Monday, July 18, 2011

Scary Stuff From Perry Noble

Perry Noble Tells Church Members: "You Officially Suck as a Human Being" If You Don't Like the Music from FBCJax Watchdog on Vimeo.

Remember Perry Noble was invited to The Elephant Room discussions with Greg Laurie, Furtick and others. This guy is an obvious deceiver. What amazes me is that anyone of any sense would sit there listening to this man berate people over their music tastes, perhaps some discernment is happening or the older folks are tired of having their eardrums blasted out from "Christian" rock. He insults the members who avoid the music part of the services. The worse is telling them they are not allowed to leave the church service even to go the bathroom claiming "distraction". Visions of control freak EST cult types who used to not let their participants use the bathroom for hours come up to my head. What is scary to me is the laughter when he puts down people using low class language who don't embrace all the church's music. Then he tells parents they can't take their kids to services. Of course many churches do Sunday School during services, but he tells them they are not allowed at all.

One thing with false preachers is they do think very highly of themselves and become control freaks.You see it time and time again, they are so so arrogant and narcissistic. I remember witnessing a control freak pastor in the local fundamentalist church [the only one for miles] and walking out. This man was literally yelling at the people in the pews. If a pastor has no respect or love for fellow Christians, then there is no reason to be there. Oppressive rule freaks, run from them. One blogger writes:

"It ain’t easy being a member these days at NewSpring Church pastored by Perry Noble – the rules, the regulations, the sheep beatings, the curses.

According to Perry Noble, you “officially suck as a human being” if you express to Perry that you are purposely late to church because you like his preaching but don’t care for the music style.

NewSpring members need to be careful that their church doesn’t begin to fall into the category of a cult. Cults often begin by having a very demanding, charismatic leader, they will require conformity with rigid extra-biblical rules, they will devalue outsiders and non-conformists, and they will suppress dissent.

You see all four of these beginning to emerge at NewSpring. Not saying they are a cult, but when the charismatic leader starts telling people that :
- they can’t come back into the auditorium after the sermon starts even if they leave to tend to a child or go to the bathroom;
- that you suck as a human being if you disagree with the pastor over music styles;
- you are not allowed to designate how your donations are spent;
- you must give 10% of your income to the church un-designated or God will curse you;
- parents cannot bring children younger than 12 years of age into the church services;
- you must show up to church on time or you can’t get into the church service;

…then you better begin to get concerned."

I'm concerned about those who sit there and accept this stuff day after day too.


Labby said...

The hand positions at 2:34 are very interesting to me. Who is he, Richard Nixon? That is very interesting to me and whether he did it on purpose or not, that signals something to me.

When pastors start being rude or irreverent and picking on people in the congregation as the butt of jokes at their expense, that is not respectful and is common amongst the wolves.

Bible Believer said...

Yeah that's a hand signal for pointing that out there is a few subtle ones, but that is an obvious one, the double "V" signs at 2:34. They love doing that sort of a thing making a mockery of those they even are speaking before.

Bible Believer said...

someone doing a double "V" like that is NOT by accident at all. That is NOT a natural hand gesture, especially as he is not talking about anything relative to it.

Anonymous said...

So obviously a wolf, that one sitting at his feet has to be totally blind and deaf. How pathetic!

13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

16I say again, let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little.

17That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting.

18Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also.

19For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.

20For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face. 2 Cor. 11

Anon. #1

Bible Believer said...

I can't imagine that any saved people are in that church, they are lost people going to play church with a wolf. Wolves bring spiritual abuse, 2 Cor 11 is right about that, the wolves bring spiritual bondage and abuse, interesting that verses speaks of smiting on the face. He insults his church members. That is why I walked out of the local fundamentalist church and never returned. Any church pastor that has no love for the brethern is a total wolf. From what I have seen, the false pastors love control and I have seen within 10 years, that growing, they are matching the growing police state and tyranny outside the church door and bringing it within. I have heard even some of these churches hvae guards in there.

I hope the ones who can't stand the bad music, once Perry Noble insulted them ended up staying home the next Sunday.

Love that line, "for ye suffer fools gladly" [that sure applies to that video]

Abbey said...

It's unbelievable that nobody got up and walked out. Really, why would they go back week after week to be berated AND CURSED at?! Someone ought to tell him that HE sucks as a preacher AND as a human being. I don't understand how anyone would like his "preaching". His behavior is atrocious. Wake up people! He's not a follower of Jesus and he certainly doesn't exhibit any of His qualities.

Bible Believer said...

Maybe they did. I HOPE a few did, but this guy keeps getting plenty of numbers in that church, and that should scare us alone. Why are GROWN MEN, allowing themselves, wives and children be talked down like that? They should be protecting their family from verbal abuse like that. I think he is a terrible human being too. Even someone like him it is not too late for him to repent [there is a change he is given over to reprobation] and come to Jesus Christ and leave Satan and his ways behind. The whole thing is a shame watching people be so deluded.

Anonymous said...

GROWN MEN allow it because it's called putting a covering atop their heads and dishonoring Christ. There should never be anyone standing between him and Christ--never. The fact that this is occurring is in itself a defect, and for many spiritual laziness or allowing the cares of the world to take front and center stage while Jesus Christ gets relegated to whatever time is left after pursuing the world. Many of those men use pastors as their replacement for their own study of Scripture. This is precisely what it means when a man (not a woman) puts a covering atop himself spiritually. It also reveals that they have no Faith in the Word and the Holy Spirit to teach them and do not believe they can learn unless they are sitting at the feet of their favorite pastors and commentators. Each man is personally answerable to Jesus Christ.

How would it look if a vice president of this country decided that he was going to fore-go answering to the president and that he would instead listen to the British prime minister or the Russian premier? It would be looked upon as treason. In the same way, each believing man is to answer to the only other One who is over him--Jesus Christ. It is indeed a shame that this occurs. Anon. #1

Bible Believer said...

Agree! good post anon #1

Anonymous said...

Why are you tearing people down? If you're concerned about how he speaks - why follow suit with him and berate him? As the body of Christ we've got to start working together instead of bashing each other. The world sees this and runs!

Bible Believer said...

This is not to tear people down, if anything the people being tore down are the ones in the pews. Maybe a few will read this article and realize they are following a false preacher. Not everyone belongs to the Body of Christ who claims that they do.

Anonymous said...

Wow! A false preacher? Really? How arrogant to think that you are able to determine who really belongs to the body of Christ versus those who claim to be, but really aren't. I can't believe that you said, "I can't imagine that any saved people are in that church, they are lost people going to play church with a wolf." How can you make a statement like that? Do you know any of them? Are you God? It's His place to say who is and who isn't a true believer of Christ.
I believe we should have the attitude of the following verses.
John 13:34-35 - words of Jesus
34 So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other. 35 Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples.”
Ephesians 4:1-6 -
1 Therefore I, a prisoner for serving the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of your calling, for you have been called by God. 2 Always be humble and gentle. Be patient with each other, making allowance for each other’s faults because of your love. 3 Make every effort to keep yourselves united in the Spirit, binding yourselves together with peace. 4 For there is one body and one Spirit, just as you have been called to one glorious hope for the future. 5 There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 and one God and Father, who is over all and in all and living through all.

Bible Believer said...

One doesn't have to be arrogant to discern a false preacher. I have watched videos of his preaching for myself, and know Perry Noble is supported by false preacher Rick Warren, and is tied to the ecumenical movement.

He has done sermons so nasty, I can't even post the content here, trying to keep this blog, at least PG in content. Google "Nice Christian boys"

He and Steven Furtick and other false preachers share the stage.

Support of cussing...

Christians may cuss and have to go repent, but to praise it is twisted!

He is part of the false ecumenical seeker sensitive, movement, and the fruits speak for themselves.

He has called people "jack****es* from the pulpit.

Supported cussing in children-see link above, played AC/DC during a service, including a song with satanic lyrics.

{I listened to AC/DC as a young teen via a male relative who loved them and fully repented of it's music, I would be disgusted to find it in a church, the band glorifies everything evil and has been used to bring young people into wickedness}

Interesting his band leader has a skull T-shirt guess they had to make the picture complete.

Only the spiritually blind, would see this guy as a "Christian".

Now I'll allow that in his church there may be newbies, babes in the Lord, and a few who just do not know better, but anyone with an ounce of Christian maturity is going to realize something is off with this man, and what he is preaching and promoting and his role to play in the ecumenical evangelical church.

Do you really believe Christians cannot discern who is born again and not born again?

They can.

1Cr 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

This false idea, that we are to bumble along thinking everyone who says "HI I am a Christian" really is is totally false and opens people to the wolves. All the nice words in the world cannot cover up the false teachings of Perry Noble and New Spring church.

Many will abuse Bible verses, to teach people to embrace wolves and accept every lying false teacher as a "fellow Christian".

Not going to work here.

I hope and pray you can see through Perry Noble, and understand his teachings are misleading many. Will pray for you the Holy Spirit is able to show you.

Perry Noble is not a fellow brother in Christ, sorry to be blunt but there it is. His actions go beyond someone who is merely confused but seem to speak of a knowing deceiver, including the mockery and insults levied at his own congregation as shown in the original blog article.

Anonymous said...

I've glanced at some of your blogs on this website and I have one question - exactly who is a Christian? It seems you think many, many people are false teachers. Do you have to be a part of a certain denomination or church? You seem to dismiss way too many people. What church do you go to? I'd like to check out their beliefs and practices.
May you have your eyes open to the Spirit's leading as well.

Bible Believer said...

Christians are those who are truly born again, and some of the fruits of that, is discernment and a love for God's Word. Not dismissing it, and jumping on every fancy fad and trend. Many people in the pews are well meaning but in ignorance following these teachers. We are in the great falling away now. Read the book of Jude.

Anonymous said...

From what I've heard from Perry Noble he doesn't dismiss the Word. True - he uses some methods that not everyone is comfortable using. But, I don't think he dismisses the Word. I will go and read Jude right now. Last question - what church do you go to? I'd like to check it out.

Bible Believer said...

Read my testimony, the churches I have gone to, are listed within. My beliefs are outlined over this entire blog. I'm glad you are going to read the book of Jude. Do you believe the churches could be in the great falling away?

Anonymous said...

Are you currently attending a church? If so - what church is that?

Bible Believer said...

Read these:

Many Christians are without a church and like me, really wish there was one in their area that preached the truth but sadly since the evidence seems to be gathering this is the type of the great falling away, there are more like me, finding that there is no church that preaches the truth in their area.

Another blog post where I talked about the time in my past church...which was a positive experience. I still have contact with some of these old church members.

I refuse to attend a church that is joined with the ecumenical system [that includes the Lausanne World Evangelical ecumenical system] or one world religion.

That wipes out about 99% of them.

I attended a decent IFB for some years. You can see that above. [This is not an endorsement of everything IFB by the way, Dominionism is getting to be a great problem in fundamentalist churches as well as the others]

If you are going to play the "you have to be in a church" game to be valid, that is false. There are many Christians like myself. Many of the church people are decent, I've met friendly ones all over, but the pastors are false. Some of these people have told me they discern that the pastor is false, but stick with the church not wanting 'to be alone".

From the guy at the local fundamentalist church who preached that Christians have to blindly obey the government and never criticize whatever sitting president to the one who wanted church members signing a contract to never criticize him, sometimes I wonder if any truly sincere men are even being allowed in the pulpits anymore in some places. This isn't even getting into the ecumenism, Rick Warren, Emergent teachings etc.

Why should any Christian give in to false teaching just to have a church?

You seem to want to throw me into some sort of "church" box.

You do not see that we were in the great falling away now? Isn't what is exposed on this blog, enough evidence of that?

Anonymous said...

It is God's desire (as the entirety of Scripture points out) that we participate in a local body of Christ. The Christian life is intended to be lived in real - not virtual - community. God is the keeper of truth - not a single, solitary person. Therefore, I think it absolutely critical for a Christian to be in a local church.
God rebukes Elijah in 1 Kings when he thinks he's the only true follower of God left in Israel. God points out that there are 7,000 other God followers in the nation.
Just don't think you're looking at Scripture correctly or you have some confused theology.

Bible Believer said...

Do you think any Christian enjoys being out of Christian fellowship? Every Christian I know who cannot find a decent church, really suffers grief over not having one. Not having a fellow body of believers that is local is very tough. Some Christians may be able to make the choice to move out of a godless or an area lacking a good church but that is not possible for all. These hirelings have scattered the flock and done untold damage to the lives of many. You do realize the Bible warns about that during the last days. That is happening NOW. What do you think happened even during Roman Catholic days, where it was the harlot or nothing?
Today it is the harlot and it's daughters and almost nothing.

So what is your answer join up with whatever apostate church there is? Look at this blog, do you expect me to go be a hypocrite and be under a pastor who think Rick Warren is the greatest thing since sliced bread and can't even discern the new world order?

There are many areas now without even a decent fundamentalist Christian church [some of those have fallen for the family integrated model, Dominionism and or have a wolf in the pulpit].

It's the ones in the pulpits with confused theology. And no I do not think I am perfect. I also believe there are many others like myself, who love God and want to keep in His Truth, and realize the churches are not teaching it.

Anonymous said...

Where do you live that there is NO true Christian witness? I find that difficult to believe.

Bible Believer said...

In individuals yes there is,

churches nope.

Anonymous said...

I believe that it's God's will for you to be involved in a local congregation. I think you need to examine your beliefs and see if maybe you've added to God's instructions in the Bible. I don't know how else to explain that you apparently think there are no Bible believing churches in your area. I think you're going to be amazed when you get to Heaven and find there are more there than you thought there would be.

Anonymous said...

So - what exactly is wrong with Rick Warren? Is he a Christian? Why or why not?

Bible Believer said...

No he is not.

The CFR membership and desire to work with the Beast United Nations should be enough for you to discern about him.

Bible Believer said...

So join any church just to have a church is your advice? By the way, I just wrote I am open to a good house church or small one but refuse to compromise on the truth. I have been told by others, who always defend false teachers--hmmm guess that makes sense--to attend a false church instead of being out of one. And should I believe you about heaven being a broad way, or what the bible says about it being a narrow way?

Anonymous said...

Heaven is a narrow way, but I think there will be more than a handful of people there. The way you talk there are only a handful of believers in the entire world. It seems to me that you've tried to make your little box and force God into it. ANYONE who believes in Jesus Christ as the way to Heaven, receiving Him as their Lord and Savior, accepting His forgiveness of sin based on what Jesus did on the cross and with His resurrection will be saved. I don't know what requirements you've attached to that.

What exactly do you mean by "CFR membership"? Also, what do you mean by the Beast United Nations?
From what I can tell (by reading him, meeting him, and hearing him preach) - Rick is an orthodox Christ follower.
Once again - I don't think it's your place (or mine for that matter) to judge a person's eternal relationship with God (or lack thereof).

Bible Believer said...

I used to hear the "don't force God into a box" stuff in the UU church, odd how that is a comment now popular among the fallen churches. They used it to say God was present in all religions. The Bible says there will be a remnant. Is that a small amount of people or a large one?
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

We don't need to quibble about the numbers but ask yourself why you follow preachers who are loved by the world, and who are hailed in the circles of the powerful. Perhaps you should study the CFR 'Council for Foreign Relations" and the other power brokers that are part of the new world order. False churches will lead you to go along with Satan's program for the world. That means supporting the plans for one world government and the mark of the beast via the United Nations now being advanced by the Pope and the global elites which Rick Warren is definitely involved in via his P.E.A.C.E program.

Those who are saved in a false "jesus" will not be born again. I cringe when I see some of you refer to "christ" always never using the term Jesus Christ. That term "Christ follower" instead of the more direct Christian can be another marker. Why not call himself a Christian instead? I guess I can see why, he isn't really one.

Actually, why wouldn't a Christian be able to tell a fellow Christian from a fake? Especially as we get into the last days here, you think Christians won't be given some discernment to realize between a foe or a friend? The "do not judge" mantras actually is the most abused verse in the Bible, and misused, kind of insuinating everyone be stumbling around in the darkness and ignorance. The Bible says this as well..

1Cr 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

After I was born again, I knew Rick Warren was a deceiver. I had just come out of the Catholic church. With him there is no doubt, with endless new world order connections, false preaching [I read Purpose Drive Life by the way, and it was all about THIS WORLD and false teachings] and more. I pray you can wake up and get your mind out of the fog [the do not judge mantra] that puts people to sleep and realize what both Perry Noble and Rick Warren are about. Please read this article too. This may help. Not everyone who says they are born again truly are.

Anonymous said...

Again - I ask you - what are the biblical requirements to become a Christ follower? Please answer this question so that I can know where you're coming from.

The reason I choose to use that term is because I believe that it more accurately describes what we are called to do - follow Christ. We don't just get "fire insurance." We're called to actually follow Him and His teachings. After all - in almost every situation Jesus said "Follow me" to those He called. (But, I have no problem using the word Christian either.) It's not what word is used for a person that matters. What matters is the relationship they have with God through Jesus Christ that matters.

I also take offense at what sounds like you saying I'm not a Christian. I'm basing this on your paragraph - "Those who are saved in a false "jesus" will not be born again. I cringe when I see some of you refer to "christ" always never using the term Jesus Christ. That term "Christ follower" instead of the more direct Christian can be another marker. Why not call himself a Christian instead? I guess I can see why, he isn't really one." You have never met me to be able to say or insinuate that I'm not a Christian.

I believe you are adding many man made things to Christianity - much like the Pharisees did with Judaism.

Bible Believer said...

Hey the Bible says examine yourself to see if you are in the faith.

Your defense of false teachers is worrisome though, and here you were warned, so you cannot claim ignorance. Where is the discernment.

There is a difference between someone who is born again sitting in a pew and simply doesn't know [is ignorant] and someone who has been told and warned and fights the truth.

I don't think further argument will be worthwhile.

Sure there could be saved people who have picked up that modern new term not realizing why the word CHRISTIAN got replaced.

Praying for you that you realize you are defending false teachers here.

Anonymous said...

And why did the word Christian get replaced? I have no clue of what you're talking about.

Bible Believer said...

Why do all these false preachers use CHRIST FOLLOWER instead of CHRISTIAN?

See this post...

Anonymous said...

I went to my King James Version concordance to count the number of times that Christ shows up in the New Testament without the name Jesus beside it. I lost count. Did you not realize that in the Bible - God's Holy Word - that many, many more times than not the title Christ is used as opposed to Jesus Christ. How can that be? I think your premise in the above blog is completely off base. Just look to the Scripture. It's not a sin to call Him Christ. That is a biblical term after all.

Bible Believer said...

Sure I have even used the word "Christ", myself, but I am talking about those who never use the term JESUS CHRIST at all. You'll read 10 paragraphs and not once do they ever refer to Jesus Christ.

Anonymous said...

You're backing off of what you stated. You haven't answered my question about how the term CHRISTian is any different than CHRIST follower. They both say Christ - not Jesus. So, why the big deal with Christ follower?

Jesus is the Christ. When I say Christ I mean Jesus. When I say Jesus I mean Christ. They are one and the same.

Anonymous said...

Your thoughts on my last post?

Bible Believer said...

Why the change? There are some innocents who use the term who are Christians, but why do these false preachers use "Christ follower" instead of Christian.

When language is changed, that is when you have to watch out. When they come up with new terms and phrases, that is when the hoodwinking begins, like the Emergents and their new terms like Missional, etc.

Anonymous said...

Sorry - but you didn't answer my question. Originally you said that it's wrong to say Christ without Jesus also. When I pointed out that tons of Scripture does this you acknowledged that at times you'll say Christ without saying Jesus Christ. Then, when I asked what the difference was between CHRISTian and CHRIST follower you didn't answer my question.

You said "when language is changed..." You do realize that God hasn't commanded us to be called Christians, right? So, there's nothing biblically wrong with changing the wording to Christ follower. It just takes emphasizes that we are to actually follow Jesus and His teachings once we accept His forgiveness and grace.

What's wrong with the word missional? Aren't we called as individual Christians and as the church to be on mission for God?

Bible Believer said...

You just aren't getting it. They change the language to change the thinking.

Anonymous said...

No - you just aren't getting it. Some people have chosen different wording (from Christian - which isn't mandated by Scripture) in order to more clearly communicate what it means to be a Christian, a believer, a person who's been born again, a follower of The Way. Once a person becomes a Christian we are called to follow Jesus. Almost every time Jesus called a disciple He said, "Follow me." So, Christ follower sounds like it's a biblical idea.

And you still haven't answered my question - what the difference is - they both use the word "Christ" in them.

How does one become a Christian? What does it mean to you for a person to be a Christian?

Anonymous said...

What do you think "they" are trying to accomplish with this change of language?

Bible Believer said...

Apostasy of the church, which essentially has already happened. The Emergents have managed to wipe away the concept known as absolute truth with their abuse of the English language.

Anonymous said...

Wow - that's a tremendous leap! Whether a person says Christian or Christ follower has absolutely nothing to do with apostasy or absolute truth or Emergent. Sorry, but your logic just doesn't add up.

By the way - you still haven't answered my other question either. I've asked you numerous times - How does one become a Christian? What does it mean for a person to be a Christian? Please answer this question. I need to know what you believe on this topic.

Anonymous said...

Just wondering if you're planning on answering my question about how someone can become a Christian.

Bible Believer said...

I have answered you already.

When one is born again in Jesus Christ they become a Christian.

This doesn't mean that everyone who says they are a Christian are one. Those who cannot discern the truth about the one world religion and the false evangelical churches are not showing fruit of salvation.

Bible Believer said...

To the guy who has sent me 10 plus messages about how does one become a Christian, I answered your question already, and one can see a link Salvation Made Plain, where that is answered as well. One fruit of salvation is discernment. Looks like Perry Noble's church has moved beyond another heavy metal favorite into revamping satanic tunes for their apostate church. WARNING music based on satanic OZZY Osbourne.! By the way I listened to Ozzy music [in high school, I moved on to worse music before I repented] This is one reason I am absolutely horrified finding out about this, because looking at the luciferian music industry, Ozzy is definitely one of those who is 'owned". If I saw this in any church I was in, I would walk out and protest.! Now tell me again about how Perry Noble is a real Christian teacher?

Anonymous said...

He's a real teacher.

Derek said...

I'm an owner at NewSpring. I LOVE seeing people's lives changed through confession of Jesus Christ and baptism through the Holy Spirit. It is absolutely AMAZING how God is using Perry and NewSpring. I LOVE MY CHURCH!!!

Anonymous said...

I am a Newspring Member.I rran across this blog. I want you to know that I was saved when I was 17. I have been to southern baptist, northern baptist, (from the north) church of God. Catholic( because a lot of my family are catholic) this church is different, different in the way tut I feel our Lord Jesus Christ there more thn I ever have at any other church. I would like to set the record straight on a few things. When you leave the auditorium for an emergency, they would have to turn lights beckon, and open doors, eye, try to let you ind your seat, it would is tract from the sermon if tons of people I'd that throughout the message. I have seen children in there that are maybe 8 or 9. Although my daughter always went to the Kid's services, which are by far superior in teaching The Lord than the felt boards I grew up on. The kds love it, and parents don't complain because we don't have to worry about giving our kids coloring books and keeping them "entertained" because they are bored. We can actually listen to the message. While our children really hear the gospel. I have never been told that I have to give 10% or I will be cursed. When we discuss tithing it is that God will bless us, and it doesn't matter where we give it, it could be your church. I can write n the bottom of my check where I would like my tithe to go. it could be a missionary, our Kenya trips, building, fund, love offering that may be going on. Our campus, or the whole church. Our pastor is not perfect and will be the and to tell you that. I ask you to come visit, instead of copy and pasting bits and pieces, or clips of video. I have seen so many lives changed. You can feel The Holy Spirit, and I feel our church is being blessed because of this. Why is it ok in today's society to condemn a church for growing? And ok for a church to still have the same 200 members? It sounds a lot like the religious leaders that Jesus had to deal with . Are we not asked to o out and spread the word? Our music is a mixture, we may have an occasional secular song tie into a message or to be funny.. We have hymns just like every other church. Can we not shout to the rooftops for Jesus? I ask you to pray or our church and Pastor, as I will for yours. I know that God led me to Newspring Church. My name is Cathy, I am not a staff member, I am a wife, photographer and mother, who loves Jesus and my church.

Anonymous said...

Perry Noble is another emergent false teacher. Not looking to preach faith alone in Jesus Christ alone. But looking to do the same "lordship salvation" lie as the rest of them.

Anonymous said...

Ok I'm going to say something in defense of Newspring. For starters, I am an astute Bible reader and what Perry preaches is biblical. I have been to Newspring many times. The rule of not being admitted to services after sermon starts is because it can be a big distraction. You have to admit that there are way too many people in churches who get up way too often and it can be a big distraction. They do have screens and seats in the lobby so you can continue to enjoy the service. I have been in traditional churches where that same rule is applied. Secondly need to learn on their age level. Many churches have what they call children's church so why is there such a problem if Newspring does it. Many sermons, in all churches, go above kids heads any way so it needs to be age appropriate. They are allowed to designate tithes!

AlexKenas said...

2 Peter 2 describes false teachers like Perry Noble perfectly.