Saturday, May 14, 2011

Harvest 2011: Greg Laurie



Watch this video and tell me what you think...this is modern "Christianity" in video form. This one has the whole "California Dreaming" ethos, pictures of music companies, happy looking active young people, the race to the roof for a rock concert [Didn't U2 do this in the 1980s?] and what is the deal with the several arrows pointed to the sky, some kind of "rapture" indoctrination "meme"? The word I had when watching this was WORLDLY, everything about being the "cool" kids.

Please read my past blog entries regarding Greg Laurie and Harvest Fests. [See HERE and HERE]He has been said to be taking the new place of Billy Graham in terms of his crusades focused more on young people. Also see The Grahams: Easy Believism: Millions of Deceived.

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

Sometimes I wonder why so many are taken in by this kind of thing, when it is so obvious to others that it is worldly self worship, then I remember that many are deceived because they have not a love for the truth.

Anonymous said...

It's stomach turning! Anon. #1

Bible Believer said...

I agree Anon #1. "Disneyworld the happiest place on earth?" [ugh]

I know so many are taken in by this sort of thing. Well advertisement has sent up so many to only "accept" certain people--[the young and beautiful only apply, and one sees this even in the church "ads" even in the events not overtly marketed to the young. It is about self-worship, and worship of what this world values.

Abbey said...

If you turn the sound off you would think it was a commercial for a vacation in CA. Bikinis and Bibles anyone? Actually I think they're trying to make Christianity look cool and fun. That's not what it's about at all. I'm sad over Greg Laurie and Chuck Smith. I listened to them since I was young. This whole concept of changing with the times and making Christianity modern is of the devil. God's Word and his plan of Salvation DO NOT change. Many are deceived and many are deceiving the people.

Bible Believer said...

Hey Abbey you are right, with the sound turned off, it definitely would be a commerical for California tourism or how about a more mild MTV video? It's a false "christianity" being sold about being with the "in group" and seeking popularity and rock music. Aren't our young people already bombarded enough with this stuff? The brainwashed adding up? I didn't get into this, in the article but California is having severe economic and societal problems, funny how this commercial just wallpapers all over it, I'm not saying one can't be happy or enjoy things, but it's like the "fantasy California" and shows how out of touch these pastors are even with what is happening in their own state or this country for that matter. Why care about that sort of stuff, or reach out to the poor or suffering?. Yes I am sad over the things too I have found out about Greg Laurie and Chuck Smith. I know the Emergents have sold the whole "changed Christianity" thing, and it's all over the place now. God remains the same.

Kayfabe said...

I believe these type of things make the church look like a third rate imitation of the world rather than something entirely different and unique.

Bible Believer said...

I agree. The more they try to imitate the world, the more cheap and empty it all appears.

Kayfabe said...

I actually talk to my kids about this kind of thing as it is rampant in the fellowship we go to. My kids are always telling me why does it matter if our friends have those crazy peircings and crazy hair styles. Without being legalistic I tell them that the way we think and feel does appear in how we carry ourselves on the outward. I was a youth leader there and I would always try to enforce certain rules for the boys such as no hats during service and no wearing your hoods or beanies. The problem was the boys would go to the other leaders to complain and then get there way. The bar was set very low for the youth there and it has resulted in a very luklewarm youth ministry. The preaching there is where it doesn't matter what you wear or if you have crazy peircing sand hair styles as long as you love Jesus. While that may sound good on the surface in reality the way a person feels and thinks will often manifest itself in extreme fashion and so forth. The youth group that I came out of when I was 20 or so was on fire for the lord because the youth pastor was bold and not afraid to step on toes with his preaching. Many of the youth that were just there to be there left but the ones that had a burning desire for the lord stayed. I stepped down from the youth group at my current fellowship (Calvary Chapel) and I am in the process of transitioning into a smaller fellowship that is more fundamental in it's biblical beliefs. The problem with many of our youth is that we are not holding them to high standards.

Bible Believer said...

I am glad you talk to your kids about this sort of thing, it is good to warn them even so they can be presented with the other views adverse to the world's. I have visited churches where I have seen the youth group kids wearing the piercings and skull-T shirts. I agree avoid legalism, but why would a Christian even desire to look and act like the world where "darkness" is glorified. I think of my young days, wearing black and listening to music that glorified evil, it is great you are there to steer your children towards God's truth.

They should not have sabotaged your authority as the young group leader, in rescinding your rules for the young people. I agree the hats and rest should be removed to show respect.


I know in Calvary Chapel, and other more "modern" churches, they almost overdo the casual "cool" dress quotient, as almost overcompensation to prove their "hipness" to unbelievers. Today I saw this video, researching for another article, [Ill be doing that blog entry tommorow or early next week, and I noticed these famous name preachers, were all dressed like they were still in high school, and some of them were in their 30s and 40s. I found it kind of disturbing. Now clothes only mean so much, the gospel is for the most tattooed up biker even to hear, but one wonders about these clothing choices, and WHY DO THEY ALL MAKE the SAME fashion choices?

I am glad you had that good youth pastor when you were young. My old fundamental baptist church, was not legalistic about dress but stressed dressing with modesty and in a way that was pleasing to God.

I am glad you have found a smaller fellowship, and understand you leaving as I left Calvary Chapel behind too. [I attended one here for a very short, time as there is a huge void of more fundamentalist churches here]

The youth are not being given the truth, and the pastors instead of guiding them are more intent on impressing them.

Anonymous said...

hmmm..i don't see any bad term or thing or what not in here??why don't we check it out anyway??I'm just more curious and skeptical..it says anyways in the bible,test all the spirit if it is from God.i test some and they failed. why not try on this one?? anyone with me??

Bible Believer said...

Remember that applies to *spirits* not human pastors who can lie and deceive and answer in the way you desire. So asking an apostate preacher, "Do you believe Jesus Christ is God come in the flesh?", often he will tell you what you want to hear.

With Harvest fest, considering the ecumenical activities, the worldly rock music and other attributes, the watered down messages, it fails by several other biblical tests.

Anonymous said...

John's test of the spirit in regard to whether Christ came in the flesh was applicable to the particular group of antichristians he was speaking of: the Gnostics, who preached a "christ" but claimed his humanity was merely an illusion. So asking this question to other false prophets and teachers who do claim Christ came in the flesh is not of any use. The testing of spirits would then have to be the discerning of their false teachings. For instance, Catholicism does believe Christ came in the flesh. However, they also believe that His flesh and blood is reincarnated in a wafer. This is just as antichristian as the type of Gnostics which did not believe He had a real human body. (I say "type of Gnostics", because though catholicism did not retain that belief, they have retained the "female principle" belief which they now call "Mary, queen of heaven".) Anon. #1

Bible Believer said...

Yes I agree this definitely applies to the Gnostics, who denied Jesus coming in the flesh.
In Catholic circles, they do abuse this verse to try to present themselves as holding truth: I definitely agree with the below.
" For instance, Catholicism does believe Christ came in the flesh. However, they also believe that His flesh and blood is reincarnated in a wafer. This is just as antichristian as the type of Gnostics which did not believe He had a real human body."

Catholicism has kept many facets of Gnosticism...

Kayfabe said...

I just went to the website of the Calvary Chapel I just left and saw that it has been redesigned. The pastor hired is daughter as the marketing director of the church and her fingerprints are all over it. The pictures on the home page are all of young good looking hip people of all races that are supposedly a sampling of the congregation. The funny thing is that none of the people in the pictures even go to that church. The church there has many ex gang members and people that grew up on the streets of east la but I guess pictures of them wouldn't be too appealing. The church also has many older people but none were featured in the pictures. The pictures also accompany various catch phrases that don't sound bad on the surface but bother me none the less. A few of them are "finding our purpose", "investing in the future" (childrens ministry), "passionate generation" (youth ministry). I didn't know that the church needed to be marketed. Other things on the site bother me as well like where they say all sexes are welcome. Why would that need to be pointed out? I know that the pastors daughter when making announcements at the start of service has made it a point to say that people with "same sex attraction" are welcome at our church. That's good if the intent is to preach the gospel to them as you would anyone else but I have a feeling that they are getting soft on that particular sin. The pastor used to speak boldly about the sin of homosexuality but now rarely mentions it and only refers to it as "same sex attraction". Sorry for the tanget but the whole marketing of the church is a turn off. God bless you

Bible Believer said...

Hi Kayfabe,

Thanks for describing that church ad, yes they are all looking the same, "beautiful" young models, as the would be members of the church instead of the regular people of all types and socio-economic classes and ages. Sounds like the same type of terms, investing in the future, passionate generation, yes have seen that before. Yeah the "all sexes welcome" is weird too, another way, you know to say "all sexual orientations welcome too" I don't mind a church witnessing to homosexuals or inviting them in the way to tell them the truth, but you are right to suspect this is about going soft on homosexuality. You are right to ask otherwise why point it out? Sounds like the preacher is relenting if he has changed in warning about those things.

God bless you too.

Christian Cerna said...

Thanks for your observations. I have long been uncomfortable with the trend in American Christianity, to exalt/follow celebrity Preacher, Teachers, and even Theologians. I am beginning to believe that these men are the new Pharisees and Scribes of our day. They may say all of the right things with their lips, but by their actions they are exemplifying a false gospel. (e.g. most of these men are wealthy from their mega-church salaries, book royalties, conference fees, etc. And they love being treated like celebrities, choosing the places of prominence, rubbing elbows with celebrities and politicians, etc.) It is easy to preach about trusting God, when you are living a nice, luxurious life. I would like to see how many of these men would be willing to preach in a small, country church that doesn't have any money to pay them.

Bible Believer said...

Good points Cerna

I agree, definitely and many are hobnobbing with celebrites, and the elite of this world. Make sure you see this post about Greg Laurie too..

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2011/06/greg-laurie-and-his-interesting-friends.html

I'd like to see one of them donate their thousands of dollars they spend on world travel to the poor here, instead, never going to happen.

If one even thinks about the endless meetings, conferences, books they sell, it is like they are all promoting a brandname--basically of themselves!

Christian Cerna said...

I agree with you. Not that I am not grateful to many of the theologians and writers, from whom I have learned many things over the years- but sometimes I find myself thinking, how much is too much? We listen/read to these men arguing and writing books about the smallest and most minute of details, but do many of these details matter? How much of these things are practical and will affect the day to day life of the average Christian? And are we relying so much on the views and opinions of a few known names, that we neglect to practice the spiritual disciplines of bible study and meditation? It's ironic, but one of the ideas that came out of the reformation was that, every believer should own a bible, and that every believer is able to understand and interpret the bible with the help of the Holy Spirit, as opposed to having to rely on the voice of the Pope or Roman Church. But we are returning to the same thing we left behind. Only now, we are not waiting to hear the voice of God through the Pope, but through the celebrity Preachers of our day, as if each one of us was sealed and led by the Holy Spirit, and able to seek the Spirit's help in interpreting and applying the scriptures to our lives.