Saturday, September 17, 2011

Hal Lindsey, Late Great Planet Earth, the Millennial Kingdom, and the Rapture

I think he got it wrong, the 1980s are over and done with....remember what the Bible says about false prophets?

Reading Late Great Planet Earth from the public library as a precocious 9 year old got me in big trouble with my nun-teachers, one took a copy away from me in class, and another found me reading it a second time on the play ground, warning the other kids about the Antichrist and the last days. The book was rapidly taken out of my hands again, with me crying about library fines, thinking I would never get it back. One nun told my parents to keep better track of my "anti-Catholic" reading material. Odd that years later I would come to recognize Hal Lindsey as a false teacher, who emphasizes the pre-trib rapture, who has date setted making claims for 1988 and who is deceiving folks in a different way. The other day I found this comic, that Hal Lindsey put out, one can tell it's from the 70s, in dress styles language and more.

What is ironic, is my being lead read Revelation and other parts of the Bible at age 9, would lead me eventually to studying Bible prophecy even as an unbeliever. God can use even false teachers for good. Hal Lindsey as one can see on this comic on page 6 [and this occurred in many books he published wrote about "the rise of Russia as a world power, "the Arab confederation against Israel", "Red China's Ability to Field An Army of 200 Million", "The Revival of the Roman Empire In the Form of A Ten-Nation Confederacy [The Common Market]", "The Revival of The Dark Occultic Practices of Ancient Babylon", "The Unprecedented Turn to Drugs", "The Increase in Wars", "International Revolutions", "Earthquakes", "Plagues", "Famines", "Pollution", "The Departure of Many Christian Churches From The Historic Truths of Christianity", "The Move to One World Religion", "The Trend to One-World Government", "The Decline of the US As a Major World Power", "The Increase in Lawlessness" and"The Decline of the Family Unit", are all things have come to pass even more so since the 1970s when this comic and much of Hal Lindsey's books were published.

There are many correct prophecies from Revelation that Lindsey points out well to a degree, and you see them detailed in this comic. Even on this blog, many of my posts are about the growing one world religion and other prophecies coming to pass. In that way, his books even if full of errors got Christians thinking about Bible prophecy 30 plus years ago. Mainline churches take the path of the scoffer when it comes to Bible prophecy that is detailed in 2 Peter 3:3. If this doesn't describe the present day Catholic and mainline church attitude towards Bible prophecy I do not know what does.

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.

What is odd in the Catholic church is while there are some Trads and a few non-mainstream sorts who speak of the last days being soon, while they dream of a great Pope to save the day and Marian apparitions to lead the way, most of mainstream Catholic allegorizes the book of Revelation into nothingness. It becomes akin to a literary fairy tale to these Catholic scoffers, rather then the Word of God with figurative language representing real things:

The drama of the lamb contains several beautiful thoughts of lasting value. The lamb, symbolizing gentleness and purity, conquers the beast, the personification of lust and cruelty. The harlot signifies idolatry. The fornication which the rulers and the nations of the earth commit with her signifies the worship they pay to the images of Caesar and the tokens of his power. The second part is inferior in literary beauty. It contains much that is taken from the Old Testament, and it is full of extravagant imagery. The Seer shows a fanciful taste for all that is weird and grotesque. He delights in portraying locusts with hair like that of women and horses with tails like serpents. There are occasional passages revealing a sense of literary beauty. God removes the curtain of the firmament as a scribe rolls up his scrolls. The stars fall from the heavens like figs from the fig-tree shaken by the storm (6:12-14). On the whole, however the Seer shows more love for Oriental splendour than the appreciation of true beauty.


One question I used to ask Catholics when I was a new believer was IF YOU BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENS AT THE END OF THE BOOK, really happens {Jesus Christ's SECOND COMING} why do you dismiss the rest?

Without the Holy Spirit, they of course could not see the meaning of Revelation, it was a confusing book, and nothing more to them. Some of their non-saved leaders would rally around to try and explain it, but just got into more confusion with Scott Hahn, one of their popular teachers in the early 2000s, claiming that the "parousia" was the Eucharist. Why would Catholics and mainline churches worry about deception when they dismiss what is warned of in Revelation as not "true happenings"? Many of their teachers claim Revelation is nothing but a special class of literature that was in "vogue" among the first century Jews, that was adopted by Christians later but doesn't "mean" much.

But then considering the deceptions they are under, there is plenty for the evangelical world. So many take it for granted that they have entered the halls of truth regarding Revelation simply because a guy calls himself an evangelical and doesn't deny Revelation in the same way the Catholic and spiritually dead mainline churches do. Hal Lindsey has been called the modern father of Bible prophecy, and while he is lesser known today, his books were read by millions in the mid-to late 1970s. His influence was great. If you think about where modern views of Revelation came about when you think of all the teachers today, this guy heads the list. He came up around the same time as the Jesus People in fact his books, were a huge influence on the new "hippie" "Christians":

Adding to the excitement of the era was the sense that the revival was a foreshadowing of the impending apocalypse. Hal Lindsey's runaway best seller The Late Great Planet Earth hit upon a deep seated nerve in the public with his combination of biblical prophecy and news events. Lindsey based much of his writing on the premise that the re-establishment of Israel as a nation was a prominent signal that the "countdown to Armageddon" had begun. Coupled with this end times theology was a premillennial doctrine concerning the "rapture of the saints" which taught that prior to the rise of the Antichrist and final war believers would be "raptured" (or 'caught up') to escape a time of tribulation perceived as being foretold in the Book of Revelation. Jesus musician Larry Norman's haunting song "I Wish We'd All Been Ready" touched on this theme:
Two men walking up a hill
One disappears
and one's left standing still
I wish we'd all been ready

We can see the Rapture teachings have become tied to false deceptions including Christian Zionism, the lust for war always to "defend" the secular nation of Israel which is just as NWO owned and controlled as the rest of them, and how in many ways, these teachings for evangelicals have helped to serve Rome's purpose.

The Rapture is definitely serving a great purpose in deceiving many and setting them up in that Christians in America especially aren't spiritually preparing for persecution or what is coming but in thinking they will be rescued , an easy "escape" as it were. While Jesus warns of the times in Matt 24 where flight will be necessary and where tribulation will come, Lindsey and those like him deny those words telling people well the rapture will take care of it all!

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The Rapture now has served as a way to lull Christians to sleep and to remain silent in an endless face of evils. TSA and the gov't ready to take DNA and strip search you, no problem the Rapture is coming soon...., RFID chips for everyone? no problem the Rapture is coming soon to get us out of here. Endless wars in the Middle East, no problem--the president [republican or democrat] is *going to bat for Israel*, and is fighting for the "Christian" side against "Islam" [supposedly]. See how all this adds up to get Christians to cheer for all the new world order plans and the Pope's crusades? See how it deludes endless numbers of Christians to think their so called "Christian" leaders are leading everyone to *fight* on the *good* side of good vs. evil? Forgotten are these words of Jesus--

Mat 5:9 Blessed [are] the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Ever notice none of them ever pray for peace, and I'm not talking phony peace but seem to eagerly await the day of conflagration for the Middle East to turn into a glass parking lot? Before the question has been raised on this blog, how come they tell all those Jewish people to return *home* to Israel, while warning of a great nuclear Holocaust to befall the place? Something sure doesn't add up there.There is also the factor of how God is presented, Left Behind presents "Jesus" especially in their last book in a wholly blasphemous matter, reading it myself they describe it like a bloody video game. This comic has a tone of that, saying of "God": "now he is going to lower the boom"!

One teaching I have come to really question and folks can disagree with me here, as I am still thinking this one out, is the whole millennial kingdom thing. They are teaching in many evangelical churches and one can see it in this comic, that they believe "jesus" will come back and then the world will become WICKED AGAIN. Think about the "Jesus" is back on earth, "ruling" but supposedly the world rebels against him and goes nuts? Something seems off about that timing, where are the promises of no more tears? To me this millennial kingdom stuff seems a perfect set up to get Christians to embrace a Pope or other figure EASILY as being "Jesus" when it is really the "man of perdition". Some of the teachings regarding the millennial kingdom really have gotten out there, with some teaching a rebuilding of the temple which helps serves a would-be Antichrist uses and the reintroduction of animal [or other?] sacrifices.

The deception gets worse, remember what I wrote last week, about the Pope's desire for the Palestinian state and to acquire the DOME OF THE ROCK, and the Bible verses about Satan [the Antichrist] desire to rule, well Hal Lindsey and his Pre-Trib buddies, all believe "Jesus" will one day rule from the Dome of the Rock even if they say it will be given over to the Antichrist for a time, in the millennial kingdom for a 1,000 years on earth. Now ask yourself how deep the deception goes.

Hal Lindsey writes on page 280 of his book "The Final Battle":

The average Christian misunderstands this millennial period. He thinks that Christ comes back as the king and the world is a new creation--everything is perfect. This is not the case. Only after the thousand-year period, when new heavens and a new earth are created, as depicted in Revelation 21:1 will there be total perfection. The LORD will completely restore the earth to an unprecedented level of peace, but it will still be under the curse and mankind will still be mortal....

Things get weird in this book, where Lindsey denies that humankind has to prepare "God's" kingdom [I guess to separate himself from the Dominionists] but nonetheless that message show's up anyhow. As he speaks of "Jesus" coming back to rule earth....he writes..."Jesus will be here as a righteous and benevolent dictator. The world will be operating under a true theocracy--the only true benevolent dictatorship of all history". Lindsey continues to talk about the millennial kingdom on page 284 and how newly born children will reject "Jesus" even if the people who entered his supposed millennium remain righteous...It is the oddest thing, read it for yourself. I know I repeat the verse constantly, where Jesus says, "My kingdom is not of this world", but definitely those like Lindsey are having people look to this world.

This shows up in the comic too...people rejecting "jesus' with "him" right there....

Think about that one Jesus is supposedly back for 1000 years and the world becomes MORE of a wicked forsaken MESS? Detect something blasphemous about that belief? Because I sure do!

One thing I always noticed about Hal Lindsey, is I read these books as a Catholic kid, and Hal never questioned the Catholic church EVER. I read them as applying to ALL "Christians", and being a little Catholic kid, they told us we were "Christians". Notice on the comic the references to Babylon and witchcraft? So only a few Wiccans and drug addicts are going to end up going to hell? It really covers up a lot doesn't it?

NOTICE SOMETHING, WELL NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND POPE. Maybe those who speak of the Jesuits starting the Rapture teachings via Ribera are on to something. This is an issue, I need to study more. Someone needs to tell them Rome's early church fathers like Augustine were false too....but they got this part right...

The Moody Bible Institute and the Dallas Theological Seminary have strongly supported the teachings of John Nelson Darby, and this continued to fuel Futurism's growth. Then in the 1970s, Pastor Hal Lindsey, a graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary, released his blockbuster book The Late Great Planet Earth. This 177-page volume brought Futurism to the masses. The New York Times labeled it "The number one best-seller of the decade." Over 30 million copies have been sold, and it has been translated into over 30 languages. Through The Late Great Planet Earth, the child of Jesuit Futurism became a man.

Notice how "Babylon" is watered down, Lindsey never points to the Catholic church in any of his books, or even the true meaning of Mystery Babylon but keeps it as vague as possible with the most overt examples mentioned..."spiritual adultery" is never defined. This applies to his books as well, not just this comic.

Examining and thinking about the fact that just about every false teacher teaches a pre-trib Rapture, that tells you, there is something to it, related to over-all deception. I posted about that here, already: "Leaving The Pre-Trib Position Behind" Have you noticed that Pre-Trib and False teacher seems to go hand in hand? While there are those with other eschatological views who are phony, notice how predominant the Pre-Trib Rapture view is among all the false teachers out there.

When one examines the Hal Lindsey of today, He seems to be working for the same agenda....focusing on "Islam" as the main enemy and while Islam is a false religion with some violent jihadists, it is the typical neo-con promotion with addition of typical Christian Zionist messages. Israel is about to be betrayed by all these folks who cry for more war, and help the Pope out. None of them are peacemakers but support the war mongers.

He ups the ante all the time on the Israel vs. Islam theme constantly. They seem to eagerly await and desire WWIII. It is a given that Lindsey [as well as Chuck Smith who supported the war on Iraq and the rest of them] supported the present day "war on terror", the same "war on terror" that has been used to dismantle American freedoms and embroil our country in endless overseas wars, destruction and death for multiple places. Even here on his front page, he speaks of the "modern war on terror" and implies it as a "just cause".

I saw the man myself on TBN just like Hagee telling Americans that we should go to war with Iran some years ago on his then oddly named show *International Intelligence Briefing* before he left TBN over a dispute about Islam. That's actually the day I stopped watching when it became obvious that Lindsey supported every neo-con endeavor. Look at his website for yourself, no warnings about the Pope, NOTHING. Here Lindsey confuses with some Catholic prophecies but states "John Paul II was a great and good man." It has been reported online that Hal Lindsey sent his daughters to a Jesuit college. One certainly does not see the man or his friends ever warn of the Pope. Don't forget in LaHaye's Left Behind series, the Pope gets raptured. Lindsey speaks of a political man who is religious, but never points to the Pope at all even as a would-be false prophet when speaking about the Antichrist. All of the false teachers point to the nebulous ultra-powerful world leader while never mentioning the Pope except in laudatory terms....

Hal Lindsey has had other dubious associations and contacts. Some are exposed here:

Coalition For Religious Freedom (CRF)
Another past Moon organization was the 'Coalition for Religious Freedom' where again, Tim LaHaye held a paid position as Chairman. It was formed by LaHaye after Moon was arrested for tax evasion. Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Swaggart, James Robison, James Kennedy and Rex Humbard, have all served as executive committee members. Other notables to serve in Moons CRF include Hal Lindsey (Author of "The Late Great Planet Earth"), Paul Crouch (Head of the Trinity Broadcasting Network), Dr. D. James Kennedy and Don Wildman to name a few.

CRF President Don Sills admits that CRF has received no less than $500,000 from Moon sources. In 1984, despite forces in government opposing the move, Moon was jailed for tax evasion (sentenced to 18 Months in prison and fined $25,000). In a CRF sponsored rally Tim Lahaye asked that people go to jail with Moon in protest.

The book "Spiritual Warfare: The politics of the religious right" also exposes the same problem.

On this video with Chuck Smith, he praises Missler and LaHaye: They know how to try and seduce people with their false teachings. If you are a Christian reading this, do take the time, to read the Bible and compare what it says to what these Pre-Trib teachers say, analyze their constant beating the war drums, their support of the new world order "war on terror" and how they have been used to even herd most of the evangelical church into supporting false politicians, agendas and more. Realize these false prophecy teachings have influenced much of the evangelical church to turn against God's Word and what Jesus taught. Do not take their word for granted about the "end times"!

Even now I am making sure I read God's Word first and testing what I have learned about bible prophecy, do the same, do not take what any bible prophecy teacher says for granted. The majority of evangelical Christians are caught up into their web.


Anonymous said...

Great article, BB! That site was excellent too, but I don't agree to apply the "Peter principle" upon these false teachers. Peter repented! They haven't. They are covering for the Antichrist/bishop of Rome. It is Rome that separated that 70 week from the other 69, it is Rome that invented a future only Antichrist, it is Antichrist's doctrine and evangelicals and many fundamentalists have taken it hook, line, and sinker. Did you notice how he said on that site how Luther was too weak to battle Rome until his eyes were opened that Rome was the seat of the Antichrist? Exactly! This is why we have so many lukewarm, pukey evangelicals who just don't know where the line is drawn. Not knowing who the Antichrist is does indeed make for a weak and beggarly Christianity, which is just the way the Dragon inhabiting that Man of Sin wants it. And not only are they puny weaklings, but they are furthering his cause. As I have said to you many times, they are working for Satan even if they don't know it. What is also disgraceful is the fact that so many people were slain who refused to take the number of that beast, and these whitewashers are trampling on their blood by taking up the cause of the Antichrist. Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

How many times has Hal Lindsay been married? I remember he had a sister-in-law-Johannah Michaelson. She wrote, The Beautiful Side of Evil. Then I heard he was no longer married to her sister. I don't think she was his first wife. I heard he remarried after her. I wonder how many children he has from these marriages.

Bible Believer said...

Anon #1, yeah I do not agree with everything at that site, definitely the Peter principle does not apply, when have we seen one of these "connected" reprobates repent? It is very very rare. Even then be careful in trusting any of them. Yes the majority are covering for the Antichrist of Rome. Who else would be pleased to see them all helping to advance his wars, his future temple and more. He has his masonic, templar, knight foot soldiers all over the place. They know the subtleties of even deep deception, some will even pretend to expose Rome, with websites that are covered in occult markers!!! They play endless games and know how to deceive.

With Luther, glad he figured it out, but the majority of those who follow him as namesake, now love Rome and the Pope [maybe not WELS] In lukewarm evangelical land, the Pope is a "great moral leader" [well that's what Franklin Graham said], they have gone from toleration to accepting the man. I think there are those lower level ones who do not know who they are working for, but many of the higher level ones are closet Luciferians. If they are known names the chances of them being knowing Luciferians is far higher. They are betrayers to the martyrs saints of Jesus Christ over the centuries.

Bible Believer said...

That book "The Beautiful Side of Evil" troubled me, it is a false book, not upset at you mentioning but if she was Lindsey's sister-in-law, that tells me a lot. Early discernment told me that book was bad, and I didn't even read it, though I think it still sits on my shelf unless I threw it away already or kept it for "research". I believe Lindsey has been married 4 times and is still married to the fourth wife, that disqualifies him from being a religious leader alone.

Labby said...

"another found me reading it a second time on the play ground, warning the other kids about the Antichrist and the last days. ... One nun told my parents to keep better track of my "anti-Catholic" reading material."

For anyone that loves and appreciates you, this is quite funny. Even at 9 years old, you had your calling!! Thanks for sharing that!

Also, I wanted to mention that this stuff is what I grew up with. Hal Lindsay and all the other early deceptions that seemed to come out of the 60s and 70s. I've seen all of it because I was raised by Christian parents who were always on the "cutting edge" of Christianity fads. I even remember those exact cartoon pictures! Memories...

Labby said...

I do want to mention Revelation and the people still rebelling even during or after the 1,000 year reign.

When I read Revelation 20: 7-10 I do get the impression that when Jesus reigns with the saints for the 1,000 years, then at the end of that period Satan will be allowed to attempt to deceive the nations and be loosed from his prison, and that the final battle will be waged then and Satan will be permanently gone at that point.

Revelation 20:7-10

King James Version (KJV)

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Bible Believer said...

LOL Labby, yeah at 9, I was talking about things that are on this blog. I was by then sneaking the big family Catholic "never touched" Bible off the shelf [we weren't supposed to touch it, it was big and white with a leather cover and fancy Medieval painting on the front] to read it. Even if I had years of confusion from the RCC and UU, I believe God fetched me right out of the UU, so yeah it is kind of funny thinking back to those days, and me telling my little Catholic school friends, about the Antichrist and Bible prophecy and I definitely REMEMBER thinking Revelation 17 [we had Catholic Bibles in some of our classrooms] definitely sounds like the RCC....but never voiced that one, you know thinking of the gold cup at Mass, and purple/scarlet outfits. My parents did dissuade me from reading more evangelical books and my mother's best friend who was a nun, and who I then was very attached too, told me not to believe in bible prophecy, yes I know ironic now. I saw more of Lindseys books at the library as I grew older but by then was reading more and that included many books, with anti-Christian viewpoints. Yeah I am sure that comic would bring back memories to many.

Bible Believer said...

I do want to mention Revelation and the people still rebelling even during or after the 1,000 year reign.
Aren't the nations being deceived NOW? That is what I get when I read Rev 20. I do not see how they could be anymore deceived then today, well we know that will get worse when everyone lines up for the mark. I also do not believe Satan is imprisoned now, Satan is running the earth pretty freely now, with plenty of servants doing his bidding. The only "controls" over Satan now is via Jesus Christ: Christian believers who have the protection of the Holy Spirit and rebuke the devil's demons in Jesus's name.

Labby said...

My impression from reading through Revelation is that Satan is indeed working his evil now, but when Jesus returns to rule with the saints for the 1,000 year reign, Satan will be bound in the pit - in that order. Because Jesus has not returned yet, Satan is still roaming seeking to devour and deceive currently.

Then after the 1,000 year reign, Satan is released and allowed to deceive again, and it does sound like people again fall for it. The Bible only spends a few verses on it, so it makes it sound like it could be brief before Satan meets in final destination in the lake of fire.

I was sort of hoping it would all be over when Jesus returns again, but when I re-read Revelation lately, I don't quite come to that understanding. reference the above scripture from my earlier post

I'm open to hearing other understandings of it because I was sort of hoping I read and understood it wrong.

Anonymous said...

I do believe in the rapture. Pre-trib. Just because catholicism pretends to have "invented" it, doesn't mean they did. Catholicism claims to have "invented" the Bible! But we all know they didn't.

I know nothing about Lindsey. Came before my time. Wasn't the first to teach about the rapture in the last couple of generations, and won't be the last.

His refusal to expose catholicism as false, is a sign that he's off the track.

Anonymous said...

The problem that people come up against is interpreting that chapter where the Dragon is bound as if it follows the previous chapter. The chapter with the Dragon is not chronological to the chapter before it.

The Dragon was bound when the Gospel came to earth. It was the Gospel that bound him. We see this in chapter 12 of the Rev. when Jesus is described as ascending to Heaven then the Dragon being cast out of Heaven and sent down to earth--the realm over which he still holds sway. From what was the Dragon bound? He was bound from being the accuser of the Saints any longer because sin was remitted. Christ's own work on the cross did that.

But then what occurred? The Great Falling Away occurred, and following that the Antichrist, the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition. What does it mean to "fall away"? It means to fall from Grace--from the Gospel. To what did those who fell from Grace fall? They fell from the truth that Christ remitted sin, and they re-established a sin sacrifice presenting priesthood once again. This priesthood began to teach--by re-presenting the sacrifice for sin--that sin was not yet fully remitted. Now, again, why was Satan bound? He was bound because he could no longer be the accuser since sin was remitted. But when the apostates re-established presenting the sacrifice for sin, then this gave the foothold for Satan to once again accuse--not those who didn't fall away, but those who fell away. By refusing to accept the Gospel that sin is remitted, by accepting another "gospel" that says sin is still being remitted and that Christ is a "perpetual victim" for sin, this was the signal of releasing the Dragon.

When the Dragon was released, he inhabited the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition (just as he had Judas), and the Antichrist was come. The Antichrist was revealed by his war against the Saints, who refused or turned away from his lying "gospel". When he began to do this, those Saints knew the Antichrist had come. When Christ returns is when the Antichrist shall be destroyed by fire.

By people believing that the Dragon being bound and released is a future event, this is where they miss the mark. This kind of thinking was started by the Jesuit false doctrines of futurism, and is one of the most deceiving doctrines with which we now contend today. Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

I thought Johanna Michaelson's book was strange. My mentioning the book was not a recommendation.

Anonymous said...

I just googled "Johanna Michaelson sister-in-law of Hal Lindsey" to confirm what I said about her being his sister-in-law. I found a quote from another book of hers where she warns against yoga. I agree with that.

Bible Believer said...

I am leaning more towards there not being a millennial kingdom, or it's happening "now" but this is something I am praying about and PRESENTLY examining. I just do not see Jesus returning and THEN Satan being released. I also am seeing the role, that a millennium to come, is playing in false teachings, but will turn to God's Word in studying and praying about this one. It seems odd to me that Jesus would return, and the world would go crazy....makes no sense. Perhaps Ill do an article on this, even to explore these things.

Yes there is a lot of deceptions out there. I certainly do not take Rome's word for anything. With the Rapture, there does seem to be Bible verses that show there is not going to be a pretrib rapture, who does the antichrist make into martyrs, if every "Christian" is gone.

Yeah Lindsey is false...definitely, even for never stating anything about Catholicism.

Anon #1 thanks for your explanation of things, I am examining these things does seem to explain the "bound" part and how the "falling away" plays into this.

Other Anon I did not take that as a reccommendation for her book, that's OK.
The book was indeed very strange. Yeah I am against yoga too.

Anonymous said...

Rose, Jan, Kim, JoLynn - four women in Hal's life & he is reportedly still married to JoLynn and still has those three living ex-wives. BTW, Hal is a plagiarist as well as a failed date-setter. Google "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty" for proof of a lot of evangelical plagiarism (there are laws against this form of stealing) including Hal's. In fact, the entire pretrib rapture view is a huge hoax and pretrib was never a part of any official Christian theology before 1830 (Google "Famous Rapture Watchers" for proof). Also Google "Pretrib Rapture - Hidden Facts."
Samantha (PS - Hal is also sloppy and unreliable. Example: In "The Late Great Planet Earth" in his "Revival of Mystery Babylon" chapter, on p. 124 in my copy, he states that the famous Egyptian sphinx has the head of a "woman" even though encyclopedias say it has the head of King Khafre, one of the Egyptian kings during the 4th dynasty!)

Bible Believer said...

Thanks for sharing Anonymous, I have seen some websites which have discussed the charges of plagerism. Yes he has had the failed date-setting, definitely...It is true Pre-Trib was something that grew big far later.

Sealed4Redemption said...

BB decided to look into what is behind your denial of the Rapture. Same old tired arguments making scapegoats out of Darby and Scofield. In another post you said you were not amillenial, but in September you said, "I am leaning more towards there not being a millennial kingdom....."

I had to respond to what you said about Johanna Michaelson. I have personally met Johanna and spent time with her. I have raad her book and heard her testimony that I consider credible. She is a beautiful Christian woman who was delivered out of the occult. She has nothing to do with Hal Lindsey and her sister's marriage. To the best of my knowledge she is not close to Lindsey and the situation with him and her sister. The comments made about her here are unfair and border on gossip.

Bible Believer said...

I asked myself where did I mention her? and read through the article, someone else did in the comments. I read that book for MYSELF and found it utmostly disturbing even being a new Christian.

It has been years since I read the book, but discernment told me it was wrong. There are many false messages in it. Some of it is subtle and some not so subtle. Here is one...[go see my blog entry about the Horus eyes]

page 64.

"I felt suddenly as the Eye of God, stern and awful broke through the clouds"

Notice she said EYE and not EYES.

Google "EYE OF GOD" and occult and see what you get.

That is a stated opinion and seems you have another opinion of her. As for Johanna Michaelson, I see her name all over, though I never have mentioned her much on the blog, listed as a participant with false teachers and seminars all over.

Not close to Hal Lindsey?

Then how come she has done seminars/lectures with him? [Well at least at one time]

"The Seduction of Christianity-Dave Hunt, Johanna Michaelson, Hal Lindsey lecture on prophecy and the New Age movement inside the Church. Johanna's testimony of being delivered. There are two tapes available, one on the highlights 1 hr. long, another over 2 hours long."

".Later that week my friends invited us to a seminar that was going to be about the New Age Movement with speakers Dave Hunt, Johanna Michaelson and Hal Lindsey."

Her book "The Beautiful Side of Evil" even has a foreword written by Hal Lindsey. See picture here

I think Lindsey is married to the fourth wife, now and her sister was the third.

Anonymous said...

[Hi Galatians 4. Saw this on the net. Any reaction? Joanne]

Catholics Did NOT Invent the Rapture !

Many assert that the "rapture" promoted by evangelicals was first taught, at least seminally, by a Jesuit Catholic priest named Francisco Ribera in his 16th century commentary on the book of Revelation.
To see what is claimed, Google "Francisco Ribera taught a rapture 45 days before the end of Antichrist's future reign."
After seeing this claim repeated endlessly on the internet without even one sentence from Ribera offered as proof, one widely known church historian decided to go over every page in Ribera's 640-page work published in Latin in 1593.
After laboriously searching for the Latin equivalent of "45 days" ("quadraginta quinque dies"), "rapture" ("raptu," "raptio," "rapiemur," etc.) and other related expressions, the same scholar revealed that he found absolutely nothing in Ribera's commentary to support the oft-repeated claim that Ribera taught a prior (45-day) rapture! (Since the same scholar plans to publish his complete findings, I am not at liberty to disclose his name.)
Are you curious about the real beginnings of this evangelical belief (a.k.a. the "pre-tribulation rapture") merchandised by Darby, Scofield, Lindsey, Falwell, LaHaye, Ice, Van Impe, Hagee and many others?
Google "The Unoriginal John Darby," "Pretrib Rapture Diehards," "X-Raying Margaret," "Edward Irving is Unnerving," "Walvoord Melts Ice," "Thomas Ice (Bloopers)," "Wily Jeffrey," "Deceiving and Being Deceived" by D.M., "The Real Manuel Lacunza," "Roots of Warlike Christian Zionism," "Pretrib Rapture Politics," "Pretrib Hypocrisy," "Famous Rapture Watchers," and "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty" - most of these by the author of the 300-page nonfiction book "The Rapture Plot," the highly endorsed and most accurate documentation on the long hidden historical facts of the 182-year-old pre-tribulation rapture theory imported from Britain during the late 19th century.

Anonymous said...

You say that you are leaning toward there being no millenial kingdom, or we are living it now. I would ask how you get around this: "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." Rev. 20:4
You want to stick to the Word, right? You expect that of the ideal church you are still looking for, you even get turned off by there being too many ushers standing around. Yet when something is clearly stated in the Scriptures, you just aren't sure if you want to believe it?? You didn't even back up why you don't believe it other than saying it all sounds so strange. A lot of things might not make sense to us now. But we just have to get over it. It is strange to be swallowed by a whale and spit out 3 days later (I certainly have never heard of it happening since,) that doesn't mean we shouldn't believe it. We can't pick and choose.

Anonymous said...

Bible Believer - I am grateful for all of the hard work you put into this pre-trib rapture section because I also do not subscribe to pre-trib rapture and it has helped me to read everything you recorded.

I also like what Anon#1 wrote in the one post section that starts with "The problem that people come up against is interpreting that chapter where the Dragon is bound as if it follows the previous chapter. The chapter with the Dragon is not chronological to the chapter before it." I agree exactly with what she said and she's worded it so succinctly that I have copied it for future use.

As far as the book The Beautiful Side of Evil, I have never read the book but I can tell you that I have read two books by men who have come out of the occult who said that God led them to her book as some of the information in it really convinced them that their answer was in Christ. One book that praises her book for being in the occult book store where he shopped at the right time to help him and his wife come out of the New Age was written by Warren B. Smith and it's entitled The Light That Was Dark, From the New Age to Amazing Grace. It's sold at Lighthouse Trails publishing and it's a story of his testimony. At the point where he finds Johanna Michaelson's book in that occult book store he and his wife were searching for answers desperately because they were being attacked by a warlock via astral projection at night and when they bought Johanna's book, somewhere in there she talks about calling on the name of Jesus for protection from demons and witch powers etc. Warren and his wife began to do that even though they weren't Christians yet and when they saw that there was power in the name of Jesus they were convinced to come out of the Course in Miracles group they were in and become born-again Christians.

I believe the other person who mentions her book being helpful to him was William Schnoebelen who also had to come out of many layers of the occult to become a Christian. So without reading her book, I do think she possibly was someone who was on her way to becoming a Christian and wrote about that and God has been able to use her book to help those also deeply confused but searching for a way to get out of the occult.

Anyway, thanks again for all of the information on this subject because it gets hard being in the minority on end-time prophecy issues.


Ruth said...

Five years ago, I started a course of study for the purpose of learning whether the rapture was going to be pretrib, mid-trib, prewrath, or posttrib. Long story short, after many detours down blind alleys (spent listening to the likes of Chuck Missler, Jacob Prasch, Arnold Fruchtenbaum, David Hocking, and the prophecy updates of J.D. Faraq and John Holler), the Good Lord graciously showed me the truth. After 40 years of being an avid dispensationalist, I no longer believe the lies. I am very grateful to have had my understanding opened. Currently I am busy deprogramming from the false system I believed. Reading the Bible gives me so much joy now. If you (blogger) would like to discuss this matter, feel free to email me. If you do, let me know in a follow-up comment because I rarely use email.