah 9:27 “Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant will be saved.
9:28 For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, because the LORD will make a short work upon the earth.”
9:29 And as Isaiah said before: “Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we would have become like Sodom, and we would have been made like Gomorrah.

Anonymous said...

Once again you're confusing the salvation issue with the land issue. Yes, the Jewish people that reject Jesus, are unsaved. But that doesn't change the promise made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them the land.

They can be given the land, and unbelieve and go to hell. That is exactly how it will be for the unbelieving Jewish people. The believing Jewish people will be given the land and also go to heaven, because they are believers.

It doesn't matter how many false teachers, masons, illuminati, jesuits, catholics, vatican representatives, and so on, jump on this issue. The land is given only to the Jewish people, period. The salvation issue is separate.

As for sending Jewish people to Israel to be slaughtered, that's not what will happen to believing Jewish people. They will be supernaturally protected by the Lord. Revelation 12 describes that. Unbelieving Jewish people will be slaughtered, but I can say the same for every unbelieving person of every people group.

Sealed4Redemption said...

BB, now I think I know where you are coming from and quite frankly it gives me the creeps. When you mentioned Merovingian lore and went down that bunny trail it brought to mind the dark conspiracy writings of Barbara Aho that are not edifying to the Body of Christ.

Yes, there are dark forces at work in the world but the Bible warns us about getting too deep into learning about them. This can and does lead to error and an unhealthy fascination with them that takes away from the simple message of the Bible. I had a dear friend who went into this area, became ensnared, fell into false teaching and is there to this day.


Yes, we are to expose the deeds of darkness as they exist in our midst as Christians. Expose the evil roots and connections of Calvary Chapel or any other group. Expose Hagee for what he is, a false teacher. Expose Glenn Beck, though a moral man, as a member of a cult and in darkness and certainly not a Christian as many in the so-called Christian community are saying. Expose away, those who are harming and misleading the sheep. Expose freemasonry so Christians will reject it. But don't fall into the deep, dark conspiratorial ditch where one is not helpful.

Of course Israel has strayed and they have a pattern of doing so. But they were the vehicle through which our Lord came to earth and they are His chosen people. Unlike Hagee believes, they will not all be saved, but there will be a remnant.

There are things that are better left alone and take away our mindset of trust in the Lord. If we are trying to arm ourselves with dark conspiracies or even facts and prepare as Christians for the Tribulation, we ard deceived.

It is more important that we get our doctrine straight and keep our eyes on Christ Jesus and that we are serving Him, living uprightly in a wicked world and preparing our HEARTS for His return.

I understand this message will not be welcome, but it has to be said. It is not intended to insult or malign, simply to speak the truth in love.

BB, you did not answer the question: Have you ever been to Israel where our Lord gave His life for us? Have you studied the Word which shows the root of the opposition to Israel and the Jewish people and those who desire their annihilation? Israel will get their commupance during the time set apart for God to deal with them.

As for Christians going through the Great Tribulation and the possiblity of losing one's salvation in a weak moment and taking the mark under torture or threat to one's loved ones, that negates the very character of God and His message of salvation. Christ is the One who grants salvation and He is the One who keeps it by His intercession. The question is if one is truly saved in the first place.

Bible Believer said...

The Merovingian lore stuff was part of a quote. Anyhow that is more lies and deceptions being used to help set up for the antichrist.

I am not a supporter of Barbara Aho, interesting site for information which you should double check elsewhere but watch out what is mixed in.

As for the CONSPIRACY, I just addressed that issue here.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2011/11/why-do-some-consider-conspiracy-to-be.html

The message to ignore what is happening and accept the mainstream media picture of everything that is happening isn't going to fly here. The BIBLE warns of DECEPTION, CONSPIRACY and warns about those who appear as angels of light. As for serving Jesus Christ, better make sure you are serving Him and not a false christ.

As for learning about dark things, why ignore deception? Yes God will show limits there. I pray before research and what I should and should not study. I have been told "no" a few times. Also, there are many out there who are loving to tell the Christian world, to stay asleep, and succeeding at it, with messages like your own.

There are false teachings all over the place and one's focus should be on God's Word and truth, even if they are exposing things. There many who expose some things but introduce new errors. Anyhow as I have said before test what I have written on this blog. Deal with what I have written and counter those things instead of getting into soliuquoys about whether or not these things should be exposed or talked about and telling people to just shove it all back under the carpet. The fact is there is massive deception coming through the secular nation of Israel where they have led most of the evangelical world to jump on the Christian Zionist bandwagon that is going to both betray them and the Jewish people they should be concerned for. The Bible warns over and over about Babylon, that is my main purpose here. And where are the fruits of salvation if you can't even discern the lies and deceptions of Babylon?

Why on earth do you consider Glenn Beck a "moral man"?

Someone who lies to Americans and the Christian community for the sake of the NWO? Who has worn Masonic marks?

Where is your discernment?

Glenn Beck has worked hard to help Americans be deceived for the globalist system.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2011/08/glenn-beck-in-israel.html

I am glad you recognize he is not a Christian, but "moral"?

Bible Believer said...

I agree the Jewish people were God's chosen people but the remnant will be those who accept Jesus Christ both Jew and Gentile. Those who are in the true ekkelsia are the true Israel.

I have never written for anyone to "arm themselves with dark conspiracies", I warn about things that are happening and scripture warns about these things too and the dark powers these people are servants to.

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

Why not prepare Christians for the Tribulation? I am not Pre-trib. I do not believe in the rapture, so why wouldn't I warn people about the Tribulation and getting spiritually ready. I am not going to argue the OSAS thing, I already gave my opinion about that and related verses, but how many now in the evangelical church are deceived even if you take timings of the Trib and debate about the Rapture out of it, following false teachers being led to unite with the one world religion and the new world order?

I am "armed" with God's Word and His protection which I thank Him Daily for.

Hbr 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

I agree about straight doctrine and serving Jesus Christ, but this also means discernment and not joining with babylon.

Bible Believer said...

Why is "being" in Israel so important?

I am an ordinary person, not a high level ministerial jet-setter with thousands of dollars to spend on international travel. Surely from other entries on this blog, you figured that out.

Anyhow, going to Israel I would guess would actually help deceive someone even more, with the over-awe and worship of "place" instead of worship of God. This is one reason, they have gotten Christians to support false temple rebuilding and false Jewish [actually not Judaism of the OT, but kabbalah mysticism] fables.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/07/part-one-deception-using-judaism-titus.html

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2011/01/those-who-want-temple-rebuilt.html

Odd that a place that is so overtaken by false religion from Talmudic Judaism to Islam is seen as a modern day Mecca of sorts for Christians. What is even stranger is there are RULES issued by the Israeli gov't AGAINST witnessing the Christian gospel. They have anti-missionary laws on the books, and this is who you want evangelical Christians allied with?

"Some media sources indicate that proselytizing is illegal in Israel (AP 24 Sept. 2007; Israel Faxx 6 May 2008). However, according to several other sources, such as Human Rights Without Frontiers (HRWF) and the International Religious Freedom Report 2007, Israeli legislation allows proselytizing as long as it is devoid of coercion in the form of economic incentives (US 14 Sept. 2007, Sec. II; Courrier international 29 Mar. 2007; AP 22 June 2008; HRWF 12 Feb. 2007) or emotional incentives (ibid.). Citing a lawyer from the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, an AP article notes that missionaries have a "'right according to freedom of religion to maintain their religious lifestyle and disseminate their beliefs, including through literature'" (AP 22 June 2008). An article that appeared in Courrier international, which names the Hebrew-language daily Yedi'ot Aharonot as its source, indicates that proselytizers who use coercion or incentives may face up to five years in prison or a fine (Courrier international 29 Mar. 2007). While conversions involving adults are legal, any person found encouraging or organizing the conversion of a minor faces up to six months' imprisonment (ibid.). In March 2007, Yakov Margi, a minister of the Knesset (MK) belonging to the Shas party, proposed a bill that would punish any missionary work with a six-month to one year period of imprisonment (ibid.; Yad L'Achim 7 Mar. 2007; ibid. 1 Apr. 2008). Further information on this bill could not be found among the sources consulted by the Research Directorate within the time constraints of this Response."

{ugh the united nations, but using for cite}

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,IRBC,,ISR,,49b92b3f13,0.html

The Vatican claims "coercion" to outlaw witnessing in other countries around the world.

Bible Believer said...

I wouldn't mind seeing where Jesus Christ walked, but Christians were warned about 'this world" and its final demise. Stop looking to a piece of land and look to the "kingdom of God" which is not of this earth. I already have spoken about the opposition to the Jewish people and how Satan has always sought to destroy them, which is happening now via the Israel deception.

What do you mean Israel will get it's comeuppance? We know that judgement is coming for all lost people who reject Jesus Christ, but watch it with Hagee's influence there. Hagee said "Hitler was fulfilling God's will for Israel". The man shows his inner hatred of Jews and service to Satan with nonsense like that. Hagee has stated that Hitler was sent to exact God's will.

This is totally sick:

"John Hagee, the controversial evangelical leader and endorser of Sen. John McCain, argued in a late 1990s sermon that the Nazis had operated on God's behalf to chase the Jews from Europe and shepherd them to Palestine. According to the Reverend, Adolph Hitler was a "hunter," sent by God, who was tasked with expediting God's will of having the Jews re-establish a state of Israel.

Going in and out of biblical verse, Hagee preached: "'And they the hunters should hunt them,' that will be the Jews. 'From every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks.' If that doesn't describe what Hitler did in the holocaust you can't see that.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/21/mccain-backer-hagee-said_n_102892.html

No Hitler was of Satan and seeking to destroy the Jewish people for the new inquisition-the Holocaust- an updated auto da de, for Rome.

Anonymous said...

Well your mind is fixed. Who can change it?

The land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people, the believing and unbelieving Jewish people.

John Hagee is a false teacher, but the replacement theology is also a false teaching.

You will believe what you want. It is your blog. But in the effort to expose the bathwater of the wrong churches, you are also going to toss the baby.

Bible Believer said...

You are too fixated on "land".

"Replacement Theology" is one of those other false terms used to deceive. Anyhow I am not a Catholic.

Romans 2:28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

What baby am I tossing out?

Oh well, we both have said our piece.

Sealed4Redemption said...

Anonymous, I agree with you and you have said it well.

BB, I said Beck is a "moral" man in the sense that he is law-abiding, a family man, clean-living, etc. He is someone who appeals to conservatives, including clueless Christians. That is all I meant. He is a lost man as are all Mormons who are for the most part well-meaning folks who think they have found the right path. That is all I meant by describing him as a "moral" man. As is Mitt Romney for example and I heard him described today as "squeaky clean" at least compared to the rest of the possible choices.

On the issue of Israel, the history of the Bible is there and if God thought it was important enough to record it, then while we are on this earth and have opportunity to travel there, it brings new meaning to the Bible to see actual places. I am of modest means, but some years ago I had an opportunity to go there very reasonably. It doesn't have to cost an arm and leg. The reason I brought it up was because being there and walking where our Savior walked and seeing Golgotha where He died and seeing the tomb in which He was laid was a very special moment.

You are obviously set in your ways and believe that Israel is of no significance in God's plan and that it is inherently evil. You have separated the Jewish people from their land which God promised to them. You believe that any Christian who considers Israel as significant is deluded. I could not disagree more.

You do not believe in the Rapture, but I rather believe that when it occurs you will go willingly. :-) You are apparently amilennial - I find it sad that these things must be mixed in with exposing of error. If you wish to belive that, great and fine, but I know too many friends who used to have the Blessed Hope and are not living in dread and fear and looking for the AntiChrist rather than looking for THE Christ.

I congratulate you that you entertain open dialog and you do so respectfully. But I hope and pray that you will come to a place where you rightly divide the Word. I hope that you will consider the works of H.A. Ironside. The enemy is robbing you of the expectation of our Lord's return for His Church.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks for explaining about Beck, I would say that is what he "appears" to be. Beck has fooled many. Not surprised to hear that about Mitt Romney, they try to sell these men protraying them as angels.

Sure Israel has history there but try and separate that from the current counterfeit secular nation this is in with the deceivers. Just because I reject Christian Zionism doesn't mean I believe God is not reaching out to people there in some fashion.

I do not support the Palestinian state which is actually part of the Pope's plans, so how am I "separating" Jewish people from their land?

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2011/09/popes-desire-for-palestinian-state_11.html

Israel will be the center of much bible prophecy, even the Christian Zionist delusions play into that. I never said it was "insignificant".


Sure if an actual Rapture that was being put forth by God, I'd go, but I am not worried about it. Read some of the posts I've written about Pre-Trib.

I am not amillenial, it doesn't fit. They deny bible prophecy. I already went down that road in the RCC. They seem to cut out the whole book of Revelation except Jesus Christ returning in the end, so don't put me in that place, as you can see I believe we are in or near the last days now, that isn't amillenial, most who are amillenial, deny bible prophecy.

Many are following after "THE COSMIC CHRIST" [antichrist] thinking they are following Jesus.
Those who have embraced the one world religion and system, definitely have been deceived. I would like to see a little more "fear" instead of so many blinded falsely blissful sleeping people. Add to that also biblical "fear" of God.

Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Jesus Christ Himself warned us of deception, and it is His Words I listened to in exposing what I do on here. He didn't want people that remained ignorant, following wolves because it was too "negative". think about that one seriously and how they deny the "hard" parts of the Bible to mislead.

Thanks for the open dialog comment. I believe in God's protection whatever happens, and that includes for the time of the Tribulation.

Hbr 13:5 [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Sealed4Redemption said...

BB, thanks for an interesting discussion. Guess we'll have to leave it here. We can certainly agree that we don't have long to wait before God's plan is fully revealed. Grace and peace to you!

Franklin Robinson said...

Just heard on Calvary radio that one of their own helped invent the rf id chip, and doing a search came upon your blog. Throwing in my 2c on post and pre trib, I think it's neither... and both spiritually.

The Rapture is an individual deliverance, depending on an individual seeking God to be born of Him and overcoming the world(1John5:4). There will be no universal Rapture except at the age end Resurrection.

--Part of attaining to Rapture though is executing the command of Christ to raise the dead(1Thes4:15)(Mat10:8)--

Until the end of days, only individuals are being Raptured who seek, and find, the fear of GodPro2:4() and do what He says and shows to transcend/overcome the physical and spiritual bonds of this present age(Gal1:4), watching and waiting for His appearing(Tit2:13) and abiding the time to a personal visitation(1Tim6:14-15).

It is both though also, pre in that many individual saints have been caught away from this age(Rev7:14), and will be until the Great Tribulation, post in that it does not happen until a saint has travailed with their flesh and wrestled with the devil themselves(Rev12:11).

It is both in one. And there will be many caught away during the 7 years as well. Post trib should not be limited as a doctrinal stance to those who are Raptured after the worldwide trib, but truly the Rapture is a deliverance that is ongoing.

Anonymous said...

The anon above has it wrong about Romans 11. The way I read it, it says that once Jews believe on Jesus Christ they will be grafted back in since they were cut off as Jesus said in Matthew "your kingdom has been taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits thereof". Paul in Galatians 6:16 calls the Galatians and thus the ekklesia "the Israel of God". Paul knew to make a distinct separation between anything earthly, and what is of God. When Paul says "all of Israel shall be saved", I believe he is speaking of the OT Israel, and the NT israel. One was an earthly kingdom, the other a spiritual kingdom. Peter gave the same name to NT believers that the OT gave to the nation of Israel, and that is "priests". I believe the 144,000 are the OT believers who were saved by faith in looking forward to the cross, and the promise from God of a coming redeemer. That added to the "great multitude" make up "all of Israel shall be saved",

Anonymous said...

Calvary Chapel was started by a gay drug addicted hippie who eventually died of aids.

Bible Believer said...

You are right, I used to post about him here.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/search?q=Lonnie+Frisbee