Sunday, August 7, 2011

First Plumbline Apologetics Video: "Chuck Smith - Calvary Chapel - Knights of Malta - Vatican connection"



When you see the pictures right in front of your face, it really hits you, how intertwined these false preachers are with the denizens of the new world order. Understand that the "Knights of Malta' are basically the Pope's high level politically and otherwise connected troops doing his bidding planet wide.

More here too

See too:

"Bad Politics in the Churches: Scott Spages and Calvary Chapel Faith Forum"

"Understand the Times: More on Boykin"

"Roger Oakland: Jerry Boykin and the Calvary Chapel Connection"

28 comments:

First Plumbline Apologetics said...

Hi William

I am glad you covered on this, I think it would good to link together, Jackie Alnor removed me from her FaceBook because of the video and she has totally lost integrity she also said this about Roger publicly on her wall.

Jackie Alnor Interesting Alex - Funny how that photograph doesn't seem to go along with the story.
20 hours ago

Alex Grenier Roger Oakland would prolly disagree...
20 hours ago

Jackie Alnor Well, Roger Oakland has not been himself since his brain injury
20 hours ago

Alex Grenier Chuck's gonna be crackin' open that CC wallet a lot in the coming years. He should listen and make much needed reforms now and protect children.
20 hours ago · 1 person

Alex Grenier God will not be mocked.

If Jackie has a problem with Roger Personally I do not think it be wise to make such speculations based on his health for one she is not medically qualified 2nd also this is playing into the enemies hands.

First Plumbline Apologetics said...

if your on facebook you can see it at http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=760562496&sk=wall

Bible Believer said...

That's sad.....

Well I've seen people before from Calvary Chapel or associated with it, saying that people warning about what was happening with the place, were crazy,etc.

I do not know much about Jackie Alnor, she seems to warn about some things, but then when it comes to Calvary Chapel or Chuck Smith, [well not junior] gives it all a very odd pass.

Sorry to hear she is another Calvary Chapelist who just doesn't want to know...

One thing in the Calvary Chapel world, there are some that warn of a A LOT, but what is missing, well, and what they refuse to "hear" is always interesting.

Thanks William for that new article.

First Plumbline Apologetics said...

check this out http://www.calvarychapelofhonolulu.com/htw_2011.html

First Plumbline Apologetics said...

do e-mail me also miguel@firstplumbline.net

Bible Believer said...

Wow thanks for that link, Miguel...

Shows they do not care about the warnings regarding Boykin and Knights of Malta.

They keep on inviting him to their seminars and more.

I'll email you soon as well....

Bible Believer said...

William..

I think I just figured out how to do screen shots, forget what I used it for but I think it will come in handy, because a lot will be taken down once it's exposed.

I agree about false opposition. There is also controlled opposition. I've covered it a smidgen on this blog...

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2011/05/there-is-deception-at-every-layer.html

Explaining to folks how all the games work, isn't easy, but they go deep. They have nets to catch people who figure out "each layer" of the onion. People come out of the Catholic church and figure out it's the harlot? Well there is the charismatic or Calvary Chapel there waiting for them ready to scoop them up and lead them down a new road to deceit.

With the deceivers,, it's definitely happening in the Christian world. There are many who sound the warning cry, but they make sure to play cover up for differnet areas or lead people into a "new ditch". On this blog I tell people do your own research, check out yourself what I write, and trust only totally in God.

I believe even "Trojan Horse Friends", are sent out to many warning Christians. Also the controlled opposition, will warn about many things and even tell the truth, but what is missing is what you have to watch out for and where they are influencing you to go.

I believe Jesuits or those working for them could be pretend to be your best friend and think nothing of it. Of course there are many other groups with the motive to steer Christians wrong too...Masonic, Satanists, etc, but they essentially all share the same agendas.

Make sure along the way to listen to the warnings of the Holy Spirit.

Yeah not surprised they changed the dictionary. One interesting word is casuistry. The Jesuits became masters of it.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/casuistry

I believe the Counter Reformation is ongoing.

William, that is a great article on David Barton, yes it is full of that Christian Nation heresy. Covenants? They sure love those, Christians are not to take vows, and there he pushes the myth of people like George Washington being born again Christians when they were deist Masons, well in GW's case.

Interesting information about Carroll. All I consider is what two states were named...

MARY LAND

and VIRGIN [ia]

after the Virgin Mary by the way....

Why people see so much of our early history as pure Protestantism without the influence of Rome, kind of surprises me.

In fact I believe America was set up to begin with to be used to bring in the one world order more and more over a centuries long plan.

Anonymous said...

Jackie Alnor is not a Bible defender. She is a Calvary chapel defender. You won't find anything from her that will defend the Bible when Calvary chapel contradicts the Bible. You're wasting your time on her. She's irrelevant.

Bible Believer said...

That really is a shame, but sadly there are many like her out there. They warn of the stuff that is "safe" which often usually consist of some watered down warnings about the Emergent church, Rick Warren and *overt* deceivers, but keep away from anything that may cause them controversy or rocking the boat in their own "denomination".

Bible Believer said...

Well we are to warn for those who will listen, many won't and scripture makes that clear.

Anonymous said...

Respecting of persons is a common sin among such folk, but in doing so they become enemies of Jesus Christ because they are friends of the world. Anon. #1

Bible Believer said...

I agree. They put prestige first in line of anything else. Who is famous, who is well-known? That is who they follow, where celebrity and big names count for the most. It definitely denotes friendship with the world.

Kayfabe said...

When will the sheep at Calvary Chapel wake up? Chuck Smith, Greg Laurie, Skip Heitzeig and Frank Pastore are leading the flock of Calavry into the hands of the harlot. The problem is that many of these sheep at Calvary worship and exalt man at the expense of the word of God. The term "Calvary Chapel DNA" is being pushed right now in their fellowships leading to more indoctrination. My old Cavary even has a class being taught on that to the men, it is by invite only after filling out a questionerre.

Bible Believer said...

I wonder that too, when will they wake up? But so few in other churches have waken up, and you are right they are being lead into the hands of the harlot. I never have heard of this Calvary Chapel DNA thing but went to look it up...It is really weird, that they make people take a questionaire, to even be *eligible* for the class, sounds like they want to weed out the thinkers or anyone who may ask too many questions.

http://ccmtb.com/event/dna-ccm-1

"Men, do you make CCM your home church and want to become a part of the "Helix of Change?" Pastor Pancho will be sharing about the DNA of our church for four weeks to men who want to: Be part of ministry, give back to our community, and serve the body of Christ. This four week series will take place on Mondays from July 11th - August 1st. If you are interested and want to be a part of this, you must pick up a MANDATORY questionnaire at the Info Center. If you are chosen to participate in this FREE series, you will be notified by email."

http://calvarychapelcapecod.com/Silas/13Thessalonians2011/110410_1thess3_1_13.pdf

From their Facebook page:

"Calvary Chapel Montebello The applicants will be chosen by Pancho after the questionnaires have been filled out and turned it.
July 5 at 10:42am · 1 person"

Bible Believer said...

It's weird that DNA language is all over...

"Calvary Chapel of the White Mountains is active in domestic as well as international missions. Whether it's on the Apache Indian Reservation or halfway across the globe, we view our communities and the world as our mission field. We believe that missions is part of the DNA of this church and we realize that we exist to reach others with the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Calvary Chapel of the White Mountains models its outreach ministry after the pattern set in Acts 1:8"

http://media.leadnet.org/blog-content/leadnet/downloads/Diverse%20DNA.pdf

Kayfabe said...

Pastor Pancho is my former Pastor and Montebello is my former fellowship. I have already questioned Pancho on other issues by email and got a nasty response from him when I was being humble. I also had a bad experience with one of his asst. Pastors Abel Maldonado who gave me dirty looks for two years all because I was the last one to leave the parking lot after a weds service even tho I apologized. Pancho preaches a soft gospel and elevates himself. He also jokes about his past sin in order to draw laughs from the congregation. The sheep there love him but if you get close enough you see the pride and arrogance shine thru. His word is also suspect after he informed the congregation more than three and a half years ago that he wasn't going to travel anymore but yet he has traveled more than ever in the guise of ministry. I guess he must be suffering for the lord in his travels to Hawaii, Switzerland etc. I have heard that he is a lover of money and that he owns many houses but that is not confirmed. I got banned from his daughters blog because I would speak truth as she is way too wordly for my taste and she is bad example for the sisters in Christ as she has a lot of followers and is she is gaining influence outside of CCM. I figured out why these pastors love to travel and speak at other churches. For one the travel expenses are on the churches dime and two they get paid by the church where they speak at and in turn that church gets a write off. There is even a website where you can book christian speakers, for a fee of course, I know that Panchos daughter is on it. I guess the gospel is to be sold not told. We have the same bible they do and we should have to pay for celebrity preachers to share the bible with us.

Bible Believer said...

I am glad to hear they are both FORMER for you, and you did end up leaving. It is too bad, you faced such a negative experience in trying to discuss things with him, but that is often how it can end up for people, the brush off, or freeze-out, and you know it is not an honest conversation. I had both kinds, humble pastor who listened and the other, and the latter is NOT fun. Yeah I've seen the joking first hand about past sins, which always strikes me as odd, I can understand sharing what one came out of, but have heard pastors do that one.
I have seen churches where the pastors endlessly travel and it's always "fun" places never Middle-of-no-where Nebraska, but Caribbean Islands and such. In fact when discussing all the seminars here, I wonder when some of these pastors have time to do anything else there are so many. Yes many make a living making the rounds and charging fees for speaking.

Kayfabe said...

Unfortunately many of us will have to remain outlaws until the persecution as there aren't many options for fellowship outside the institution. Thank god I found a home fellowship but even then you have to beware that things are kept humble. I know there is a remnant that is growing every day that won't bow down to the one world religion that is coming. Thanks for the blessing that this blog has been.

Bible Believer said...

Yes there are many coming out of the churches, and finding they are out there are on their own. Thank God for your home fellowship, I know that is a good option for many, and yes, one has to be keep things humble. There are many who the Holy Spirit is warning and who are obeying.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2011/04/more-discussion-regarding-those-without.html

Thanks to you too Kayfabe.

Miguel Hayworth said...

also remember Lonnie Frisbee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKs3aBuFhVQ

he was a mystic also was the founding father for the Vinyard churches

Also his homosexuality was never mentioned at the Crystall Cathedrial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eQ7p6pjq7s

Lonnie Frisbee 1993 Memorial Service at the Crystal Cathedral in Garden Grove,CA. Chuck Smith, Juan Carlos Ortiz, Jack Sims, Phil Aguilar and others. Share their friendship and time with Lonnie Frisbee.

During his eulogy he implyed about frisbee as greatly used of God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCvH9NOTSzw

Kathryn Kuhlman, Lonnie Frisbee & Chuck Smith

http://images.suite101.com/3117465_com_kathryn_kuhlman_with_pope_paul_vi.jpg

The ecumenism goes futher back to here

http://www.sermonindex.net/images/forum/2004/december/kk.gif

Lonnie Frisbee was one of the reasons for John Crowder, http://www.thenewmystics.com/Groups/1000036238/Home_Page_of/About_Us/John_and_Lily/John_and_Lily.aspx

http://thenewmystics.com/Articles/1000040966/Home_Page_of/Articles/Teachings/2008_Archive/High_on_Jesus.aspx

http://thenewmystics.com/Articles/1000041004/Home_Page_of/Articles/Revival_Reports/Christmas_Greetings_from.aspx

http://thenewmystics.com/Articles/1000041014/Home_Page_of/Articles/Revival_Reports/Signs_and_Wonders.aspx

Someone prophesied that the Lord was “laying tracks” during this trip, which we would continually run on and build with in the future. Lily was raised in California as a child, and we feel a natural connection and call to see the area encounter the glory of God. We feel that the Lord wants to restore that same fire of revival that Lonnie Frisbee kindled in California years ago in the realm of power evangelism and spiritual encounter.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks Miguel, yes a lot tracks back to Lonnie Frisbee.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/06/jesus-movement-exploded-in-america.html

Definitely a mystic, claimed he found "god" via LSD use....there seem to be mind control aspects with Frisbee too...

If you even look at Wimber and the rest of them, its scary. I had a post on the Carm board from years ago, I tried to go find it for a new article, but couldn't find it yesterday where even C Peter Wagner, spoke of Calvary Chapel being the orginator of the new apostolic reformation. Hey why wouldn't they be? They brought the non-denominational denomination stuff to fruition, so he probably is most accurate about that. Even Wagner dealt with Wimber, they are all linked together.

Lonnie Frisbee died of AIDs, unrepentant homosexual.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonnie_Frisbee
Yep Chuck Smith praising Lonnie Frisbee...in that video.

Ive posted about Kathyrn Khulman before, definitely a Catholic inspired mystic there. When I see videos of her, I can tell she was is in with the demons.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/06/kathyrn-khulman-and-chuck-smith.html

Bible Believer said...

Watching these videos, do you see how intently Kuhlman stares at Lonnie...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCvH9NOTSzw

Wonder if she is serving as some sort of "handler" [she makes at least one satanic hand sign at him I see--- "handlers" make hand signs at their charges, some will know what I am talking about]

Who is the man to the left of Chuck Smith? Do you know?

Khulman, anyone who is saved, can see what spirit she is of....[NOT the Holy Spirit]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs9teFcE86w&feature=related

lots of hand signs here, subliminals?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbBUXkJ-wyc&feature=related

Notice in the Pope picture, she is wearing black with a black veil...Well Mrs. Obama did last year too, that is a dress of acquiesence and submission to the Pope. They all love the Pope, I have a picture I know I have posted on this blog of Crouch meeting the Pope, and handshakes around.

http://images.suite101.com/3117465_com_kathryn_kuhlman_with_pope_paul_vi.jpg

With John Crowder...

Yes its on down the line, ever find it interesting how they all KNOW each other or have ties to each other going back to 30 plus years?

http://www.thenewmystics.com/Articles/1000041073/Home_Page_of/About_Us/John_and_Lily/Lilys_Story.aspx

" Later, at the age of 15, Lonnie was at a home group meeting I attended. I remember him calling me out specifically with a word of knowledge and I was baptized with the Holy Spirit. I fell to the floor shaking. I was the only one in the room that this happened to, and I didn’t know what hit me."

"Slain in the spirit" via Lonnie Frisbee not a good sign, if anything probably had some demons transferred.

Well let's remember WHO ELSE got "saved" via Lonnie Frisbee...

Greg Laurie...

http://blog.greglaurie.com/?page_id=9

Bible Believer said...
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Bible Believer said...

Make sure you read the last few comments at this blog entry, about LAUREL CANYON, check that website out, and how intermingled everything was.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/06/jesus-movement-exploded-in-america.html

miguel said...

Hi Bible Believer

I have more new info on the LCJE and parties that are involved you and know some of them, now they have been committing spiritual whoredom, can we be in touch in 3 weeks as I am building a bigger profile the LCJE infrastructure is part of the World Council of Churches.

I also have new info on the Board of Refs for J4J this includes R.T Kendal, J.John who his church has been involved with Todd Bentley, Gerald Coates etc.

and their is more.

and their is more, I can prove this.

miguel said...

Also J4J runs the LCJE.

Anonymous said...

last comment first paragraph was supposed to say "and you know some of them"

Bible Believer said...

Wow very interesting Miguel, I would like to see that information.

I don't know if you were on this blog yet when I wrote this about Ariel Fructembaum:

"This group LCJE, which Ariel Fructembaum used to head the North American division, is part of the Lausanne Committee, is an ECUMENICAL GROUP, started by Billy Graham. Jews for Jesus by the way is known to have ecumenical ties as well with many websites exposing their compromises with Roman Catholicism."

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/08/why-does-jacob-prasch-endorse-lausanne.html

I didn't know about the LCJE being in with the WCC, but definitely the WCC and Lausanne go together.

http://www.oikoumene.org/en/news/news-management/eng/a/article/1634/wcc-general-secretary-add-1.html

Thats not good considering Jews for Jesus...and I didn't know they ran the LCJE either...