Thursday, October 6, 2011

C. Peter Wagner Takes Dominionism to the Airwaves on NPR

Original link retrieved from Christian Research Net who got it from Herescope

"A Leading Figure In The New Apostolic Reformation"

The Herescope article points out his backpedaling and trying to whitewash all the Dominionism but the messages are still there..

GROSS: One of the beliefs that unifies people in the New Apostolic Reformation is a belief in dominion, that God gave humans, through Adam and Eve, the responsibility of dominion. God gave man, quote, "dominion over the fish of the sea, over the foul of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." So since you see it as your responsibility of dominion, you've described - people of the New Apostolic Reformation have described this as taking dominion over the, quote, "seven mountains."

So this means taking over dominion over business, government, media, arts and entertainment, education, family and religion. How are we to interpret that? What does that mean, taking dominion over these seven areas?

WAGNER: Yeah. Well, that's a fair description of where we're coming from, Terry. In terms of taking dominion, we don't - we wouldn't want to - we use the word dominion, but we wouldn't want to say that we have dominion as if we're the owners or we're the rulers of, let's say, the arts and entertainment mountain.

What we strive to do, and our goal is to have people in the arts and entertainment mountain who are committed to the kingdom of God. So therefore, we use the adjective they're kingdom-minded believers, and we - our goal is to try to have as many kingdom-minded believers in positions of influence in the arts and entertainment mountain as possible. And the reason for that is to help bring the blessings of heaven to all those in the arts and entertainment mountain.[all emphases added]

Aside from Wagner's sudden backpedaling from the term "dominion" (HUH? he wrote an entire book titled Dominion!: How Kingdom Action Can Change the World), note that a key part of this paradigm shift is where entire nations are made into disciples. He says this is spread through the "values of the kingdom," which means somehow mandating that people (both saved and unsaved) experience a worldview and behavioral change over to "kingdom" thinking:

One odd thing Herescope too points out, is Wagner's denial of the tribulation and his elevating his present day phony "apostles" over the Word of God.

WAGNER: Okay. Now, what I think will happen is that the gospel of the kingdom will be preached to all nations, that we will begin, as Jesus said to his disciples, begin making disciples of nations. We'll see the values of the kingdom of God spreading. I think the world is going to get better and better, not worse and worse. And I think that...

GROSS: So you don't believe in the rapture and the tribulations.

WAGNER: I used to.

GROSS: But now?

WAGNER: But I don't - I don't see how it fits now into what God is showing us. That's a good question, incidentally. And so I don't - no, I don't believe in that. But what I believe is that I take very seriously, in the book of Acts, what Peter said. Peter said in a speech recorded in the book of Acts - and I've got my Bible. Let me just read that. It said: God may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before - we believe that means that God will send Jesus again - whom heaven must receive, where he is now.

And we believe that Jesus is at the right hand of God, the Father - whom heaven must receive until the times of the restoration of all things. And so what we believe is that God has sent us out to restore things to see his kingdom come, his will be done on earth, as it is in heaven. And then when that happens enough, Jesus will return, and he will return to very strong world, reflecting the kingdom of God, and not to a miserable world like much of our world is today. [all emphases added]

Herescope points out this, which makes it quite apparent NAR is yet another vehicle to prepare the world to follow the Antichrist:

Wagner's eschatology is also based on marketing's "critical mass" theory -- he believes that when they (his NAR) "restore" this "kingdom" and enforce "his will be done on earth" that then the paradigm will shift. He says "when that happens enough, Jesus will return."

This is parallel to the esoteric (New Age) idea that there will be a cosmic spiritual shift where man becomes a co-creator in his own destiny, and a co-redeemer of the planet earth. Elsewhere on this blog we have written extensively about this view. In this eschatology the return of Jesus hinges upon everyone on the planet become aligned to the kingdom shift. The NAR's impotent Jesus is stuck in heaven. He can't act until we reach a planetary "critical mass." Which also accounts for the frenetic prayer warfare activity to try to bring heaven to earth.


Labby said...

What happened to that little pesky scripture that says that in the end it will be like in the days of Noah? That means wickedness will abound.

Also, I noticed that Wagner did not say that those in the entertainment mountain, as kingdom builders, are there to bring the gospel of Jesus Christ. He said they were there to bring the blessings of heaven to ALL THOSE in the entertainment mountain. That doesn't really sound at all like the mandate Jesus gave us before he left the earth - go and make disciples of all nations...

Bible Believer said...

Hey it is like the days of Noah. Those scriptures help me understand why there so many deceivers and fakes out there. Think about this too, they mentioned that in the blog article, he never once preached any sort of gospel [does not hold it anyhow] to the unsaved people listening to NPR. They seek the power and kingdoms of this world.