Thursday, September 1, 2011

Last Day Rapture


Last Day Rapture Blog Spot...

This blog shows verses, that show that the pre-trib rapture is NOT Biblical.

Read for yourself, and tell me what you think....

27 comments:

Anonymous said...

Spot on! (On that article, as I haven't read any others.) And one should understand by this that it also eliminates mid-trib. Anon. #1

Bible Believer said...

I agree, it eliminates mid-trib as well....

Thanks...

Anonymous said...

There are post-trib articles at libertytothecaptives.net.

michelle said...

I don't see how pre-trib people ignore those verses. The pre trib position just does not match scripture at all. Some that I know even teach a "half rapture" where only the most obedient believers will be caught up while the unprepared will be left.

Bible Believer said...

Yes they just ignore them, it's sad. There are good articles too at liberty to the captives, I agree. Yeah there is the odd half rapture teachings, well Left Behind kind of forwarded that, with it's story of all the non-raptured people supposedly repenting and becoming Christians LATER after the rapture, but what is odd about that, how is anyone supposed to repent if the Holy Spirit is no longer on the earth? What a hole in that story.

Thomas said...

Thanks Bible Believer for posting the truth about the rapture! There are so many who have been deceived by American Christianity that when they hear the truth, they reject it.

Anonymous said...

I do believe in the pre-trib rapture, and I don't believe that these Scriptures are contradicting it.

Kingdom Studies said...

Luke 21:8 - And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many will come in my name saying that I am Messiah, and that the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them!

Many will claim Christ is the Messiah, and teach that His coming and rapture could happen any time now. Jesus himself said DO NOT follow them!

Jeremiah 14:14 - Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

Matthew 24:29-31
Immediately AFTER the tribulation …. they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven ….And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 -Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be REVEALED, the son of perdition

Matthew 24:15 -When ye therefore shall SEE the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet…

1 Corinthians 15:51,52
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST trump

The "mystery" is when we are all changed. When is the LAST trump?

Revelation 10:7 - But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

As the seventh trump begins to sound, the "mystery" will be finished. We will all be changed.

John 17:15 - I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

Christ warned us about those teaching a pre-trib rapture and that the deception would be strong enough to deceive the elect if they didn't know better (Matthew 24:24,25)

It's not that they're teaching a lie on purpose. They are simply deceived.
So which will it be? The teaching of men, or the teaching of Christ?

Anonymous said...

http://cicministry.org/scholarly/sch011.pdf

Bible Believer said...

Thomas Thanks, and Kingdom Studies thanks for posting those verses, there are so many that point to the true timing here, which is not a pre-trib rapture. I believe there many sincere folks who are deceived by it, it took me even time to come away from those false teachings, but with top preachers, I believe some know exactly what they are doing. There is a network of other false teachings that all rest on the Pre-trib rapture. Tim Lahaye being one of the worse offenders.

http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/tim_lahaye_false_doctrines_writings.html

Anonymous said...

Wow. That's a new one on me from the above sight: "pre-wrath"?! (Though the writer trying to refute pre-wrath is still barking up the wrong tree.) One of the most common errors is attributing the 70th week of Daniel to anything concerning eschatology.

The 70th week had to do with the 3 1/2 years of Jesus Christ's ministry, His crucifixion in the mid-week and the 3 1/2 years afterward at the end of which time it is revealed that Gentiles are included into the Kingdom of Heaven with Peter's preaching to Cornelius and company. This seven year period was the last of the preceding 69 year period, for a total of 490 years. To put some sort of "gap" between the 69th and 70th weeks is simply a monumental error which has absolutely no justification--it is of the false Darbyism. The whole purpose of the 70 weeks (490) had to do with culminating with the advent of Jesus Christ the Lamb of the I AM, and His being sacrificed in order to begin the building of His Temple which is His Body, the Congregation, by laying down it's Foundation upon Himself. But the building of the Temple--His Body--could not continue properly until it was revealed that Gentiles also were to be stones with which the Building was built. Once that was revealed by the Holy Ghost to Peter, then the end of the 70th week had finally come. Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

As for verse 27 in Dan. 9:

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The "he" is often mistaken as "the prince that shall come". However the "he" in this verse is not the "prince that shall come". It is the Messiah. It is the Messiah that confirmed "the covenant" which was the Covenant that He had made to Abraham. He confirms it by announcing the "Kingdom has come" and "repent and believe the Gospel". He fulfills it by being that Promised Lamb to be sacrificed. By having fulfilled the sacrifice for sin, He caused the sacrifice for sin and the oblation for sin to "cease". It was no longer necessary because sin was remitted for all time. But because the rebellious "overspread"--that is, continued the sacrifice for sin--He makes the "sanctuary" "desolate"--He causes the sanctuary to be destroyed, and in 70 AD it is indeed destroyed by the "prince that shall come". The Roman "prince" destroyed the Temple, making sacrifice and oblation to cease. To this day, the temple is not rebuilt. And those who teach the rebuilding of a future temple and the re-institution of the sacrifices, are teaching an abomination.

What is so very interesting is that this gives the clue as to what the "abomination of desolation" is: it is the system which re-establishes a sin sacrifice "re-presenting" priesthood, who continue the sacrifice for sin. That priesthood is Rome, but her harlot daughters are the ones who want the temple to be rebuilt in Jerusalem and to have the sin sacrificing priesthood replaced there. This is purely a Satanic doctrine, folks, which denies Jesus Christ and His Gospel. All who teach this abomination are enemies of the cross. Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

My first post of the above three had an error. It said:

by laying down it's Foundation upon Himself.

What I meant to say was "by laying down it's Foundation, building it upon Himself." Sorry!

And also, the site to which I was referring was in regard to the "pre-wrath" stuff was the other Anonymous who posted it--this one: http://cicministry.org/scholarly/sch011.pdf



Anon. #1

Bible Believer said...

Interesting stuff Anon #1, I will have to rethink those Daniel verses, that is something I need to go read and study for myself, so will get back to you on that.

26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Threescore and two weeks, the time of Jesus's ministry? The 70 weeks equal timing of his ministry too?

Interesting way to see these verses, I'm still trying test some prophecy stuff, and praying about it. The Darby stuff is so pervasive.

I considered pre-wrath, but that seems to be the compromise deal, still doesn't add up.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, I made an error in the above. I typed this:

"2) The 62 weeks of years--434 years, is from 404 until 30 AD. 30 AD is when the ministry of Jesus Christ commenced. 30 AD is also the end of the 69th week or the end of 482 years of the 490 year total."

The "482" years should say "483" years.

Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

I am so sorry, I found another error in this paragraph:

The 70 weeks is the totality of the time. The 62 weeks is within that 70 weeks. The 70 weeks are 70 Sabbath years. This totals to 490 years. The time of the total 490 years began, according to Gabriel upon the command to rebuild both the wall of Jerusalem and its city--"street" (not the Temple), and would end with the time just after the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. The command to rebuild the wall and the city went forth in 453 BC., just after Ezra arrived to Jerusalem from Babylon. The time of the end of the 453 years is 37 AD--3 1/2 years after the crucifixion.

The last sentence has the error. I should not say "the end of the 453 years is 37 AD". It should say "the end of the 490 years is 37 AD". I had the date of 453 BC in my head and typed that instead. I am so sorry! BB, if you can go in and edit the two errors, it would make things so much easier and lessen the confusion. I did check before posting, but I missed them. I'm so sorry! If you edit, then you can delete my correction posts as well. Thanks! Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

In fact, BB, I would prefer it if you just delete the posts, I will repost the original post with the corrections. That would be easier. Thanks, BB! Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

Ok. Here is my original post with all of the corrections:

I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear. I was assuming that my audience would be familiar with the 490 years. Three score and two weeks is not the time of Jesus's ministry, nor the 70 weeks. The time of Jesus's ministry was the last of the 490 years, beginning at the last 7 years of it. Let me explain.

The 70 weeks is the totality of the time. The 62 weeks is within that 70 weeks. The 70 weeks are 70 Sabbath years. A Sabbath week is a period of 7 years. 70 Sabbath weeks totals to 490 years (70 x 7). The time of the total 490 years began, according to Gabriel upon the command to rebuild both the wall of Jerusalem and its city--"street" (NOT the Temple which was already finished by that time), and would end with the time just after the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. The command to rebuild the wall and the city went forth in 454 BC. (I corrected this date because I had forgot not to add the year "0" between 1 BC and 1 AD), just after Ezra arrived to Jerusalem from Babylon (he arrived in 459 BC). The time of the end of the 490 years is 37 AD--3 1/2 years after the crucifixion.

Now within the 70 weeks of years--the 490 years--are three sets of time periods into which it is broken down:

1) the 7 weeks of Sabbaths--49 years.

2) the 62 weeks of Sabbaths--434 years.

3) the final Sabbath week--7 years.

These all total to 490 years.

1) The first set of years--the 7 weeks of Sabbaths or 49 years, was the time it took to command to build both the wall and the city of Jerusalem and to complete it. Though the command to build went forth in 454 BC (corrected to reflect that there is no year "0") after the arrival of Ezra (459 BC) and the wall was begun to be built, the letter to Artaxerxes put a stop to it. Consequently, the enemies tore down the wall and burned the gates. This is where Nehemiah steps in after hearing about it (445 BC). After he arrives (444 BC), and commenced building it, he built the wall in only 52 days! However, the city was yet to be finished being rebuilt. This took additional years, and was completed in 405 (corrected to reflect that there is no year "0")--just before the invasion of the armies hired by Haman the Agagite (around 394 BC). This concludes the first 7 Sabbath weeks of years, or 49 years of the 490 years. There are 63 Sabbath weeks of years, which is 441 years, remaining.

Post will continue below. Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

2) The 62 Sabbath weeks of years--434 years, is from 405 BC when the city Jerusalem was completed being rebuilt until 30 AD. (Corrected to reflect that there is no year "0".) 30 AD is when the ministry of Jesus Christ commenced. 30 AD is also the end of the 69th Sabbath week or the end of 483 years of the 490 year total. There now remains one final Sabbath week, or seven years.

3) 30 AD is also the beginning of the final 70th Sabbath week or the last seven years. The Messiah was crucified "mid-week" in this time period--that is 3 1/2 years into the 70th Sabbath week or in the middle of the last seven years which is 33 AD. Or as Gabriel stated it "after" 69 weeks, which means in the 70th week. The remainder of the 70th week, or seven year time period, is now 3 1/2 years. This time period is from the crucifixion of Jesus Christ in 33 AD until 37 AD when the Holy Ghost baptizes Cornelius and company, heralding the acceptance of uncircumcised Gentiles of Faith into the Kingdom. The reason for this is because the Temple which is the Body of Christ, couldn't be built up unless the "fulness of the Gentiles were come in". The "fulness" is referring to the fulness of the Body of Christ--which could not consist only of the Jewish Faithful, but would also have to be of the Gentile Faithful. Therefore, until the Holy Ghost revealed that Gentiles were also of the Kingdom, then the building up of the Temple could not commence.

Again, please forgive me for having posted with so many errors. BB, if you would simply delete the original and the correction posts, it would make things less confusing. Thank you, BB! Anon. #1

Bible Believer said...

I took two down Anon #1 did I get the right ones, well you have your correction posted too.

Anonymous said...

Yes, you took the right ones down. Thanks, BB! Anon. #1

Bible Believer said...

Glad to hear it. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

There are pretrib leaders who want to ban some web articles - including "Pretrib Rapture - Hidden Facts," "Pretrib Rapture Secrecy," "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty," "Letter from Mrs. Billy Graham" and "Pretrib Rapture Scholar Wannabes" - and if you look all these up on Google etc. you can find out why some want to ban them! Doris

Bible Believer said...

http://www.poweredbychrist.com/Pretrib_Rapture_Dishonesty.html

Thanks for the articles....

If those pretrib leaders are trying to ban people's religious opinions on the web, yeah that is bad. Sounds like they want to do damage control.

Glad there are others warning against the pre-trib rapture stuff.

Irv said...

[Hi, Galatians 4. Saw this on the web, want to share it. Lord bless.]

PRETRIB RAPTURE STEALTH !

Many evangelicals believe that Christ will "rapture" them to heaven years before the second coming and (most importantly) well BEFORE Antichrist and his "tribulation." But Acts 2:34, 35 reveal that Jesus is at the Father's right hand in heaven until He leaves to destroy His earthly foes at the second coming. And Acts 3:21 says that Jesus “must” stay in heaven with the Father "until the times of restitution of all things” which includes, says Scofield, “the restoration of the theocracy under David’s Son” which obviously can’t begin before or during Antichrist’s reign. ("The Rapture Question," by the long time No. 1 pretrib authority John Walvoord, didn't dare to even list, in its scripture index, the above verses! They were also too hot for John Darby - the so-called "father of dispensationalism" - to list in the scripture index in his "Letters"!)
Paul explains the “times and the seasons” (I Thess. 5:1) of the catching up (I Thess. 4:17) as the “day of the Lord” (5:2) which FOLLOWS the posttrib sun/moon darkening (Matt. 24:29; Acts 2:20) WHEN “sudden destruction” (5:3) of the wicked occurs! The "rest" for "all them that believe" is also tied to such destruction in II Thess. 1:6-10! (If the wicked are destroyed before or during the trib, who'd be left alive to serve the Antichrist?) Paul also ties the change-into-immortality “rapture” (I Cor. 15:52) to the end of trib “death” (15:54). (Will death be ended before or during the trib? Of course not! And vs. 54 is also tied to Isa. 25:8 which Scofield views as Israel's posttrib resurrection!) It's amazing that the Olivet Discourse contains the "great commission" for the church but not even a hint of a pretrib rapture for the church!
Many don't know that before 1830 all Christians had always viewed I Thess. 4’s “catching up” as an integral part of the final second coming to earth. In 1830 this "rapture" was stretched forward and turned into an idolized separate coming of Christ. To further strengthen their novel view, which evangelical scholars overwhelmingly rejected throughout the 1800s, pretrib teachers in the early 1900s began to stretch forward the “day of the Lord” (what Darby and Scofield never dared to do) and hook it up with their already-stretched-forward “rapture.” Many leading evangelical scholars still weren’t convinced of pretrib, so pretrib teachers then began teaching that the “falling away” of II Thess. 2:3 is really a pretrib rapture (the same as saying that the “rapture” in 2:3 must happen before the “rapture” ["gathering"] in 2:1 can happen – the height of desperation!). Google "Walvoord Melts Ice" for more on this.
Other Google articles on the 183-year-old pretrib rapture view include “X-Raying Margaret,” "Margaret Macdonald's Rapture Chart," "Pretrib Rapture's Missing Lines," "Edward Irving is Unnerving," "The Unoriginal John Darby," "Catholics Did NOT Invent the Rapture," "The Real Manuel Lacunza," “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Wily Jeffrey,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism,” “Scholars Weigh My Research,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” "Appendix F: Thou Shalt Not Steal," "Pretrib Rapture Secrecy," “Deceiving and Being Deceived,” "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty," "Famous Rapture Watchers," and "Morgan Edwards' Rapture View" – most by the author of the bestselling book “The Rapture Plot” (the most accurate and documented book on pretrib rapture history which is obtainable by calling 800.643.4645).

Anonymous said...

I don't know if anybody will see this, so far in the future, but I've been working my way back through the archives after discovering this blog. Thank you so much for it, BB, it's been such an amazing blessing to me. I hope I'm nowhere near the beginning yet!

Anonymous said...

Anyway, my main point: if anybody is in any doubt about the enemy's agenda with the modern Bible (per)versions and just how crucial it is not to be deceived about this prophecy (and how far-reaching it is if you ARE deceived), compare Daniel 9:27 in the KJV and the NIV. Careful reading of the KJV makes it clear that the covenant was confirmed by Jesus, whereas the NIV makes it apparently 'clear' that it is the Antichrist who must be the one to fulfil it, by claiming that the one making the covenant is the same one who SETS UP the abomination that causes desolation.