Tuesday, August 30, 2011

Ray Comfort and Doug Phillips of Vision Forum?



I don't know the circumstances of this meeting, if they ran into each other or what....but am posting this for your perusal.

Of course Kirk Cameron who has a joint ministry with Ray Comfort, has worked with Vision Forum




It's too bad these two haven't discerned the truth about Vision Forum. Way of the Master had some interesting videos but with too much of the easy believism bent. I do see them as a neo-evangelical ministry given it's ties to TBN, and other ecumenical endeavors, and do not support it.

Ray Comfort just has too many ties to the false preachers within the one world system:

RAY COMFORT

Ray Comfort's ministry has been commended by Franklin Graham, Ravi Zacharias, John MacArthur, David Jeremiah, Josh McDowell, Dr. Norman Geisler, Bill Gothard, David Wilkerson, Joni Eareckson Tada, and many other Christian leaders. He has written for Billy Graham's Decision magazine and Bill Bright's Worldwide Challenge.

His literature is used by the Moody Bible Institute, Leighton Ford Ministries, Campus Crusade For Christ, Institute in Basic Life Principles, and the Institute for Scientific & Biblical Research. He has also written more than 60 books and is a regular platform speaker at Southern Baptist State Conferences...


BILL GOTHARD too?


14 comments:

Anonymous said...

Since I heard about the guy last year, I've never been comfortable with Comfort. Anon. #1

Bible Believer said...

When I found out how ecumenical he was, I was done. Glad you had him figured out too...

michelle said...

I'm surprised at how many people that are supposedly "Christians" do not investigate these teachers like Bill Gothard and others. Gothard has so many longtime and loyal followers. They spend thousands of dollars every year for his events (such as his camp Journey to the Heart). Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron had appealed to me once but once I read a little deeper into them the charm wore off quickly.

Anonymous said...

I recently read something about Kirk Cameron and his wife in Cathy Burns's booklet-Little Known Facts about Focus on the Family($4-libertytothecaptives.net or Sharing-Cathy Burns's ministry)-page 2. They hosted a video. His wife was wearing short-shorts and she said,"Look inside yourself and do what's right for you." The video was produced by FOTF and it was called,"Sex,Lies,and Truth". Cathy Burns calls it an "indecent video".

Bible Believer said...

You know I liked Kirk Cameron, a long time, I wanted him to be the real deal....but now learning what I have about Hollywood and fame, it is sad, to learn that he doesn't appear to be one, to have escaped the devil's tenacles with all the ecumenism and hanging out at TBN, etc. For me, sometimes I hold for the best for some of these guys, but then the disappointments mount up, and their inability to discern ANYTHING speaks for itself and it can't be ignored. I mean hanging out with TBN is bad enough, but then the likes of Doug Phillips who is known as extreme even within fundamentalist circles, the mind boggles. Yeah I have seen worldly videos even on marriage. Sometimes I try to find good videos to post on this blog, but they fill everything with such scary imagery even if the message is correct, I do not want to watch it so why make anyone else? Described here.

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/dobson/sex.htm

The sex lies and truth video is on youtube, I went to go take a look..yeah that is what they are wearing, some of the intros are really indecent, I just watched a few seconds. It is rather old from late 80s or early 90s.

They get the emphasis wrong, with this stuff... If someone is not convicted by the Holy Spirit they will not desire holiness, they will not discern it. Unbelievers see these vidoes as just more lists of rules. James Dobson advances this stuff, with the whole culture wars attached.

More and more I think if someone famous is out there and being advanced all over the place, then we need to watch out. The world loves Kirk Cameron....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc1XM_Mn1fw&feature=related

Bible Believer said...

Hi Michelle, I know I do not understand why none of them research these teachers either, there are endless websites that warn of Bill Gothard out there. How can they just sit in ignorance and never examine anything? Yeah the charm wore off for me too.

Miguel Hayworth said...

Ray Comfort new 180movie promoted by the RCChttp://www.catholictide.com/26/180-movie-changes-opinions-from-pro-abortion-to-pro-life/

http://gloria.tv/?media=201875

http://catholicism.org/tag/180-movie

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/the-secret-weapon-against-abortion-lsn-interviews-180-creator

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Catholic-Diocese-of-Memphis-in-Tennessee/193095594058352?sk=wall

Bible Believer said...

I find the premise of 180 quite odd, it seems to me that a person who supports abortion unless they are truly born again, is not going to have their mind changed nor be convicted about this. I only saw the trailer so haven't seen more of the movie, but it seemed to be hinting towards that, we talked these people out of supporting abortion within minutes!

All I know is I have talked to many people against abortion and while a few minds have been changed, those were people most open to God's truth, it was more the exception.

Abortion has served as a huge center of the "culture wars" used to usher people into the Dominionist camp...sadly abortions still continue.

Bible Believer said...

Oh it being a central point of the "culture wars" is why this movie is being promoted in Catholic circles.

miguel hayworth said...

the first video is simply Ray admitting his ministy is a family buisness So what a person gose away pro-life but still and athest moral absolutes is nothing unless the person goes away believing that Jesus is the Son of God, my main concern with Ray for many years is his level of compromise with Kenneth Copeland, Jessie Duplantis, Joyce Meyer, Mike Murdoch Pat Robertson, TBN etc.

It is intresting that Calvary Chapel Pastor Ray Comfort speaks on this issue but fails to deal with Chuck Smith's acceptance of abortion in extenuating circumstances such as abortion is


permissable in the situation that a mothers life is at risk having the fact they save the child.

of the fact that Calvary Chapel is going if not Gone ecumenical, the reason why the 180movie is promoted in Rome simply to futher their ecumenical agenda.

Ray what about the child molestation Cases in Calvary Chapel reported by the Media and Ex-members.

their is alot more problems in Calvary Chapel than Calvary Chapel Pastor Ray Comfort lets on.

Bible Believer said...

I didn't really think about that, but yes Ray Comfort has or at least had official ties to Calvary Chapel...

"He says that it was during this time that he began receiving invitations to speak throughout the country, and in other countries. In 1989, accepted an invitation to the join the pastoral staff at the non-denominational Calvary Chapel in Southern California.[4] Ray Comfort still continues to identify himself as a Jew.[1]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Comfort

Miguel you are right about the level of compromise with Comfort and TBN's false ministers.

That was one thing that stopped my support of Comfort long ago finding out about him even hanging out with the Word of Faith crowd.

Yes that 180 movie is making the rounds. Have only seen a trailer, which to me was odd. I have seen the issue of abortion used for too many smokescreens in the RCC, the evangelical world is not immune. It has been exploited for political and "culture wars" gain. It seems to have Catholic support:

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/180-the-movie-the-new-cheat-sheet-for-abortion-dialogue?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LifesitenewscomLatestHeadlines+%28LifeSiteNews.com+Latest+Headlines%29

Anonymous said...

I love how you call yourself a "Bible Believer" but then proceed to go around calling these men whom glorify God in their actions and words, false preachers, you are not only lying, but sinning by saying this nonsense. Doug Philips, Ray Comfort, Kirk Cameron, are seen by their fruits to be strong Christian men living in within the freedom of the scriptures.

About Ray Comfort identifying as a Jew, he is one, by ethnicity. You know what that is? It's completely obvious he is a Christian, the scriptures confirm his actions and words as fruits of a true Christian. I find it sad that Christians like you are willing to attack our brothers and sisters whom are bringing God glory and taking the world by storm, like the Bible commands.

What have you done? Where are your fruits? Why must you lie and say these men are false preachers?

Bible Believer said...

What do you mean nothing they do should be question?

No one should warn Cameron or Comfort about the wolves of TBN or the lie that is Dominionism? Or the harm that Vision Forum and other ministries are doing to people?

I don't care if Comfort is an ethnic Jew, why should it matter either way.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

What do you mean taking the world by storm?

And how are they bringing God glory by associating with false teachers?

You are right I am not famous, I am just an ordinary person actually of lower means with a blog and they are widely known.

Why do you trust famous men more when the bible warns about those the world loves?

Bible Believer said...

correction, above question should be questioned.