Tuesday, June 28, 2011

David Platt's Book: "Radical": Programming the Evangelical Churches for Globalism



David Platt is a young and upcoming preacher at The Church of Brooks Hill in Birmingham Alabama who has the support of Rick Warren, and who has signed the ecumenical Manhattan Declaration. This is becoming a popular book being read in Bible studies, and one of the latest trendy reads out there. I know of a Southern Baptist church using this book for it's Bible study. Lately I read this book, and couldn't believe my eyes, talk about a wily way to advance the UN program among evangelicals under a Christian guise! See this post I wrote today in context. It was meant to explain where I am coming from on this. This one did take some explaining because I didn't want people saying, "well what is wrong with helping the poor, missions, mission trips, or preaching the gospel to the lost?" Nothing but these things are being skewed for another agenda.

Radical
is a book which has a title of interest probably to draw in young eyes, as "radical" has been a word used like "cool" to lead the masses into "what's happening now" and what is hip. It also has the quality of being connected to being an "extremist" as "radical" means that too. One thing to watch out for is overused "buzz" words that will play on your emotions. Someone sees that title and thinks "Well I want to be radical for Jesus too!" Radical is for emotional teenagers, not seasoned Christian adults.



David Platt uses many Christian messages in this book, such as giving up things to follow Jesus...who he says of here:

"He was simply and boldly making it clear from the start that if you follow him, you abandon everything--your needs, your desires, even your family"
[p 10]

Of course these things are skewed for Platt's false messages in this book..While materialism can be a problem and people seeking after the things of this world, Platt hammers this point to bring in his false globalist gospel: [p 13]

"A nice-middle class, American Jesus. A Jesus who doesn't mind materialism and who would never call us to give away everything we have...."


David Platt must be one of the most out of touch individuals in America, but isn't that true for many of the mega church pastors? Hey I've met some of these guys, and they take many things for granted such as two week jaunts to Jamaica for missions work as economically viable for most people out there.

To David Platt, there seems to be no such thing as a poor or unemployed American outside of a few small inner city enclaves. I find myself thinking he needs to get out a bit more. David Platt's constant references to the "American Dream" as it is utterly failing, is the height of irony. I found myself thinking, has he ever left the suburbs?, when reading this on page 111:

"I wonder if followers of Christ 150 years from now will look back at Christians in America today and ask, "How could they live in such big houses? How could they drive such nice cars and wear such nice clothes? How could they live in such affluence while thousands of children were dying because they didn't have food and water? How could they go on with their lives as though the billions of poor didn't exist?" [page 111]


One question I want to ask, is how does it help the poor, for the wealthy to have their money or prosperity taken away? America for centuries has given the most money and aid to the world. With the above statement, one smells the slight whiff of class warfare and Marxism. Think of Maoist China, when the Communist revolution did away with all the landlords, arts, books and things of finer living to "equalize" society.

Luk 3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse [any] falsely; and be content with your wages.

I have dealt with these types online, who have said things, like "well even the poorest Americans have running water", as if we should return to having urchins in the gutters for the sake of the third world, and to be just like them. [course it could be going that way soon the way things are going]

He goes on to ask:


"More specifically is materialism a blind spot in your Christianity today? Surely there is something we must uncover for if our lives do not reflect radical compassion for the poor there is no reason to question just how effective we will be in declare the glory of Christ to the ends of the earth."


Poor people or anyone who has ever been poor know themselves, that a lot of this is utter silliness, the endless condemnation of people for having a decent standard of living, is foolishness, as if any poor will be helped once everyone is living in huts, the electrical grid is shut off, and there is no more clean water to drink. But remember my last article, think about this, the United Nations and Vatican, wants a poor America, they know the nations with a strong middle class and decent standard of living will demand more freedom, rather then oppression and being a new beaten down slave class for the elites. Thus the wealth clean out. This is more Vatican "vow of poverty" stuff. Being wealthy is not a sin, God does say it is harder for the rich not to depend on their money instead of God, but there were wealthy people in the Bible too who were good stewards of wealth. They exist today, helping who they can.

Platt goes on to write:

"The reality is that most everything in our lives in the American culture would be classified as a luxury, not a necessity. The computer I am writing this book on, the spoon and fork, I will eat my dinner with later this evening, wand the bed and pillow I will sleep on tonight [in addition to many other things in my life] are all luxuries."
Strange how he names many assets of civilization as being luxurious, as if we should all go back to living in huts and sleeping on dirt floors. The whole "you should feel guilty for having a decent standard of living and not living in squalor" is programming by the elites to embrace a new diminished status at their behest.

The economy is crashing in America but David Platt wants you to send more money to the third world, instead of helping your unemployed neighbor down the street whose about to lose his home. In David Platt's world, every American has a lavish suburban Mcmansion, two cars in the garage, endless shopping experiences and endless expendable income for frequent international jaunts overseas. He refers to these wealthy out of touch suburbanites, who by the way, remind me of the extreme liberals in the UU I dealt with while I worked and lived in the ghetto during my younger years, as feeling motivated to give up all their money to help the "third world". Looking back it seemed they wanted to assuage some odd misdirected "guilt", in the case of the UU, they obviously were not Christians being led by God to help those in need and preach the gospel. All of it sounds laudable doesn't it? But then a part of me, wonders about the "cool" factor in going overseas in a patronizing fashion to help the "downtrodden" natives. So called religious tourism. The real missionaries seem far more down to earth and not so pollyannish about foreign lands to me.

While us Americans, even the poor ones, may have food and water and heat unlike some poor third world folks, can someone do me a favor and send David Platt some recent news about the American economy? I find myself wondering if the fellow has opened a newspaper since 2008? 48% of Americans believe this country is going into a Great Depression...and I agree with them.

David Platt may be right about materialism and some of the problems that have led to America's demise. Many of these things do lead away from the gospel,but his solutions are more about the globalist agenda then doing anything for God. On Page 80-81, he describes wealthy people who sell all their things, and go traveling the world to do disaster relief and helping the poor in other countries. It sounded more like a psuedo-Christian PEACE CORPS, rather then any true witnessing or mission work:

"This year between July and October, Ed and Patty were home a total of only eleven days. They weren't home because they were doing disaster relief in cities and towns that experienced flooding in the United States. They both went to Nigeria, and Ed went to Sri Lanka, where he cooked meals for the hungry in the middle of rebel fighting"
[page 82]

You think you can measure up to this? I found myself almost laughing when I read this, it seemed to be like those two people were trying to "prove" something they didn't need to prove. I am glad they want to help people, but there is something off about it all. An almost super-human global drive out of pride. This is what David Platt wants you to measure up to being a globe-trotter that wishes to save the whole planet not just in one country but several. It smacks of extreme pride, the gung-ho Americans all out to save the planet for Pax Americana. In all these examples these folks visit multiple countries and Platt even says of one man: "the unprecedented opportunities that God is now giving him from America, to Africa to Asia". I guess one foreign country just isn't good enough. Through out the book, Platt admits to being in India, the Sudan, Cuba, and Kazakhstan. He expects this of his readers, page 72, outlines his desire for everyone to go to global missions:

"I wonder if we have in some ways intentionally and in other ways unknowingly erected lines of defense against the global purpose God has for our lives. It's not uncommon to hear Christians say, "Well not everyone is called to foreign missions," or more specifically, "I am not called to foreign missions," When we
say this, we are usually referring to foreign missions as an optional program
in the church for a faithful few who are called to that"


Here I think of this Bible verse:

Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.

He goes on to state on page 75-77 pushing foreign missions for everyone and repeating his messages...


"Because every single man, woman and child in the church I pastor is
intended to impact the nations for the glory of Christ..."

"Indeed, Jesus himself has not merely called us to go to all nations; he has created us and commanded us to go to all nations"
What is this "impact" the nations stuff? Christians are told not to be of this world and not to conform to it. This is a definite skewing, and back to my out of touch them, most people I know save for a few cannot afford overseas travel. Even on Platt's own church website, they list their own overseas trips and at the reduced church rate, most cost $2,000-2,500, that wouldn't include some other costs like food and perhaps even lodging. Some do not have the health. There is nothing wrong with missions sent overseas, and I have readers on this blog, from all places across the globe but here he lays a heavy burden on people using more guilt and exploiting and skewing bible verses to push his globalist visions.

The globalist vision in this book is paramount....

Platt writes on page 83:

"So what might this look like in your life? As we explore what it means to be radically abandoned to Christ, I invite you simply to let your heart be gripped, maybe for the first time by the biblical prospect that God has designed a radically global purpose for your life"


The phrase Global purpose is repeated over and over in this book, [a false phrase advancing globalism]


"I am convinced that when we open up our lives to the global purpose of God, he will show us things we have never seen and take us places we have never been before. [p. 202]

"I am indebted to mentors and colleagues, pastors and authors who have helped me understand the global, God-centered nature of God." [p 87]

"God has created us to accomplish a radically global, supremely God-exalting purpose with our lives"

"What if a global God exalting passionate idealism is exactly what is needed in the lives of individual Christians today" [p 83]


With all this impacting the world nepotism, some of the misdirected pride and arrogance is shown by some of Platt's followers who probably are well meaning people but definitely falling into a trap..
"God has blessed me to show his mercy and grace to children in Guatemala. This is why od has given me income and education and resources. God saves me so the nations will know him. He blesses me so that all the earth will see his glory" [page 84]

"Bullen lowered the cup of hot tea from his lips looked me in the eyes and said, "David, I am going to impact the world"[page 86]

"Robert told me in all his years in church, he never had seen the responsibility--and privilege--he had to impact the nations for the glory of Christ"[page 91]

See how all of this is from the global context? Am I too out to lunch in thinking it rather narcissistic to think one can impact the ENTIRE world?

One thing I want to add here, many many unbelievers do good works, I was one of them, as I went into what is considered "altruistic" work fields and did volunteer work, during my unbeliever days, but there is a lot of human pride, that can bubble up, when one starts getting grandiose visions of "saving or impacting the entire world": human pride is part of that program. Everyone wants to think they are important. Remember "my first and last" post? There are those who "help" with the wrong aims, to give glory and name to themselves. It is impossible for one human being to impact the entire world. Just these extreme examples Platt describes, tells me something else is going on here. Frankly I feel exhausted in being told I have to go impact NATIONS. It is hyperbole, to whip up emotions and get people committed to the globalist program.

The whole book tries to shovel on massive amounts of guilt for not being a superman or woman of the global missions and humanitarian programs. I saw that in the liberal UU world and Catholicism, where the more "works" you did, the "better person you were" Platt denies this is about 'works" within in his book, but that whole message is there as well. Wanting to bring one group down to equalize the rest, is more classic false 'class warfare" stuff of liberation theology and Platt seems to at least have been influenced by these false "social justice" premises even if not outwardly agreeing with all of it. Platt misses the fact that wealth is more easily built in places where corruption does not rule, and where false religions do not oppress peoples. Americans can be very naive about how culture operates in some places, they idealize other countries, which some are often more violent and corrupt due to the historical lack of Christian values. This doesn't mean America isn't growing more wicked, but the breezy approach to foreign missions in this book denies a lot of realities about this world.

Platt puts forth "His Radical Experiment Program" which includes

[p 218]


"1. I will pray for the entire world, 2. I will read through the entire Word, 3. I will sacrifice my money for a specific purpose, 4. I will spend time in another context and 5. I will commit my life to a multiplying community."


#1 to me is foolishness, why not pray for individuals and their individual needs? For a Christian, there is always people to pray for. We can pray for those we do not know, such as people in Japan facing disaster, but praying for the ENTIRE world? Praying for the world in a vague disconnected way, is a waste of time. We need to preach the gospel to who we can, but praying for the world, when this world will end? This was something often done at Catholic Mass, and I used to think then, it was too vague.

#2 is good, and one can hope reading the Bible can wake some up, but sadly for Platt readers that is probably most likely adulterated bible versions, #3 God will lead those to give as He wills, sometimes it is not money but something else, such as their time and or care. For #4 he writes "So the fourth challenge in the Radical Experiment is to give some of your time in the next year to making the gospel known in a context outside your own city".[p. 200] Sounds good, but that one is definitely meant to push overseas travel. #5, He means joining a church obviously one that is growing.

David Platt went on to write another book that I believe still advances the false world evangelical movement, called "Radical Together: Unleashing The People of God for the Purpose of God. I'll check that one later on too.

What I want people to learn from this, is about those who will skew things that sound good, and skew even the gospel and biblical things themselves for the agenda of the elite.

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

This reminds me of something I recently saw on tv. It was about women who join the Peace Corps and get attacked and raped while overseas. When joining they weren't told about this risk and how often this happens. We need to not romanticize these things. We should tell our young church people that they may come home with parasites. I don't know many Christians who are wealthy.

Anonymous said...

He should set the example of "giving it all away" and just own two pairs of clothes, wash them in the river, and have just enough food on hand to eat at that moment.

Actually you know, the USA is "too rich" for the New World Order, the globalist movement. To bring in antichrist, the USA must be brought down. So jobs are shipped away, and we become the world's shoppers. Every shopper runs out of money, sooner or later. And people like David Platt want to make you feel guilty for what the Lord has blessed you with.

Well he can forget it with me. He's just another road to Rome.

Compare Bible believing countries with Roman catholic countries. Catholic countries are historically poverty stricken, while Bible believing countries have abundance to share with others.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks for mentioning the Peace Corps problem with rape. Many young idealistic women join the Peace Corps not realizing what they are getting into. Many Americans as I said in the article, take for granted that other places operate like here or their own neighborhoods. I found myself thinking there is an irresponsible strain to Platt's idealistic call to push people into global missions. Mentioning off-handily about the people feeding people in between shooting rebels as if this shouldn't matter seens to diminish the dangers out there. We can pray to God for protection, but ignoring the dangers, ignores wisdom. I agree we should not romanticize these things. Definitely Platt, presents even a false idealistic vision of global "unity" and visions, doesn't he? Well the Utopianists often neglect reality and how human evil works in this world, where violence and corrupt and endless evils rule. Poverty is not this glamourous experience either. For those who have experienced poverty, Platt's odd ascetic elevation of poverty [a bed and silverware are supposedly luxuries?] is demeaning. Of course his attitudes are common in Rome. Did you all know that for strict convents where they make vows of poverty that the most severe ones deny their nuns even a bed. I found one where they were forced to sleep on sleeping bags on the floor while living in a nicely appointed brick monastery.

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Bible Believer said...

I agree, let him set the example and give it all away, problem is, there would be no more thousands of dollars for endless oversea junkets. Poor people even in America, do not make a habit, of dealing with international airports. If he wants to glamorize being poor, he should go and actually live it like many people in even this country have. Perhaps he would wake up the day he had to dig his bed-bug infested mattress out of the dumpster to sleep on or didn't have enough money to even go to the doctor. [that latter one has affected even many friends of mine] If he wants to experience third world poverty, build the shack on the river, as you said, and wash his clothes there, and go picking in the trash for food. No more overseas vacations. No more books. No more public notice.

The New World Order wants this country depleted and moved into third world status. That is why our manufacturing has been dismantled. Where else is this going to lead? They know influencing the wealthy and better off Christians to disburse more wealth overseas for their globalist programs, will help clean things out here even faster. This is more about the disconnection too, instead of people helping out each other's neighbors or those in their own community, they want the money flowing out, as much as possible.

i 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.


You are right about America being turned into shoppers. Countries that no longer make anything, will no longer have any real money either. The "paper based" wealth is crumbling. They planned this I believe, all the decisions now being made to bring this country down, now with constant disasters to help the job along...[Nebraska, New Mexico?] all in service of the antichrist.

Yes Platt's phony guilt for anyone who lives above a third world status and glamorization of poverty is based on lies. Poverty is not pretty, it is gritty, dirty, hard, and health destroying. The continual answer too for the American people to PAY up out of some other false guilt too is based on false Marxist lies, and the Pope's wannabe wealth redistribution problems. I agree Platt is just another road to Rome. His message is no different from the liberals I heard in the UU, except he has added a "christian gospel veneer" to it all.

If he really cared about the poor he describes in his book, he wouldn't be praising "global" anything. The one world government in formation now is oppressing the poor as we speak. Monsanto cleaning out and charging poor farmers for seed, the endless wars, the worldwide manipulation of food prices and more.

I think we are just seeing the beginning. Revelation 13 of course describes what is coming...

16 And he causeth all,(WORLD SOCIALISM) both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Kayfabe said...

I agree that there is an over emphasis of overseas missions and an under emphasis on local missionary work. I think that out of country missions is often romanticized whereas doing the hard work here in our neighborhoods is less appealing

Kayfabe said...

Many christians here feel intimidated going out and either witnessing and preaching the word to their neighbors or even people they come across in their everyday lives. I guess going to Japan or a place like that isn't as daunting because there isn't much of an embarrasment factor as you won't know anyone when you go there. I believe many of these pastors are going on these trips in the guise of ministry when it may be nothing more than a paid vacation. That's what I suspect about my former calvary pastor. Everyone else has to foot their own bill.

Kayfabe said...

Believe me when I say that the amount of money many of these mega churches have at their disposal is staggering. I have done the calculations accounting for all the costs of operations and accounting for the tax write offs that they are allowed under 501 c and it is mind blowing how much money is possibly left over for profit. They should be paying for a team of of people in the congregation to go to do missionary work rather than have the congrgants foot their own bill. The church also needs to do a better job of pushing local outreach. All the talk of missions but yet the turn out for the once a month street witnessing event at my former calvary only produced a hanful of people when they are a congregation of 4 thousand.

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Chance said...

Oh my goodness. 15 000 children are dying in The world each year of starvation and you people are feeding these conspiracy theories to justify North American wealth. Marxism... one-world order... the "mark". Give me a break! When the mark comes, I sure hope you have a more believability in your predictions. And I hope the evilness of it looks more sinister too. To some, increasing globalism isn't such a scary thing. Some believe the peaceful elements it brings are greater than the possible evils. I'm rather indifferent to the whole process mostly, as I find world affairs highly unpredictable. And we've never had an absolute global village, so who really knows what it will be like? It is a great unknown though. A very large unknown, therefore it strikes great fear in many people.

But back to the main topic; something has to be done about those in the world without basic needs to survive. Mostly only then will these suffering be open to the gospel (and very open I'd imagine, says common sense, being so grateful to have their basic needs met). Most Christians I'm sure would agree.

We should be trying much harder to have more sustainable, modest living arrangements. We're far behind Europe in this regard. Our harsh treatment of our environment is non-sustainable and a selfish message to our generations to come. We are also more materialistic than all of the world. Sure, we give a lot to charity but we could give a lot more. We have the largest GDP of large lands on the map. These things bring deep shame to us all.

Platt may be uneasily or strangely globalist and not practising enough of the "sacrifice more for the sake of others" message he's preaching, but bless him for preaching it. Maybe someone could tell him... hmm... lets see off the top of my head... that maybe sharing the gospel by, perhaps, monthly correspondence with an included cash donation (through one of them "sponsor a child" programs) to give 2 needy third world children basic sustenance for a year, is better at advancing the gospel than spending 2500$ on air-plane tickets. That would give the kids $3.42 a day to live off of. Considering 50% of the world has less than $2.50 to live off of, they'd be pretty well off in sub-saharan Africa! I suppose I may have shot you all down, and myself too in this paragraph. I expected more surprising statistics in favour of simply donating to the third world instead of travelling there but now I'm not sure. Was his expenses of travel effective in bringing many people to Christ? Or would feeding these two starving children for a year be better if you had the chance to share the gospel with them through correspondence, delivered by a volunteer (whom would serve handling aid by many people who chose not to travel) in their country which was the go-between in delivering aid and correspondence back and forth? What about other forms of aid, such as initiatives to make oneself self-sufficient (such as financing farming) or supporting micro-financing? What are all your thoughts on these things? What do you think are good initiatives at spreading the gospel and being a good Christian to these countries?

It has always seemed plain to me that we can reach out to those that suffer in our own community. We can provide food, shelter, and good government support to them, and some money. But the suffering is just too great in third-world nations to not give the majority of our aid there -- and especially money.
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Chance said...

Have you people heard of "quality of life" indexes, used by organizations like the UN, Unicef, World Vision, etc.? It measures a multitude of things to determine a citizen's contentment. It is found that those that have $10 000 a year, or more, do not differ very much in their levels of happiness. You know the small percentage of the world that controls the majority of wealth (the top 20% and especially the top 10%?). There's no excuse, nor much setback in giving it up. You naysayers have determined "setback" as such a reason to continue living how we do. There's just no more excuses now. So do it. Give it up. More and more each day. Your happiness won't suffer much, and organized right, your money can be put to good use winning souls for Christ. Amen.

Bible Believer said...

Hi Chance,

Yes I've heard of the quality of life indexes, via the UN, World Vision, etc. Course I do not think the UN has that positive of an affect on the quality of life. Hvae you read what is going on in the Congo, with the UN?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4156819.stm

That is just one example, then of course are the tyrannical laws like Codex Alimentrus, and Agenda 21..What about the abuses by the IMF, World Bank, etc...Anyone who cares about freedom would not support the United Nations.

The UN is definitely a vehicle for tyranny and endless abuses.

Hmm found this, interesting...

"n 2009, Monsanto joined the United Nations Global Compact, the world's largest corporate citizenship and sustainability initiative. This strategic policy initiative is for businesses that are committed to aligning their operations and strategies with ten universally accepted principles in the areas of human rights, labor, environment and anti-corruption. The Compact is both a policy platform and a practical framework for companies that are committed to sustainability and responsible business practices."

Monsanto with its terminator seeds cares about human rights? Do not think so...

You are right people can live on less money and be happier, I know people living on less or around $10,000 now in America. In some countries social connections are strong and people have the ability to grow or forage for their own food. The overhead is not as high.

So you speak of the top 10%? Does this mean you want all the money taken from the richer countries and given to the poorer ones? Anyhow what about the economic problems here in America?

Bible Believer said...

Chance what is wrong with "north american wealth? America sends the most help NOW to the starving of the world. What is LEVELING the field going to do but ensure more poverty and suffering? When American's can't feed their own kids, and the American dollar collapses, there isn't going to be money flowing overseas. By the way the Bible predicts economic collapse for the entire world, and the dominos have been set up.

Rev 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Even Soros, favorite of liberals everywhere, has come out and openly discussed WORLD economic collapse.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2740957/posts

"George Soros warned of an international economic collapse and several nations leaving the euro currency at a panel discussion in Vienna, Austria this past weekend.

Soros, the legendary investor who ran the Quantum Fund with Jim Rogers, stated that “There’s no arrangement for any countries leaving the euro, which in current circumstances is probably inevitable. We are on the verge of an economic collapse which starts, let’s say, in Greece, but it could easily spread. The financial system remains extremely vulnerable,” according to a Bloomberg report.

As for the rest, I know there are many in denial about what is happening. This is nothing new. The "mark" will be coming as far as more world tyranny and control. Do not think that some of these world events are not being manipulated. Ponder yourself why they have sold "globalism" as a good, the degree of power it gives to people who are NOT elected or remain unaccountable and the centralization of power. The Bible too warns of the false "peace" they sell it all by.

Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify [himself] in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

We can be sad about those not able to get their needs met, but this is not due to one country being more prosperous where the picture is presented that they are suffering due to American money. In many of these countries, the poor suffer due to a variety of reasons, sinful oppression, corrupt governments, civil wars,crop failures, a lack of a infrastructure.

I do not object to help to the third world either by Christians or missions, but when it's being used and skewed for the globalist program, that is something else entirely. The power brokers do not wish to just control the USA, but them as well. The Antichrist desires power over the ENTIRE world.

By the way, the tyranny that is coming to the world, will not just affect Americans but is affecting the third world in a variety of negative ways. There is more exploitation and evils, being conducted because of it. Ever wonder about all those people the corporations are outsourcing all the jobs too? Paying pennies on the dollar? It's like the industrial revolution circa 1890 with 16 hour days and low pay.

I agree about helping the suffering in our own communities too.

Bible Believer said...

Hi Kayfabe,

Yes I agree too about the underemphasis on missionary work here at home. I read somewhere, that there were overseas missions coming HERE. Well America needs it. Some missionaries need to go to secular Europe too.

I live in a very non-Christian area, and recently have been convicted that I need to do more, in terms of getting the gospel out there.

Many are swayed by the "romance" and excitement of overseas travel. How much of it is paid vacations under the guise of religious work? Thanks for bringing that up.

We have mega-churches here. There is one that put a church in the inner city, but have yet to see one person pass out a tract or street preach here. So the local reach out is just not there. I do read in the newspaper about many of them going overseas though. You are right, those megachurches have the money to send a team of people overseas to do missionary work, rather then having individuals foot their own bills. That is sad that only 4 people showed up out of a congregation of 4,000 for witnessing.

Anonymous said...

What a joke the UN is. It provides these indexes and we're supposed to believe them? Those starving countries are starving because of the corrupt governments which the UN supports! And the UN henchmen contribute to it. The UN is a protection racket also, and no wonder since the Mother of all protection rackets controls the UN, and that Mother is the Vatican. Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

Oh, and I forgot to add how truly suspicious it is that many of the countries who are the biggest abusers of people's rights are on the UN council that judges such things. What a farce! And we're supposed to believe the UN has any credibility?! Please stop insulting our intelligence with those indexes of theirs! And another thing, the US pays for 25% or more of the operating costs of the UN, so essentially without it, they would not survive. Which opens up another whole can of worms. Why is the US supporting a body who is so against it? I'll tell you why. The US government is against itself because it is now moving towards globalism. It has to do it on the sly because the average American doesn't want that. The US government is no longer serving its own people, but the global community. However, it is doing it on the backs of the common American's income. Robbers all! Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

Shocking to find people here defending the UN, unicef and world vision, since those are globalist enterprises to usher in antichrist.

All these organizations have to do is tell people they're "helping the poor" and they can rip the world apart, and they'll get defended for it!

These organizations cause more misery than anyone can imagine. A small Bible-based church that sends to humanitarian aid churches overseas, does more REAL good than the UN, unicef, and world vision combined.

Bible Believer said...

Yeah it's shocking to me too. The UN is the governmental arm of the BEAST...and ANTICHRIST through and through. They deceive telling people they are helping the poor while the World Bank, IMF, and other UN related organizations imprison and enslave. The UN is dedicated to Lucifer as even shown by it's satanic meditation room, connections to the Vatican, Agenda 21 and promoting every false program of the elites. I do not know how anyone who calls themselves a Christian can defend the UN, even knowing the smallest smattering of bible prophecy. These organizations are causing misery WORLDWIDE often in cahoots with giant multinational corporations that the UN works with. Monsanto, Agenda 21--which Obama is bringing here to America and more. Yes, a small Bible based church does far more good.

Anonymous said...

There is a danger of directly combining financial gifts with gospel preaching. in church history the term is known as creating "rice christians" who quickly learn how the game is played and that they must say they are believers in order to get the goodies. how can we blame them? on the other hand as a missionary in mongolia myself for 6 years, their poverty is a need that had to be addressed and I started a business with the goal of creating economic development nn extremely poor rural city. all the while I knew this could endanger my evangelistic outreach efforts. anyone who is aware of these issues and has worked with the poor knows that it is a constant struggle and there are no easy answers. I offer no solution on this post but just to make the point which some in the posts above did not seem to be aware of.

Bible Believer said...

Hey that stuff happens in America to a lesser extent. Many of the homeless go to the local Salvation Army, and feign faith to get more help. Yes it sounds like you definitely experienced the troubles that came about from this, I am glad you sought to help the people. Definitely there are no easy answers. I still think about how the poor are being exploited for globalism--often those big collections of money the poor never see, but the poor themselves, yes many come from places where corruption is the norm, they call it "hustling" in the American ghetto but it's rife many other places....those people are doing anything to get their needs met, and often deception even within some of the cultures is ingrained.

Globalism sells itself as a "help" to the poor too but its actually making things worse on them, with them having ties to land and family broken up to work as slaves in factories and bringing more control and oppression to their lives. I know some economic development is good, and sounds like your aims were decent ones but it does sound like a constant struggle.
But you are right mixing in the money thing like David Platt wants to do [basically following the globalist clean out America plan] would MAKE THINGS WORSE.

Allison Nicole :D said...

Praying for the entire world isn't vague, you can still pray for specific people and nations. I don't think it's foolishness. If we don't pray for revival among the nations will it happen? I don't think so. Everyone needs salvation, not just specific people.

Bible Believer said...

Those who believe there will be revival among the nations have already been deceived, we are in the time of the great falling away, and bible prophecy tells us what will happen. The false Dominionist line is "revival among the nations" and popular in charismatic circles.

Anonymous said...

The modern church is not Spirit led. It is a community center in service to the world. Jesus wasn't obsessed with "helping the poor", He taught obedience to God. Paul was "content whether he had much or little." It wasn't about what he had so why are we trying to reach people with the "gospel of sacrifice not obedience?"