Sunday, July 24, 2011

Bad Politics in the Churches: Scott Spages and Calvary Chapel Faith Forum

This is a video by a Calvary Chapel member named Scott Spages, go ahead and watch it.

Scott Spages writes on different websites, including this one where his bio states:

"Scott Spages’s lifelong fascination with history, economics and politics has led to him being a political activist for over 25 years. He leads Faith Forum at Calvary Chapel Ft. Lauderdale, which is a monthly meeting, special events, and active participation designed to empower Christians to impact America in the arenas of government and democracy through faith and education. [Check the Good News calendar.] He believes it is an essential component of the Great Commission that we know and profess the Christian heritage of America!"

Now back to the video.....

Hey some may sound good to you, what Christian loves socialism or think Obama is a great president? However, notice how he is a spokesman for the "right" side of the false NWO dynamic. For newbies, read this article: "Left Wing and Right Wing Are Both A Lie" I also have many articles about the false religious right, Dominionism and more, throughout this blog. He also eludes to the mythic version of history often promoted by the Dominionist right with the later references to George Washington.

He's fallen for the false "right" side of the NWO...How is the Republican party any different, when the Republican bail-outs happened, it was basically the Nazi "socialist program" when Hitler nationalized all the industries....[tax payers paying for the bail-outs for mega-bankers and multi-national companies?]

He refers to "The collective will of the people?" "we want this type of decision going on in the marketplace?"...Has he been asleep through 2008? He honestly thinks that this country with TSA strip searching our citizens, and selling out to the oligarchy even still even CARES about the "will" of the people? Even the markets have gone against the people of America in the sell out to globalism to exploit and oppress the rest of the world. We have been sold out to China in the meantime. There are many like him out there, who believe the same way, seeing what is wrong on one side and not the other.

He goes on to say: "Collective thought is a more relational way to go for society to go" The Visions of the Borg [remember Star Trek the Next Generation? come forth;. For years, I have written on message boards and elsewhere, the push to "collective thought", which used to be the mantra of the socialist left only, but now adapted by both sides, also called "the common good", is pure evil. The decent aspects of Western civilization were based on the "rights" of the individual. So many have forgotten this.

He goes forth to praise the Tea Party, the Tea Party is just as NWO as the rest of it, the Tea Party, while seeming to be a real grassroots movement at it's start and with many well meaning people, has been co-opted now being used by the wealthy bankers, to brainwash the populace in blaming the poor rather then questioning the trillions sent over seas.

OK, the video continues. Spages tells us, he wants the church more involved in the political system, that is a definite RED FLAG! He gives forth the usual theocracy line, he actually expects a true born again Christian as a president? The ignorance regarding even the existence of the new world order is not surprising, but sad to see.

This would be understandable, though lamentable, Spages would fit the category of many Christians, MANY of them out there, you know the kind of folks, who'd go to a Glenn Beck rally while being very sincere but deluded, the types who are RIGHTLY concerned about Obama, and socialism, but fooled by the religious right, and blinded to realities regarding the wicked leaders of this world.

It's shame, to see anyone fall for the false political dance, and so many pastors take this path but what is even worse, Spage heads a group called The Calvary Chapel Faith Forum at Bob Coy's Calvary Chapel Ft. Lauderdale church. I suspect there are probably many groups like this of all flavors out there.

Faith Forum is a Community Group at Calvary Chapel Ft. Lauderdale that meets monthly to learn about, discuss, and become involved in the politics of America. We host a broad range of topics and speakers. Our aim to make the world a better place to live by bringing Christianity into the “public square” and to honor God by pursuing justice and righteousness in our public policy and leadership. Our goal is to better inform and involve you! There’s no cost and you do not need to register. Just show up!

It's mission statement on the banner states: "Empowering Christians to impact America in the arenas of government and democracy through faith and education" It definitely has the 7 mountains flavor.

The website has this little video....where Bob Coy, basically does a "Have You Voted" infomercial...

Like Americans have a choice? We get Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, both chosen by the CFR or Bildenbergers. In a small town, one may get a valid vote for mayor and dog catcher but that's about it.

The "Are you Registered to Vote" banner is to the right on the website. They are gearing up for the 2012 election like many other religious right organizations. Bob Coy tells us, that these are people "we put in power"...sure that is what many believe....[I do not believe that voting is valid anymore, ie not really counted]. Some may disagree with me on this.

Now I want to show you this page. For a long time on this blog, I have spoken of Calvary Chapel's BAD POLITICS. The Boykin connections, the praise for the money-draining useless Middle Eastern wars but these links will tell you something and what Bob Coy's church supports. Now I know not everyone is going to be 100% in agreement with every link they post, I have ones I do not agree with I have used for information in articles, but some of these links will make you wonder...

Calvary Chapel Faith Forum Links

There is the usual array of "religious right" links...."American Center for Law and Justice", Eagle Forum", "The National Day of Prayer" but why is CATHOLIC VOTE on there seemingly as a valid source of information and go-to source? Remember my warnings how abortion and culture wars have been used to promote evangelical and Catholic unity?

"Catholic Vote
A faith based educational program dedicated to informing all Americans about the critical issues in the public policy arena. A project of the Fidelis Center for Law and Policy, committed to producing powerful programs designed to help a new generation visualize and therefore create a Culture of Life."

But that's not the only Catholic group on there.

"Fidelis Center for Law & Policy
Fidelis (Latin for faithful) is the universal name for a group of Catholic-based political, legal, research, and educational organizations whose collective mission it is to formulate, promote, and defend public policies that uphold religious freedom, human life from conception to natural death, and the traditional institutions of marriage and family."

Looks to me like another example of false politics misleading like usual...

"The Republican Party just talks about not having to pay taxes," continues Dasher, a lector at St. Ann Catholic Church in West Palm Beach. "Then they borrow to pay for war."

Across the aisle is Scott Spages, who co-chairs Calvary Chapel’s monthly Faith Forum, a politics-themed gathering with an average attendance of 40. Spages believes the Republican Party best fits the biblical model of government."

This is more of the Republican as "God's Party" stuff. The right-left charade while the real deceptions go on. The same party that is now telling the poor, disabled and elderly of American they can go sleep in the gutter even though Social security was supposed to be a self sustaining separate program aside from the rest of the budget, along with their Democratic helpers, who gave billions of dollars bail-outs to Wall Street, and trillions sent over seas, and have brought us TSA and Homeland Security and who are now dismantling the Constitution as we now speak...

Check this out:

WASHINGTON -- Debt ceiling negotiators think they've hit on a solution to address the debt ceiling impasse and the public's unwillingness to let go of benefits such as Medicare and Social Security that have been earned over a lifetime of work: Create a new Congress.

This "Super Congress," composed of members of both chambers and both parties, isn't mentioned anywhere in the Constitution, but would be granted extraordinary new powers.

I guess soon they aren't even going to pretend anymore this is the same country...

Ever notice that no INDEPENDENT thinkers ever make it to the pulpit or in this case a church position of note? I believe there is a reason for that. Poisonous politics meet false religion, and many falsely trained or knowing deceivers themselves, leading the way. Bad leftist politics for the UUs and liberal and mainline churches, and bad religious right politics for the evangelical world.

Church and state married together fooling you.


Anonymous said...

To call this a "christian" form of government I believe is blasphemous. This government is a Greco-Roman government, and always has been. It is centered around the deification of man. Deists for the most part founded it, with ties to the Masonic Lodge. It is no surprise therefore that this country is spiraling downward because it was founded upon sand--as all other kingdoms before it. Therefore, what is occurring to it is inevitable. When we taught our children at home, I couldn't find any history text books that told the truth of the matter. They either were anti christianity, or they were deifying the founding "fathers". I had to put together my own research to teach them. Also I've been rebuked by "christians" for having not voted, and in one case, very uncharitably. They just don't get it. Anon. #1

Bible Believer said...

I agree, to call this govt "Christian" is blasphemous, especially with the constant evils and corruptions being exposed daily if we are going to even just deal with today, and not the historical. Some have said America was set up to help usher in the one world government even centuries ago, kind of brings a new view to all that "melting pot" stuff. With history text books, yes they are totally skewed, most of the homeschooling materials, have such biased Dominionist myths about the founding of the country, where just about every founder is presented as a "great Christian" and we know this was not true.

I used to vote, but no longer do, I learned the third parties are totally "owned", and infiltrated via even research done on other matters. Even if one votes in primaries, that is a waste as those chosen by the new world order and financed by the big money and corporations always win. How do we know the votes are even counted with the electronic monkeying around? If you live in a rural area, voting for some localized politicians may still be legit but barely, most swear allegiance to either of the two parties busy betraying this country so the poison goes from the top down pretty far.

Look at these churches, here they go again promoting the Republican bot stuff yet again, even with Bush they didn't learn the lesson, even after seeing what trilions of dollars in war and the Patriot Act did to this country. Obama is just continuing all the agendas.

These pastors never have spoken out about what is really going on, do they talk openly about the economy or preparing their church members? How about what may happen to the elderly soon?
How about making a stand against the many evils taking over this country, like TSA? No they are part of the system. I sometimes suspect if a pastor is "new world order" aware he is drummed out, somehow. There are a few perhaps in fundamentalist churches if they haven't gotten brainwashed by the hyper-Dominionism and patriotism like what is presented in the newspaper named Sword of the Lord. You never see one, that thinks "different", or so incredibly rarely.

Mijadedios said...

Great Post! Keep up the good work!

Bible Believer said...

Thanks :)

Anonymous said...

I heard the Bob Jones U.S. history textbooks(available at rainbowresource and teach the deism of the Founding Fathers. They also are not Catholic friendly. Many home educators use them. Christian Liberty Press(Reformed theology) has a biography of Washington that discusses his Masonry membership. Landmark Freedom's 11th grade U.S. history book also mentions deism.

Bible Believer said...

Glad to hear some of them preach the truth about the founder's real beliefs and also about the Catholic church.

Anonymous said...

Chris Pinto is also to be recommended for doing extensive research on the real origins of this country and the truth of the faith of the founding fathers; their ties to freemasonry and the vatican. His web site is You might be familiar with some of his films such as "Riddles In Stone", "The Eye Of The Phoenix", "A Lamp In The Dark"...just to name a few. He just started a radio program that can be accessed from his site.

Anonymous said...

[Hello, Galatians 4. Saw this bit on the net & want to share it with you. Melody]


America's founders spoke highly of the Bible, even without teleprompters. But Barack Hussein Obama, even with teleprompters, studiously avoids the following Bible verses and the other related information:

Proverbs 19:10 (NIV): "It is not fitting for a fool to live in luxury - how much worse for a slave to rule over princes!"
Also Proverbs 30:22 (NIV) which says that the earth cannot bear up under "a servant who becomes king."
And Ecclesiastes 5:2-3 (KJV) advises: "let thy words be few...a fool's voice is known by multitude of words."
Although Obama is not descended from slaves, he may feel that he's destined to become a black-slavery avenger.
Or maybe an enslaver of all free citizens!
For some stunning info on Pres. Obama and his fellow subversives, Google "Imam Bloomberg's Sharia Mosque," "Michelle Obama's Allah-day," "Obama Supports Public Depravity," "David Letterman's Hate Etc.," "Un-Americans Fight Franklin Graham" and also "Sandra Bernhard, Larry David, Kathy Griffin, Bill Maher, Joan Rivers, Sarah Silverman." Also Google "Prof. F. N. Lee's ISLAM IN THE BIBLE [PDF]."
PS - Since Christians are commanded to ask God to send severe judgment on persons who commit and support the worst forms of evil (see I Cor. 5 and note "taken away"), Christians everywhere should constantly pray that the Lord will soon "take away" or at least overthrow all US leaders who continue to sear their conscience and arrogantly trample the God-given rights of the majority including the rights of the unborn. Do we need a second American Revolution?
PPS - For a rare look at the 181-year-old endtime belief which has long neutralized millions of American patriots by promising them an "imminent rapture" off earth - which has diverted them away from being prepared to stand against all enemies, domestic as well as foreign - Google "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty," "Pretrib Rapture Diehards," "Edward Irving is Unnerving," "Pretrib Rapture Secrecy," and "Pretrib Rapture - Hidden Facts" - all by the author of the bestselling nonfiction book "The Rapture Plot" (the most accurate and highly endorsed documentation on the pretrib rapture's long-covered-up-but-now-revealed beginnings in Britain in 1830 - see Armageddon Books). Also Google "Stamping Out Harold Camping."

Bible Believer said...

Thanks Melody,

I believe Obama is a Muslim, years ago finding out that his daughters did not celebrate their birthdays, well that is part of the Islam tradition.

I also believe the stuff about his origins being dubious even to be president.
That pastor of his was scary enough in telling us where Obama comes from.

Of course Obama seems to be the one setting up things for a more fascist right as the pendeulum swings to the other way for the Dominionists to take control. [Both left and right are a lie]

Looks like interesting information on the Rapture.