Saturday, August 20, 2011

The Seventh Day Adventist Church: Another Daughter of Rome

Turns out the Seventh Day Adventist Church is one of the fastest growing denominations out there.

"Adventists' back-to-basics faith is fastest growing U.S. church"

While I believe there are some well meaning and good people in the Seventh Day Adventist movement, and Bible prophecy books from SDA teachers, can be of historical and other interest to read, I got Uriah Heep on my shelf from 100 years ago [read with caution like you would any book from any false religionist], it is another false church and false "religion', and yes another "daughter".

The Seventh Day Adventist church does hold many false teachings. One of the worse is baptismal regeneration where baptism "saves" you among a wide array of false teachings. In fact one of the worse things to me about SDA, is the pseudo-'sacrament" and "church" based "salvation" that is so promoted, where instead of a relationship with Jesus Christ being first and foremost, they push rules, rituals and the "church" as being the center of salvation. Who else does that sound like?

To help us understand how God can transform us into His children, Jesus modeled the process of baptism for us. Baptism symbolized dying to self and coming alive in Jesus. Seventh-day Adventists practice full immersion baptism because by being fully buried beneath the water we symbolize that God's grace fully fills us with His new life for the future. Through baptism we are truly born again in Jesus

What troubles me is I have seen some people view this church as like a fundamentalist church and in some ways they appear to be so, with a strong interest in bible prophecy, close knit congregations and in some churches very caring people, but sadly their legalism can be as damaging as Rome's. I've met people who have encountered this legalism full force. In two towns, I've lived in they have made sent out very colorful brochures like this one, speaking of Bible prophecy, this can be a very good way, to draw people in the community who take such an interest in things.

Especially with all the dead evangelical churches out there that never touch prophecy with a ten-foot pole, you can see how this definitely would draw some folks in the door...

There was a few times, I had to inform nominal Christians, that church teaches false things! I even had other Christian "fundamentalist" friends attend SDA churches due to proximity and thinking this was another typical but very conservative Christian church who I ended up having to warn. One listened, another was not very happy with me.

It's not a "normal" Christian church, it has a Jezebel in the mix and her name was Ellen White:

Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

By the way I've read many of her books before, this was when I was still in the Catholic church, and was reading a variety of evangelical materials this included her book "The Great Controversy" which you can take a look at here. The book seems to be a huge mix of extreme Bible prophecy but sadly with lots of subtle deception and not so subtle. One can tell how many Adventists ended up with that problem with date-setting. While some SDA people claim that Ellen White's writings are not equal to scripture and thusly do not break the commandment not to add to God's Word, definitely they are held with an elevated status within the SDA church. She IS seen as a Prophetess.

Here the SDA church website writes this about Ellen White:

We, the delegates to the 2010 General Conference Session in Atlanta, Georgia, acknowledge with gratitude the continuing contribution to the Seventh-day Adventist Church found in the writings and ministry of Ellen G White. We are witnesses to how the Church has been blessed and guided by God through the inspired counsel of His messenger. Her counsels exalt the Bible as the Word of God, lift up Jesus as Creator and Redeemer of the world, and encourage a life of service and sacrifice. Her ministry has directly aided in the preservation of unity in the Church and its expanding global outreach.

The gift of prophecy, like the other spiritual gifts, is to bring about unity, equip God's people for the work of ministry, build up the body of Christ, protect it from being deceived by false doctrine, and foster individual and collective spiritual growth (Ephesians 4:11-15). We recognize in Ellen G White the gift of prophecy, and affirm that as this gift is valued and its instruction heeded, the Church prospers.

Then there is the issue of the sabbath. I believe Saturday actually IS the more accurate day for the Jewish sabbath, but while sabbath keeping was important under the time of the law in the OT for the Jews, the New Testament says differently...

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:

I have even read SDA websites and materials, that claim going to church on Sunday, is the "mark of the beast" and suppose that would fall under "judgement". Here we end up with legalism married to Old Testament sabbath keeping.

There are many more false teachings then this, but realize many of the foundations of SDA rest on "law-keeping" even to their many very strongly suggested dietary restrictions which includes vegetarianism. Odd that, given Jesus Himself ate meat and would have eaten lamb even as part of the Passover supper in Luke 22.

A couple years I went and found out, something else about the SDA I found very interesting. I believe all cults are Rome bound, and Rome derived as we are warned of in the Bible, "mother of all abominations" all the way back to Mystery Babylon. One formula that has never failed is researching the links to Rome and thus to the United Nations and one world church, when it comes to cults. The thing about SDA that is so interesting is how they try to pull the wool over their member's eyes so deliberately. Realize I am talking about the main SDA church, they do have their off-shoot/dissenter churches [their own version of Trads] as well. They tell the people in the pews, the UN is the Beast, in many a church publication and even one of their more popular speakers warns about the UN [Veith is said to disagree with the ecumenism] but then behind the scenes maintain UN involvement.

See here too:

"A Statement on Religious Freedom

For more than a century Seventh-day Adventists have been active promoters of religious freedom. We recognize the need to champion freedom of conscience and religion as a fundamental human right, in harmony with the instruments of the United Nations."

This goes for Rome directly too by the way, I have seen SDA magazines for myself, that warn about the Marian apparitions being of the devil, but then finding out the role the main SDA church had with Rome was interesting, it centered around a man named Dr. Bert Beach who has been VERY involved with the Vatican, and even visited with the last Pope as exposed here, on a dissenting EX-SDA website.

Beach was even part of the Vatican II Council...

Dr. Bert Beach got his Assisi invite too, in 2002: [From "List Of Those Attending Assisi Peace Conference VATICAN, Jan 17, 02 (]

"The Orthodox churches of the world will send 11 patriarchs to Assisi, led by the Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople. But no representative of the Moscow patriarchate is expected. About 50 Islamic leaders will attend, coming from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Egypt, Iran, the Philippines, and Jordan. And Jewish rabbis will come from Jerusalem, France, and the United States-- along with Elio Toaff, the former chief rabbi of Rome. Protestant bodies will be represented by Konrad Kaiser, the secretary-general of the World council of Churches; Anglican Bishop Richard Garrard of Rome; Setri Nyomi of the World Alliance of Reformed Churches; George Freeman of the World Methodist Council; Cecil Robeck of the Pentecostal church; Alvin Jackson of the Disciples of Christ; Theodor Angelou of the European Baptist Federation; and Bert Beach of the Seventh-Day Adventists."

Obviously this man had high standing in the SDA church for many years:

"World Church: Book of Essays, Dinner, Honor Retiring Church Statesman

June 21, 2005 Silver Spring, Maryland, United States .... [ANN Staff]

Paying tribute to decades of interfaith effort, friends and leaders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and others gathered at the church's world headquarters June 16 to honor Dr. Bert B. Beach, director of inter-church relations for the movement.

"Building Bridges of Faith and Freedom," a Festschrift, or celebratory publication, honoring Dr. Beach was released at the dinner. It is believed to be the first such tribute published by a world church department.

The book features essays on religious freedom and Dr. Beach's work in that area. Contributors include president of the United Nations' Human Rights Committee, Abdelfattah Amor; Cardinal Walter Kasper, president of the Vatican Council for the Promotion of Christian Unity; Rosa Maria Martinez de Codes, former vice director for religious affairs in Spain's Justice Ministry, and Rev. Sven Oppegaard, Assistant General Secretary for Ecumenical Affairs of the Lutheran World Federation, among others.

"I've had a wonderful life," Dr. Beach, who will end his five decades of service to the world church this year, said in response to tributes from Pastor Jan Paulsen, world president of the Adventist Church, Dr. Denton Lotz, general secretary of the Baptist World Alliance, and others.

"Bert B. Beach made a difference in the history of his church," Pastor Paulsen wrote in the book. "He pioneered interchurch relations. He helped his church to look beyond its own borders to the brother, the neighbor, the stranger who was also created by God."

Beach, who began his church career as an educator, rose to the position of executive secretary of the Adventist church's Western European and West African regions, before embarking on a 15-year career as director of public affairs and religious liberty and, recently, director of inter-church relations. Under his aegis, the Adventist Church has held high-level consultations with the Lutheran World Federation, The Salvation Army and other communities. He was, for 32 years, secretary of the Conference of Secretaries of the Christian World Communions, an interfaith body uniting 2 billion Christians around the globe.

"If today most of the Christian leaders recognized us as a Christian Church, it is the result of [Beach's] persistent and outstanding relations with other Christian leaders," added Dr. John Graz, public affairs and religious liberty director for the world church.

Beach's writings are mentioned in this lukewarm statement regarding ecumenism from the official [mainstream] SDA church.

The SDA in their magazine Liberty, if you ever see a copy, check it out, it constantly beats on the "religious freedom" drum but that is a term used by Rome as can see how their events become an opportunity for far more ecumenism and very highbrow elite meetings. Could I be far off the mark, to see the SDA as just another typical new world order involved church?

The evening's 200-plus guests included members of the diplomatic community; the U.S. State Department; three members of Congress (Reps. Roscoe Bartlett [Maryland], Charles Rangel [New York], and Sheila Jackson-Lee [Texas], nongovernmental organizations; and religious leaders from a variety of faith communities.
During his welcome Elder Ted N. C. Wilson, president of the Seventh-day Adventist world church, reminded guests that religious liberty is part of the "DNA of the Adventist Church." He reaffirmed the church's longstanding commitment to promote such freedom for all people, no matter their faith tradition.

Three advocates of religious freedom were also honored at the dinner:
Norway's former bishop of Oslo Gunnar Stålsett received the International Award for his lifetime of efforts in promoting peace and reconciliation between people of different faith traditions.
Kit Bigelow, former external affairs director for the National Spiritual Assembly of Baha'is, received the National Award for her 25 years of human rights advocacy, both at the United Nations and in Washington.
Edwards Woods III, director of the Lake Region chapter of the North American Religious Liberty Association, received this year's A. T. Jones medal for his grassroots activism in building up religious liberty support across Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Indiana.

Toward the end of the evening, Knox Thames, director of policy and research at the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom, gave a poignant tribute to the late Shahbaz Bhatti, a member of the Pakistani president's cabinet who was gunned down outside of his mother's home after speaking out against the country's controversial blasphemy laws. Thames was a personal friend of Bhatti's, and had helped him connect with Washington lawmakers during the Pakistani minister's recent trips to the nation's capital.

Hmm...interesting it mentions Bhatti,given he was named a Martyr by the Pope in my recent URI post. I do not know much about him or what happened to him, but it's interesting he was the focus of the Fr. Channan[URI] and Pope meeting in April.

Oh here is another article from Liberty magazine too, praise for the pope and odd paragraphs like this."The American Advent of Pope Benedict XVI"

"His trip is proof, too, that not only has there been a massive healing in the great Protestant- Catholic divide, but that many Protestants see the Papacy no longer as an enemy but, in many cases, as an ally in the numerous political/moral issues that mean a lot to them. This is a radical change, one that could have profound implications for the political future of this country.

In short, Pope Benedict XVI’s visit is another symbol of an amazing historical shift in American and Protestant attitudes toward a political-religious institution that for many years had been viewed as antithetical to all that Americanism and Protestantism stood for. Even more amazing is how Protestants themselves have been the most eager ones to reach across that gulf and embrace Rome. What that change means for American politics can be monumental in scope. History is being made; it’s just hard to see it as such when you are right there as it is taking place."

The SDA, just another daughter of Rome...[I pray the one's in the dissenting churches who see some truth, also realize the false system over-all that they have entered]


Leah said...

Fantastic article, thank you, Im passin it on.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks Leah, welcome to the blog...

Anonymous said...

Hi Bible Believer!

I'm currently a practicing 7th Day Adventist. While I do understand your view (and many others view) of Adventism (7th Day

Adventism) I lovingly disagree with most of the article. I'll list the points of disagreement or clarification below:

1. Ellen White's elevated status - This is correct. It's no secret that SDA's regard Ellen White as a prophet. But is

having a post-cannon prophet against the bible?
John the Revelator said - “And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred

[and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth .” Revelation 11:3
Also Paul said "“Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.” 1Corinthians 14:39
And finally Luke said - “And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all

flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream

dreams.” Acts 2:17
You may disagree with the statements of EGW, but I think you'd have to agree that prophecy is still a gift that God can use

even today.

2. The Sabbath is for the Jews only. Bible Believer, I must tell you that there are many God fearing Christians who honor

the Lord every Sunday that love God, but this does not nullify the Sabbath. If the Sabbath was only for the Jews, then so

were the other 9 commandments (James 2:10-11) and therefore we are free to sin.
Also I have seen many Christians quote Colossians 2:16 as proof that the Sabbath is done away with not understanding that

there were other Sabbaths outside of the 7th Day Sabbath (Lev 25:4, Lev 23:32) and this is what Paul was referring to. Vs. 17 is a continuation of vs. 16 and says of these holy days and Sabbath days..."Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ." The shadow of things to come is salvation through Jesus Christ. The 7th Day Sabbath originated during creation week before sin. (Gen 2:1-3). How could the 7th Day Sabbath of creation week be a shadow of things to come when sin had not taken place yet?

3. Sabbath keeping is legalism - If Sabbath keeping is legalism then not taking the Lord's name in vain and honoring my parents is also legalism. Bible Believer, keeping the law is not legalism, it's keeping it to be saved is what makes it legalism.

4. BB Beach.
You are correct about BB Beach's trip to Rome. However you must understand that a majority of the SDA's have not approved of this. It would also help if you note that even though this has indeed taken place, there are many SDA's that condemn this action
Bible Believer, just because America fights an illegal war doesn't make it legal, nor does it mean that its citizens agree with that war...the same is true of the Adventist Church leaders that reached out to the Pope. It doesn't mean that the church (members) agree with it. I certainly don't. :) - SDAinFLA

Bible Believer said...

I know there are lots of Seventh Day Adventists who are against the ecumenical stuff, but if you still give money and attend a church tied to the SDA [the mainstream] denomination, what about God's commandments to come out of her? I have nothing to do with false baptist churches but I am no longer referring to myself as a baptist, in that, most are apostate though there are some born again believers in indept fundie baptists churches like my old one, that I would be willing to fellowship with.
Actually the Bible DOES warn against a post-canon being added.

Rev 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Look how many false religions put forth a "new revelations"?

How could Ellen White fit the two witnesses description, she doesn't and given she doesn't fit prophecies of what happened to them....
God can use prophecy but it is NOT to add to the canon.
The sabbath is by choice. We are no longer under the law. I am not going to judge those who keep a "sabbath" but it is not required. Even Paul refers to them as a "shadow of things" that is definitely lowering their importance. I agree with you that looking to the law first is legalism. Do you think I am condemned for not keeping a sabbath? [I take time all week to pray and study the Word.]

The SDAs who disagree wtih BB BEach, need to recognize their church [if they are in the mainstream church] is part of the one world ecumenical system.

I warned about these church leaders and this video shows them all bowing before the Pope of Rome, masonic hand shakes included.

Watch the second video they are all there.

When Beach showed up, to pay homage to the Pope and give him gifts, he was swearing your church's allegiance to the Pope.

Also please study intently what Liberty Magazine has to say and how it agrees with the agenda of Rome.

People have to come out of false churches, it is obedience to God even if there is sacrifice involved.

Have these SDAs come out of her or broken their ties to the main SDA church? Remember watching the Roman Trads who protest the Pope's ecumenical ventures, it means nothing, because they speak out, but except for the sedevancantists they ALL STAY IN THE SYSTEM. They remain loyal to leaders they know is false.

One thing, I have studied the ecumenical ties and movements for years, I know they do not present this stuff to all lower level church members, the adventist churches except the most dissident off shoots are appearing on all the ecumenical, one world lists.

Countries and wars, God understands where we sit with that but with churches, he tells us to "Come out of her", even when I left Calvary Chapel after a very short time, I had to leave friends and others behind that I had met.

If I had stayed within, that would be remaining under false leaders, still follow Chuck Smith and the rest into the pit.

I am glad you recognize Rome for what it is, that is a very good thing, am happy for that and will pray for you. Thanks for the links.

Anonymous said...

1. Adventism and salvation through baptism -
This very simple: The SDA Church wants to show the importance of the baptism by fire but still showing the importance of the baptism by water too. (John 3:5)
Here’s the controversial quote from the SDA website – “To help us understand how God can transform us into His children, Jesus modeled the process of baptism for us. Baptism symbolized dying to self and coming alive in Jesus. Seventh-day Adventists practice full immersion baptism because by being fully buried beneath the water we symbolize that God's grace fully fills us with His new life for the future. Through baptism we are truly born again in Jesus.”
Now If we only magnify the last sentence it’s easy to come away with the conclusion that SDA’s believe baptism is what saves us, however in order to come away with that believe you’d have to ignore the rest of the paragraph. The key is in the word “symbolize”. For it states “Baptism SYMBOLIZED dying to self and coming alive in Jesus.” Then it says “…by being fully buried beneath the water we SYMBOLIZE that God's grace fully fills us with His new life for the future.”
Symbolize is defined as a representation of something real. That ‘something real’ is “dying to self”, “coming alive in Jesus”, “God’s grace fully filling us.”
So when we are baptized, it should be SYMBOLIC of real-life activities that are taking place in the life of the believer. The last sentence could be better rephrased like this… “When we are baptized we are truly born again in Jesus.”
Other quotes by EGW verify what I’ve stated above. Ie. “Salvation is not to be baptized, not to have our names upon the church books, not to preach the truth. But it is a living union with Jesus Christ to be renewed in heart, doing the works of Christ in faith…” Evangelism pg. 319

2. Vegetarianism -
This is from a health standpoint. Meat was not man’s original diet and when we go back to heaven meat will once again NOT be part of man’s diet. I find it ironic that SDA’s are ridiculed by promoting a vegetarian diet, when Daniel did the same thing and was praised for it. (Dan 1:12-13)

3. Sabbath -
I noticed you didn’t answer my original question. If the 7th Day Sabbath was a shadow of things to come then why was it instituted when the world was perfect?
Bible Believer, an indept study of the Sabbath will reveal a few things to you:
There were at least 2 sets of laws (10 Commandments, and the Law of Moses)
10 Commandments In the Ark - “And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them In The Ark.” Deuteronomy 10:2
Ceremonial Law - On the side of the Ark - “And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished… Take this book of the law, and put it In The Side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God…” Deuteronomy 31:24,26
Both laws had Sabbaths
10 Commandment Sabbath – Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy…Exodus 20:8-11
Ceremonial Sabbath - Also on the tenth [day] of this seventh month [there shall be] a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD…It [shall be] unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth [day] of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your Sabbath. Lev 23:27,32

The Law of Moses and the Sabbaths contained therein were all a shadow of things to come and this law was done away with but not the 10 commandments. If we are not under the law as you understand it…then what is sin?

Anonymous said...

4. EGW -
I don’t think you understand my points on EGW. I’m not saying EGW is the 2 witnesses…I’m trying to show you that prophets can exist after the canon has been closed.
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12:17
for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Revelation 19:10
I submit to you again, that a prophet can exist after the canon has been closed without adding to the Word of God. Please study Revelation and Inspiration.

5. SDA Babylon –
There’s a difference in being part of Babylon and being apostate Israel. When BBeach went to see the Pope, and when the conference did not condemn this action that is apostasy. But one man cannot make 15 million people part of Babylon by his decision to see the Pope.
The reason is because being a part of Babylon is more about the God you worship than about who your conference officials are visiting. The Bible says what Babylon does…For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her…Revelation 18:3
Fornication is about which God you worship…it’s about the doctrines you believe in. When we believe in false doctrines that are not Biblical, this is fornication.
The SDA Church tries to maintain a separation between all doctrines that are from Babylon…this is one of the reasons of our importance placed on the Sabbath. Most people don’t realize the Sabbath was ‘changed’ by the Roman system. “In A.D. 321 Constantine the Great grafted the Hellenistic astrological system onto the Roman calendar, making the first day of the week a day of rest and worship.”
…The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day...Catholic Encyclopedia -
“And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws…”Dan 7:25
Bible Believer, you don’t have to be part of a system to still be part of that system.

God Bless (SDAinFLA)

Bible Believer said...

Thanks for your response....

I of course do not agree with the doctrines of SDA, I would implore you to pray and ask God to show you the truth and as you go down the list, compare them to scripture [a good KJV bible]

1. So you are saying that those who warn that SDA teaches "baptismal regeneration" have got it wrong? That SDA really sees it as a symbol?

2. I do not judge according to diet, people can eat vegetarian, however can people refuse to eat a vegetarian diet in SDA without too much censure? While Daniel followed one, Jesus obviously did not follow a full vegan diet, eating fish and he would have eaten lamb at passover.

Mat 9:10 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.

Mar 14:3 And being in Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, as he sat at meat, there came a woman having an alabaster box of ointment of spikenard very precious; and she brake the box, and poured [it] on his head.

Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

3. What do you make of this verse?

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:

[Ill give you this, Sat is the more accurate day] Yes I know the English ones are named after pagan gods..SATURN DAY...

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

Mat 22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

We are no longer under the law, its about relationship with Jesus Christ, loving God and loving others.

I believe people can "choose" to sabbath keep, surely many Jews who became Christians do. But we are not under the law to do so.

Bible Believer said...

5.I had hoped to prove SDA's daughter status, I may be doing more research on this issue, but when BBeach went to go pay homage to the Pope he was doing so in official capacity. This means he was representing those 15 million people, by going there, on part of the SDA organization and bowing before the Pope. I refuse to have anything to do with any church that is ecumenical with Rome, and that includes decisions based on the actions of top officials even if the local guy may despiese Rome: That is rare anyhow when they have a denomination going to celebrate Rome.

This means in my case refusing to fellowship with churches with any membership in the WCC, NCC, Catholics and Evangelicals Together, etc.

You may have the right "God" but you are not obeying Him, if you remain in an organization that has hooked itself in official capacities and others to Rome. Look at what I posted in this article about Liberty magazine, the SDA ties to Rome go deep, and even recently I posted an article on the infiltrated seminaries, your SDA seminaries are being accredidated with two Jesuits on the list, I got that info from a SDA blogger who is outraged.

As I used to say to Catholics, why do you remain under FALSE LEADERSHIP, in the Catholic case, where they teach false doctrine and kanoodle with false religions but why should a SDA person remain under leadership that is tied to Rome? I know some like Catholic Trads leave to go to dissenting churches, but those are few among the many. Around here, the SDA churches are TOTALLY involved with the ecumenical movement, and when I do research on Calvary Chapel, Baptist and other churches, there are always SDA churches on the ecumenical gathering list.

Fornication isnt just based on your beliefs, it is based on your actions. What if I went and joined up with the SBC down the street that is part of the one world system and where they promote the teachings of Rick Warren? I would basically being going back into the harlot. By God's standards, it would be the same as being back with Rome. I also found out too, that the SDA church is affilated with the United Nations, that means it has joined with the one world antichrist system.

Those things can't be ignored. You may be surprised I agree with you on some of the history of the sabbath being changed to Sunday. We have no disagreement there. That was an action of Rome. But sadly I believe Rome put up SDA as a false church, that while it spoke of some truths about what was done to the day of the sabbath in it being changed, it also introduced new deceptions. That is how deception works. What is even sadder to me is how SDA people are taught in the pews, that Rome is the harlot, but there are your leaders and more all joined with Rome, and the stuff in Liberty magazine, it GOES DEEP. It is not just one guy hanging out with the Pope, it is multitudes. It is having your seminary approved by Jesuits. [and by the way you are not the only denomination this applies too]

I believe you are a sincere person and hope you will pray and examine these things....

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. (1 John 5:2-3, KJV)

Anonymous said...

Thanks Bible Believer for your information. Here's my responses:

1. I can't speak for every SDA. There may be some SDA's that believe in that false doctrine...but since the history of the Christian church has it's leaders always been able to control the actions and beliefs of all its members? Read Corinthians.
So all I can tell you is that I see it as a symbol and this is what the church advocates...if we get into what Joe Smoe's Adventist Church teaches down the street from me...they might teach something else. My original point was advising you that you are misinterpretting the quote from the SDA website.

2. Yes. There are people that refuse it without any censure. We don't have meat watching detectives at members homes to take notes if they are eating meat. (smile). We preach it from the pulpit in hopes that members get off of meat. Yes no one denies that Jesus ate meat, but with all the diseases in meat and the mercury and polution in water today...your best bet is a vegetarian diet.

3. I make of this verse exactly what it is. The Sabbath Days, New Moons, and all the other ceremonial laws were done away with. They were a shadow of things to come. The shadow of things to come pertained to sacrifices. This is why Hebrews 10:1 says "For the law having a SHADOW OF GOOD THINGS to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those SACRIFICES which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect."
The 7th Day Sabbath commandment had nothing to do with sacrfices. It was about creation.
The day of atonment (which was also called a Sabbath) was about sacrfice. This is what Paul is referring to let no one judge us on.
Also look closely at your scripture in Matt 22..."Love the Lord with all thy heart and and soul and mind" represents the 1st 4 Commandments. Which are about our relationship with God.
1. Don't worship any other Gods
2. Don't worship idols.
3. Don't take the Lords name in vain.
4. Keep the Sabbath

Then "Love thy neighbor as thyself" represents the last 6 commandments.
5. Honour parents
6. Dont kill
7. Don't commit adultery
8. Don't steal
9. Don't lie
10. Don't covet.
Bible Beliver....Jesus was still talking about the 10 commandments.

But your statement is correct. It is about loving God and our neighbors....but that love doesn't eclipse obedience. Jesus said "If you love me keep my commandments." John 14:15

5. Let's approach this differently.
Which one makes more sense?
A. 15 million peeople leave the SDA deonomination and form back together with the same doctrines and beliefs just without the same leadership?
B. Simply remove the leaders that catering to Rome?

This issue is not our belief system it's the leadeship of the Church...but this is why we vote leaders in and out of office.

Again I submit to you that Apostacy is not the same a Babylon. Even when Israel worshipped false gods, they were in apostacy.
I suggest you read what Jesus said about the 7 churches in Revelation 1-3. Were they Babylon or were they in apostacy?

God Bless (SDAinFLA)

Anonymous said...

Good Article! SDA is definitively on of the daughters of the harlot just as the rest of the cults are. Ellen G. White was a babbler and her goal was to lead the hypnotized masses of fools into the Babylon confusion.

Judy Gypsy said...

I am a practising SDA and believe that the doctrines of this church most closely match the Bible than any other church. That's not to say I agree with everything the church does.
Baptism - it is a symbol of what has happened inside of us. Our acceptance of Jesus and "dying and being raised with Him" to new life. I don't know what the fuss is about, here. Jesus was baptised, He is our example, and that is why I got baptised by immersion.
The Sabbath is part of God's law of love, not part of the law of Moses which became obsolete at Jesus' death. Why do people balk at the Sabbath and not at the other nine commandments? Is it because the Sabbath requires a commitment, more than lip service? It requires time with God, which is a joy and blessing, not a burden. Nowhere in Scripture do we find a commandment to negate it. It is a choice, as is everything God puts before us. It is the mark of the beast and those who choose Sunday worship over Sabbath worship are choosing to disobey God. That is their choice - but God says "why will you die?" He wants us to choose life!
EGW - was inspired, and wrote more prolifically than any other woman in history. She had numerous visions, which amplified Bible doctrine.
Don't be too quick to throw out the church's teachings because an official from the church did something you disagree with. They are only people and can make bad choices too. We don't claim that our church officials or our church doctrine is "infallible" - unlike Rome. It's like saying you don't believe in education anymore because one teacher sexually abused your child.
Vegetarianism - was never an issue in Bible times. I am a vegan by choice, but most of my SDA friends are vegetarian, and some eat meat occasionally. I don't cut them off or believe they are backsliding or anything. It's not a religious issue - it's a health issue and a conscience issue. For myself, I chose this lifestyle because of health reasons (I believe that animal products are becoming more diseased as time progresses), because of the health of the planet (we can't go on eating animal products and still expect to feed everyone, with our expanding populations) and last of all, I am vegan because I know that all the animal industries are laced with horrible cruelty. I won't be part of it.
I love my church, I don't think much of some of its leaders, but I will stay with it until the end and look to Jesus for my salvation, not to baptism or to matters of lifestyle. Those are put there for my health and well-being, not my salvation.
Thanks for reading this.

hatz said...

By reading this article I can conclude that the author have a shallow knowledge on the doctrines of the SDA church which are BIBLE BASED. In regards to babylon i suggest the author need to study the bible to identify the babylon it is referin to. The article state SDA as the babylon. Where in the Bible do u see that? Read Revelation again and see the description of babylon please before you start pointing fingure. Am an Adventist and am not a vegeterian coz i choose not too. But i do take care of my health. It is a health matter not a religious matter. And ofcourse vegeterians have a healthier lifestyle.

Bible Believer said...

I am curious what do you think of your church leaders such as Beach bowing before Rome? I have identified babylon, babylon is discussed all over this blog. Actually SDA would only be one branch of the false harlot church which has many, it's connections to Rome as exposed above, also make that clear. I even read a recent SDA Liberty magazine, more Dominionism and joining with Rome/global elites in their endeavors for their "false religious freedom".

Jesus wasn't a vegetarian. He ate fish and lamb at Passover.

Cameron said...

The Adventist Church certainly rejects bowing before Rome. Look around and you will find many critics complain the Adventists are too harsh against the Roman Catholic Church.

However, Adventists work happily side by side with Catholics, Salvation Army, governments, and anyone else who shares common goals. For example, I have Adventist friends help feed homeless and underprivileged people in an interfaith ministry in my home town. On the global scale, the Adventist Development and Relief Agency in constantly partnering with others to provide disaster and development aid.

Adventists generally work to promote friendship and understanding with others - Catholics, Muslims, Jews... it matters not. Being friendly does not equal bowing down or combining with another group, especially groups who hold different theology than you do.

Anonymous said...

If we would only follow the word of God with all our hearts we wouldn't try to justify a life of sin by saying these things. We SDA's are of the belief that whatever the bible says that is what we believe and that settles it. Please make this your aim as well and you will never go wrong. Dont try to justify sin by interpreting the bible incorrectly and bash the followers of truth.

Bible Believer said...

Cameron God forbids joining at the tables of infidels. The one world religion is being built via "unity in diversity". This means they will promote friendship and "working together:.

Bible Believer said...

Anon, who is trying to justify a life of sin? The SDA teaches things that are apart from the Bible. Make sure you get a KJV bible and read it. SDA is a branch of Rome and a wily one.

Carolyn said...

That's interesting since they are always proclaiming that the "Sunday Law" is about to be enforced any day now & they claim to be free from the clutches of Rome!

Bible Believer said...

Its a distraction, they are totally in with Rome. They are gaslighting their members.

Anonymous said...

The SDA church is not biblical Christianity. The SDA church believes that the archangel Michael is Jesus Christ. They believe in "another Jesus". They say that "the angel of the Lord" in the OT was Jesus as well. Hebrews chapter 1 demolishes this whole false belief system. Jesus was not, nor is not an angel. According to Hebrews 1 angels are ministering spirits to man. Jesus is not the angel of the Lord, he is the Lord of the OT. Then there's the obvious works salvation like keeping the sabbath and baptism for salvation. It was Ellen white who got her material by automatic writing. She has an obelisk at her family's gravesite. She referred to her god as "the all seeing eye". She was infatuated with the constellation Orion for some reason, and claimed "jesus" would return traveling through this constellation. There's a reason why when you hear Doug batcheler on TV he NEVER mentions the SDA church's core beliefs, if he did they'd turn the channel immediately. With all the posts on here, not one person brought up the fact they believe that Michael is Jesus. They also believe in a false doctrine called "soul sleep". Jesus said Abraham rejoiced and was glad to see his day, that proves soul sleep is false. They also do not believe in an eternal hell. They never mention these things unless someone asks. It is a pseudo cult......James

Bible Believer said...

Thank you for your post James, yes all the above is true. It is another Millerite diversion for deception.

Laura Brusstar said...

It is sad to hear what has been said about the Seventh Day Adventist Church, because what the woman is saying isn't the truth about what Seventh Day Adventist do or believe. They believe the Bible is God's word. They believe that salvation is through the shed blood of Jesus Christ. The don't believe that babtism is salvation. They are just following God's word. Jesus was baptised and babtised the same way the Seventh Day Adventist's babtize. They don't sprikle you with water from the fingers or a baton, you are immersed the same way Christ was immersed. Ellen White doesn't change anything the Bible says and she doesn't add to the Bible eihter. Read Desire of the Ages it is a beautiful book that shows the Savior as a loving Savior when she writes she quoates the Bible. It is a beautiful book. Seventh Day Adventist know that God reaches people sometimes in the 11th hour of their life, like the theif on the cross, who didn't get baptized. They don't believe that baptism is salvation. They baptise in your church don't they. Salvation only comes from Chirst dying on the cross, shedding his blood, who was without sin to take on the sins of the world, because he so loved us. I have never heard the Seventh Day Adventists say that any denomination wouldn't be saved or say only Seventh Day Adventists will only be saved. They know that it God who will judge. They also know that judge and you will be judged with the same measure. It is only God who can judge man. So many of the things you have said about the Seventh Day Adventists isn't true. I have never heard a Seventh Day Adventist speak of another denomination the way in which you have spoke of them. They have spoke of the Catholic Church but only things the Catholic Church says about itself. Not like you are saying about Adventist's which isn't what Adventist's say. No man is good except God alone. Our thoughts are no where near his thoughts. Praise God he loves us anyways, and it will be a glorious day when Christ returns. God says it is his will that none should perish because he loves us all. You have failed to make 1 quoate where Ellen White added to the Bible or one quoate that didn't harmonise with the Bible. No one at the Seventh Day Adventist Church worships Ellen White. No one should blindly follow any demonination. They should read the Bible for themselves and pray the Lord give them wisdom to the understanding of what he wants us to know and to be the person he created us to be. I am a Seventh Day Adventist and I don't judge anyone for what church they go to. God will judge people and his Holy Judgement will be right because he is God. Our thoughts are nowhere near his thougts so none of us can say what God thinks except God. Praise be to God in the highest. Let us pray for each other and love each other as God would want us to love each other in brotherly love, and hope that everyone will come to the cross for salvation.

Carolyn said...

Soul sleep is not biblical
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. (2 Corinthians 5:8)

Investigative Judgement is a false doctrine.
It's a direct attack against efficaciousness of the blood of Jesus to cleanse from ALL sin.
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (1 John 1:7)

Ellen G. White taught that you can NOT know for SURE you have salvation before you die.
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. (1 John 5:13)

Attending Church on Sunday is NOT the mark of the beast. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: (Colossians 2:16)

Eternal torment is Biblical, not that a person suffers for a while in hell and then ceases to exist. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: (Matthew 25:41)

Jesus is NOT Michael the archangel.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

Verne Hodge said...

Amos 8:5&9 and Luke 23:44
In Amos 8:5 God is asked when will the Sabbath be gone. In Amos 8:9 God says that day will come when the sun goes down at noon. Luke 23:44 shows that when Jesus was crucified, the sun went dark at noon (the 6th hour). Thus, the Sabbath was done when Christ was crucified. Col.2:16 references the same language as Amos regarding the end of new moons, feasts and the Sabbath since the crucifixion of our God.

Gal. 4:24-30
Gal. 4:24-30 shows that there are 2 covenants, one from Mt. Sinai (only Ten Commandments come from Mt. Sinai)and one from Jerusalem where Christ was crucified (Gospel), and that we are to cast out the one from Mt. Sinai and embrace the one from Jerusalem. Thus, we Christians are not under the Ten Commandments but under Christ.

Ten Commandments not good enuf anymore.
All of the Ten Commandments are impotent without Christ, especially the first four. All the other Commandments are explicitly enhanced/advanced by Gospel teachings. Example, not committing adultery is not enuf. Since Christ, a husband must be faithful sexually, but now must also "love his wife as he loves himself." So if he doesn't commit adultery, but is unkind, unfair toward her, he has been unfaithful to her under the Gospel (but not under the Law).

Nuff said. Hopes this helps some SDAs. Love you guys.

sharewealth said...

Verne Hodge: You'd have to read lots more on this subject in the bible.

Apostle Paul (to the Gentiles) did keep the 7th day Sabbath - till the da he was murdered in Rome.

85 times of Sabbath keeping in NEW TESTAMENT times by the pure church Jesus Christ had founded:

Jesus taught to pray that they *(IE CHURCH) escape destruction if it should fall on the 7th day Sabbath, which occurred in 70 AD - 40 years after Jesus' ascension. wonder why Jesus had warned them on the need to still keep the Sabbath all those years after his death and resurrection?

DO You know God's kingdom people will keep the 7th day Sabbath in heaven and in paradise restored on earth?

Isaiah 66:23New International Version (NIV)
23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord

Do you SINCERELT desire to enter heaven dear VERNE, my fellow believer in Christ?

If so, then you better begin to obey God's Commandments - not because the keeping of these will save you, but because you have been saved by HIS precious blood shed at Calvary. Thus in return you LOVE him enough to honour all his commandments (IE the Decalogue commandments) and obey them - all ten not just nine. Yes, (honour him just like honouring our parents0). Its so simple. Why jump loops and hoops. Verne Hodge: You'd have to read lots more on this subject in the bible.

Apostle Paul (to the Gentiles) did keep the 7th day Sabbath - till the da he was murdered in Rome.

85 times of Sabbath keeping in NEW TESTAMENT times by the pure church Jesus Christ had founded:

Jesus taught to pray that they *(IE CHURCH) escape destruction if it should fall on the 7th day Sabbath, which occurred in 70 AD - 40 years after Jesus' ascension. wonder why Jesus had warned them on the need to still keep the Sabbath all those years after his death and resurrection?

Do you know God's kingdom people will keep the 7th day Sabbath in heaven and in paradise restored on earth?

Isaiah 66:23New International Version (NIV)
23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord

Do you desire to enter heaven dear VERNE, my fellow believer in Christ? Then you better begin to obey God's Commandments - not because the keeping of these will save you, but because you believe you have been saved and thus LOVE him enough to honour all his commandments (IE the Decalogue commandments) Get it?

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." Rev. 22:14.

May the Lord bring to you this truth more vividly in your life than ever before is my earnest prayer for you and your loved ones. Amen !!!!!!!!!Get it?

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." Rev. 22:14.

May the Lord bring to you this truth more vividly in your life than ever before is my earnest prayer for you and your loved ones. Amen !!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Oh boy... @BibleBeliever I am sorry dear Sister/Brother. I am sorry if anyone from the SDA church caused any harm to you - I say this because I have never read so much hate towards SDA's ever before. And if someone did hurry you in anyway - please do as the bible says 'hate sin not the sinner'.

There is a large population of educated illiterates in our world today - I am not trying to demean you, just want you to know that 'half education' is more dangerous than 'no education' - I heartily request you approach spiritual matters with the right spirit and you will discover spiritual knowledge in abundance. Try it - IN THE RIGHT SPIRIT