This conference happened in March, but says some interesting things to me. It included James MacDonald, Steven Furtick, David Platt, Mark Driscoll, Matt Chandler, Greg Laurie and Perry Noble among the participants. Greg Laurie, I've written enough on this blog to expose his involvements. [see here too]
David Platt has written an Emergent flavored book called Radical, which is now making the bible study circuit, and includes plenty of false paradigms in selling 'global spirituality" with endless uses of the phrase "global purpose" and the austerity program of the elites. [Good to give and not focus on wealth in this world, but ask yourself a few questions when it starts sounding like Bono pushing a United Nations "One World" war on poverty campaign]
With James MacDonald, have read some of his writings, but questionable ties, he has taken to support of Rick Warren just like Greg Laurie. James MacDonald has the boiler plate anti-discernment ministry page on his website. He seems positively shocked that some Christians consider Rick Warren a heretic:
" I learned that some Christians think that Rick Warren is a heretic??? (Presumably the same ones that have now added me to that list??)"
With Mark Driscoll, we run into the whole Acts 29 network problem [see here too] Mark Driscoll was the pastor that entered into controversy for vulgar language. This is a guy, and I kid you not, who wrote a book called "PORN AGAIN Christian"!
Perry Noble, there are false teachings and associations to be concerned about. With Steven Furtick, Matt Chandler I am less familiar with, but the above really brings out full blown concern.
Two of these participating pastors have been publicly praised by Rick Warren.
This website shows this Tweet here:
Two of them, Mark Driscoll and Perry Noble have appeared in a conference Radicalis headed by Rick Warren. Steven Furtick also spoke at this same conference.
So what was this meeting all about? The official website states this:
The Elephant Room features blunt conversations between seven influential pastors who share a common love for the Gospel but take differing approaches to ministry. No keynotes. No canned messages. These are "the conversations you never thought you'd hear." All conversations are moderated by James MacDonald of Harvest Bible Chapel and Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill Church
The purpose of the Elephant Room is to model loving confrontation and gracious disagreement that honors relationship and allows diversity of opinion but stands without compromise on the revealed word of God. As Proverbs 27:17 instructs us that iron sharpens iron, so we want to sharpen each other for effective ministry. You’ll be stretched and challenged in your convictions while gaining practical insights from a variety of pastoral perspectives.
Beyond the fascination with celebrity preachers that is sold here. This is a cadre of apostate pastors.
One very strange comment by the announcer on the video advertising this event, takes a slam against Christian ladies:
"It's time for brothers in place to act like brothers with no more sectarianism where brothers act like sisters in catfights"
and then later it says:
"We want to talk about the elephant in the room"I find myself disturbed at the name for this meeting, which is in my opinion an apostate pastor fest, but where did they get the name ELEPHANT ROOM from? Could this be it?
When I was UU, they constantly told us this fable. I believe it is used to switch people to another worldview, to deny absolute truth in the mind. Refer to this other blog article of mine: "Emergents are Just Like Unitarian Universalists"
I'm going to quote myself here....
When I was UU, they would tell me, truth was ever evolving [this is present in the Emergent view of a changed Christianity], no one human holds the definite truth, and would retell that awful story about the elephant and blind men where the blind men would feel a different part of the elephant claiming it was something else, and that this means humankind was condemned to live in the dark, and none of us could be sure about anything, and we had to at least consider truth in other religions and places. I've since heard this story told in other liberal churches. The main message is doubt, and you cannot trust your own mind. It is fascinating seeing the wikipedia link that this story is a well-used fable in other false religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism. Again Satan's lies remain the same in the whole pantheon of Mystery Babylon. Postmodernism is confusion and VAIN PHILOSOPHY. Never trust any religious message that preaches doubt and confusion. Reject this lying garbage of Satan. The Bible tells us we can have certainty and that is what the Christian must believe.
Here is another telling of this tale...
It was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
Though all of them were blind,
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind.
The First approached the Elephant
And, happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
"God bless me, but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!"
The Second, feeling the tusk,
Cried, "Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 'tis very clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!"
The Third approached the animal
And, happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up he spake:
"I see," quoth he, "The Elephant
Is very like a snake!" The Fourth reached out an eager hand,
And felt about the knee:
"What most the wondrous beast is like
Is very plain," quoth he;
"Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!"
The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said, "Even the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can:
This marvel of an elephant
Is very like a fan!"
The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope
Than, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a rope!"
And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong.
Though each was partly in the right,
They all were in the wrong!
-- John Godfrey Saxe
By naming this event The Elephant Room, were these pastors admitting they are "spiritually blind"? It seems an odd phrase to choose. Most likely, it is about promoting the new church emergent paradigm of telling people that "truth cannot be known" or that "everyone is limited in their ability to know truth" to depart from the absolute truths of God's Word. In other words, everyone is stumbling in the dark fumbling around with different parts of the "elephant". What a disturbing denial of Christian truth, and seeking to revamp things in people's minds.
I know I should do a blog post soon, telling you what the deceivers want to change in detail. But as you read this, know they want to change people's minds and worldviews, they want to form a global vision and spirituality, an idea of truth as being nebulous, and ever changing. The Emergents were merely the front foot soldiers in the campaign to confuse.
The more I see of these "modern" pastors even beyond their false teachings, the more disturbed I am. Anyone here notice yet, how they all dress, and act almost the exact same? And repeat the same phrases over and over like "Radical" [see the Radicalist link above] as if all individuality has been lost? Are some of you starting to notice, from what I have posted on this blog how they are all "networked" in together?
[see here too: "Three More Conversations From the Elephant Room"]