Friday, February 25, 2011

Marian Apparitions:The Devil's Deception

Here is a basic point for this article, I do NOT believe the being showing up in Marian apparitions is actually "Mary" but a fallen angel or other demonic spirit here to deceive.

Here is a good video that describes how scripture shows these apparitions to be false:

One thing that helped wake me up and get me out of the Catholic church was reading the Bible and books from the Catholic church library on Marian apparitions at the same time. Fatima, Guadalupe,Lourdes, Knock, I examined them all and started seeing how things did not add up!. To be frank, "Mary" creeped me out, even her willingness to show poor little kids, visions of hell to traumatize them forever told me this wasn't anyone who was nice! The constant appeals to "suffering" for your own salvation and more told me, these events were not holy. In Catholic school as a child, I had this one teacher who loved Fatima, and made constant pilgrimages there. "Mary" seemed to be who she followed rather then Jesus.

One Vatican approved apparition is Our Lady of Fatima, and one of the most widely known ones where "Mary" showed up to three children in Portugal and gave them messages. It was interesting to note the figure calling itself "Mary" showing up at Fatima told the three children:

"Only I can help you. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and the way that will lead you to God."

Sometimes this is translated too as "Only I can save you"

Consider how much in opposition this is to the gospel!.

Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Sorry but everything this "Mary" figure makes up sounds like something Satan would definitely make up. Do not forget Satan's assertion in Isaiah 14:14 "I will be like the most High."

There is even more contradictions against scripture.

"Mary" of Fatima states:

"Here you see hell, where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart... Pray, pray a great deal and make sacrifices for sinners. So many souls go to hell because there is no one to pray and sacrifice for them.”

What God says:

Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Definite discrepancies there. Even the line about saving souls from hell? Well think that one out, how is someone saved who is already in hell?

This was a definite "angel of light" to deceive!

There are many websites on line that expose the anti scriptural assertions of this demonic figure like this one:

"I boldly assert that His suffering became my suffering, because His heart was mine. And just as Adam and Eve sold the world for an apple, so in a certain sense my Son and I redeemed the world with one heart".

I recommend this book for all to read:

The Marian Apparitions' Plan calls for this "miracle" to unite all religions under the umbrella of the Roman Catholic Church! These Marian Apparitions are REAL -- they are demons masquerading as the Virgin Mary so men and women the world over will worship her rather than Jesus

But, most insidiously, demons are masquerading in other major world religions, appearing as apparitions of the primary Goddess of that religion -- from Hinduism to Buddhism. Therefore, the Marian Apparitions are appealing to Hindus and Buddhists, thus uniting these religions under Rome.

The authors of this critically important book ask these questions: 1) Who is the "Queen" of Revelation 18? 2) Who is the "Lady of Kingdoms" referred to in Isaiah 47:5? You may be shocked to realize that the Catholic Virgin Mary is just a reincarnation of this Chaldean "Lady of Kingdoms". It is time to uncover this mystery, expose the identity and agenda of the "Queen", and realize her prophetic place in Scripture.

140 pages, paperback"

The authors are correct, this "Mary" figure actually is drawing in all religions who look to a "goddess" figure: this includes Buddhists, Hindus and even according to this report Muslims.

"In an unexpected twist of globalization, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims and other pilgrims regularly
worship at famous Roman Catholic shrines to the Virgin Mary such as Lourdes in France and Fatima in Portugal. They drink the holy water, light votive candles and pray fervently to the Madonna for help with life's hardships. Many venerate her like one of their own goddesses, a view that would be a heresy if a Catholic theologian tried to defend it.

"Rather than turned away, the newcomers are
free to join the crowds from Ireland, Italy, Spain, and other traditionally Catholic countries who flock to Europe's most popular shrines."

What is sad is many evangelicals who should biblically know better, are being led back to the false Catholic version of Mary.

For those who think God would send someone back from the dead to pass out warnings [of course some of these apparitions are supernatural while others are based on pure charlatanry] Luke 16:25-31 clears that up

25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

The sad thing is so many are deceived, and there are new "Marian apparitions" still popping up all over. The Vatican even keeps "approving" even older ones of these even with this one in Wisconsin..


Anonymous said...

This "Mary" is indeed the Abomination of Desolation. See Jeremiah:

17But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the *******QUEEN OF HEAVEN*******, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

18But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

19And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

20Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him that answer, saying,

21The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the LORD remember them, and came it not into his mind?

22So that the LORD could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the ********ABOMINATIONS********* which ye have committed; therefore is your land a *********DESOLATION*********, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day.

23Because ye have burned incense, and because ye have sinned against the LORD, and have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, nor walked in his law, nor in his statutes, nor in his testimonies; therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day. Jer. 44

As we can see by this, Judah was desolated because of their worship of the queen of heaven, which also meant that the "god" they really worshiped was Baal, even though they denied this:

Jeremiah 2:23

23How canst thou say, I am not polluted, I have not gone after Baalim? see thy way in the valley, know what thou hast done: thou art a swift dromedary traversing her ways;

This apparition is indeed the Abomination of Desolation, and it is the Antichrist who has raised it to a great height so that it even speaks. Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

I want to add that those who teach that the abomination of desolation is yet to appear in the future are simply aiding the deception by pointing elsewhere to it. This abomination in "christian" form (in pagan form she was born in Sumer [later called Babylon] and called the "tree of life") has been long in the making, being first introduced as the "mother of god" at the Council of Ephesus. This was just the first step in her evolution, but the last step to the great apostasy that has continued to lead souls to hell ever since. Anon. #1

Bible Believer said...

I agree this is the "queen of heaven" warned about in Jer 44. and the "Daughter of Chaldea. I do not know if she fulfills the abomination of desolation. That one is hard to fathom, perhaps you could explain that more. We know that Rome brings with it a gold cup of abominations.

I do believe that a false vision of "Mary" could be part of end times deceptions, especially when it comes to "he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men" considering "Mary" already supposely caused the 'sun to come down from the sky".

Anonymous said...

This abomination has taken the place of Christ in the hearts of many people. She is the one to whom many are devoted, and to whom many go to first. Rome has placed her where she does not belong, not only in the hearts of the people--the very inner place where only the I AM belongs, but Rome has also placed her beside the I AM ruling equally with a throne for herself also. Yes, Rome has placed this abomination where it ought not to be. Anon. #1

Lisa Ruby said...

I think some of these "Marian Apparitions" could be holographic images.

Bible Believer said...

I believe they are too, especially this one...

Abbey said...

I appreciate your time and research Bible Believer. Thank you.

I believe as you do that these "appearances" are demonic and will be one of the delusions to deceive even more of the masses in the last days. I find it sad and upsetting that so many people just believe what the "infallible" pope and the church of Rome has taught over the centuries. The people have been indoctrinated so much that they don't see all the lies that are so blatant to us. Sadly it's spreading beyond the RCC too.

Thank God He, by His grace, has shown us the truth.

"Dedicate yourselves to my immaculate heart, only I can save you." Pure blasphemy straight out out of the pits of hell.

Anonymous said...

Amen! Truly an Abomination that makes desolate! Anon. #1

Bible Believer said...

I agree last Anon...

Thanks Abbey. I posted this link on a Catholic/nonCatholic discussion board, it was censored immediately. They do not want their people to find out the truth.

Yes these appearances are demonic, and I think will be part of more end times delusions. I find it sad too how many have been deceived by the Catholic church. So many, but then I remember when I was born again and God showed me what the RCC really was. I came out of the RCC only days after I was saved and rejected the Eucharist wafer even earlier then that. Yes they are bringing the Marian stuff into the other churches, even evangelical. As the one world religion takes shape, I think these apparitions will play even more of a part. At the church in Fatima some years ago, they invited Hindus [who worship "Mary" as a goddess] to pray at a Catholic altar, so already "Mary" is being used to bring the religions together.

Warning this is a Trad. Catholic website but pictures here:

Abbey said...

Ironic that the church recognizes the Hindu "gods" as being demons and that they worship idols but don't see the fact that they are doing the same thing. It's interesting how the writer of the article quotes scripture to prove his point. If they really read their bibles they would discover many truths to uncover their blind eyes. Mary is NOT portrayed as the Queen of Heaven, mother of us all, the wife of the Holy Spirit, a goddess, C0-Redeemer, a perpetual virgin etc.. Most don't know or believe that Jesus had brothers and sisters, yet it is written in the catholic bible.

As we know, this goal of the RCC to unite all religions under Rome has been progressing for YEARS.
From the article **** "Members of all religions worship the same god and are part of the “global family”.****

I came out of the RCC in my late teens and get really worked up (Many times to the point of anger I'll admit)on the false teachings and paganism. I have family that I cry and pray for and hope their eyes will be opened before it's too late. May God be gracious.

I'm grateful for your posts.

Bible Believer said...

Most of my family is still in the Catholic church or have become agnostic. There are times I want to cry knowing young family members are being brought up in the Catholic church. I have prayed they see the truth too. Yes Mary is being used to bring together the "one world religion" The "Daughter of Chaldea" warned of in the OT. What is interesting is how many Marian apparition sites often where grottos or spots 'sacred" to pagans in terms of the "goddess" before Mary show up. I am going to do a thread on Mary as Co-Redemptrix, which is something they have pursued, I actually expected that to have been made official by now, but they probably need to warm up the frogs a bit in that soon to boil pot to accept it.

Anonymous said...

you have opened my eyes and now i can see the truth it does contradict what was written and what we are being presented with (apparitions of mary )
it also states the devil would fool us and present himself as something other to deceive and mislead and this is what is happening.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks, I am glad you appreciated this article and that it helped you. Yes the Bible warns of the devil/demons coming as "angels of light", "mary" in these apparitions fits the bill.

Anonymous said...

How many times have I tried to warn everyone - not just Catholics - that this was a false vision and that "Virgin Mary" (the Queen of Heaven talked about in Jeremiah - a false idol that the Israelites were worshipping) was NOT sinless. I get so very sad even thinking about the masses that have been sucked in to this in the past and the even bigger masses in the future. I have family members. Why oh Why do people NOT SEEK truth with their whole hearts when their very soul is on the line. They march like little robots towards this big hole that will dump them right into hell. I still try to reach out to everyone - taxicab drivers - strangers I run into - everyone - please Jesus let them listen. He tells us that only those that love truth will be going to heaven. And it just doesn't "pop up" there for you. You truly have to spend every ounce of breath in you searching for it - but first asking the Lord Jesus to forgive your sins and lead you into all truth.

The "orbs" that are appearing in pictures and in people's homes - these are satanic demons. The "angels" that are marching in to people's homes - satanic. Even the "Jesus" that many have seen is actually one of the three faces of Maitreya that they are seeing - and not Jesus our Lord. The "Jesus" pictures on our walls is actually a picture of Maitreya!

I wonder how many millions have marched into hell because truth was so hidden they just didn't know. But we are living in a time when people CAN KNOW THE TRUTH if they will just open their eyes and search for it!

Bible Believer said...

I have warned for years too about this stuff, most are not listening. They are all basically following after the "daughter of Chaldea" and do not realize that the true Mary was a "human being" and want to elevate her to 'god-status"./ It's into the Protestant circles too where ignorance about these apparitions is immense. When you even warn the evangelical pastors who all been sheep-dipped into ecumenical training, about the Catholic church or this, they get angry and close you off.
I get sad too about the masses blindly following this stuff. It is difficult. I have many family members who are still Catholic, and children being raised in the Catholic church having Harry Potter books to them read at school and being taught about these Marian apparitions like I was. I keep praying that they know the truth.

The Bible talks about those who love the truth..
I know I do not understand so many who are just not interested in knowing. I believe there are many seekers who want to know but there are many who do not. One needs to love the truth to go to heaven as you said.

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Watching the robots, sometimes it is scary, why don't they question anything? Why do they believe everything they hear on the news, and are suckered into every propaganda? You are right it is like watching the lemmings walk off into a giant hole.

Keep trying to reach who you can. One video to share is one above, and there are books as well.
I believe they need to repent and be born again too, to be lead into the truth, and then they need to continue to pray to God to show them what is right. Let Him guide their steps.
Some of the "orbs" they get excited about are dust blobs on photos but there are the satanic ones of light too. The "angels" and "deceased" people. I have warned even a "ghost hunting" society that they were seeking after demons. They spoke of seeing the orbs. The most Marian Catholics, who pray unceasingly to familiar spirits are the ones who open the door even more to demonic spirits to make physical manifestations. The false "jesus" is pictured all over Catholicism.

Satanic symbols abound here, hand signs, sun sign, long hair when in Jesus's time, long hair was a shame unto a man and more. Notice the split beard it's there too, and yes many see the same "being" over and over.

Today with literacy, the wickedness of the cults being freely exposed such as the scandals of the RCC, the internet, Bibles[in this country] freely available, truth is available more then ever before, the fact is many do not love the truth.

John Daigon Julius said...

Mary brought forth the WORD. Through her the Church was born. The Universal one that is and it is by God's will that man should be under the one umbrella.

St. John said that not everything is contained in the Bible and that we should listen also to the words by mouth namely tradition in the Bible. This is also said by numerous others in the Bible and if only we keep our opinion to ourselves and not pretend to think we know more than what is inspired by the Holy Spirit, there will be one Church.

Another example is the recent prediction of May 21 2011.

Our Mother Mary is warning mankind and because the Word has come through her, it is only right and appropriate that such warning are coming THROUGH her. As St. John and others have said in the Bible that not everything is written down. Take for example the Station of the Cross. That certainly is not written in the Bible but rather by word of mouth which our Mother Mary started when she followed the footsteps of her Son after his death like we all do in trying to remeber our loved ones.

Mary is the sanctuary. She is the covenant of the New Testament whom contains the Living Word as in the covenant of the Old Testament.

Despite what Jesus said at Cana, he still obeyed his mother in changing the water into wine. Is this not respect and reverence?

Plus how can one allude something as this about Mary. Do we think that God whom is perfect will not allow the Mother of His Son to be perfect? God already knew right from the beginning that man will fall to the deception of the world which is still going on. He had already plan everything. He is the transcendent God. He is the author of life. He is the creator.

When one mocks Mary, he or she is mocking the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Because through Her the three are entwined.

Another example of our misunderstanding and why we should not attempt to interpret the Bible without the help of the Holy Spirit can also be seen in the attack made against the One True Apostolic Church about graven images. God permitted the use of graven images. You should only read about the bronze serpent, the ark of the covenant and the cherubim in the Old Testament to understand this or John 3:14-15 and others. There are many more readings in the Bible that pertains to graven images, as well as readings for pagan gods. These two are clearly defined in the Bible and we should not as in the present case refer to one side of the coin only for clearly this is not the teaching of our heavenly Father but rather mankind.

Mary is exhalted in the Bible and yet there are others out there whom have decided not to acknowledge what was spoken by the Bible in the Old and New Testament.

Everyhting that Mary had said that I know of are about the saving grace of mankind and nothing to do with evil. I ask, where in any of Mary's messages is evil?

By the way, God did send out the dead through His own Son before Christ ascended into heaven.

Mary is our mother because Her Son gave Her to us at the foot of the cross and to deny this is denying Christ himself and God our Almighty Father for it is Him Who gave us His Son so that we be save.

John Daigon Julius

Bible Believer said...

I have a question for you, why are you so sure, that it is Mary [of the bible] that is showing up in those apparitions? Where does that surety come from? Do you see even see the potentiality of a evil spirit lying? What would be more perfect then to claim to be Mary?

There is evil that has shown up in these apparitions. Even Bernadette of Lourdes had early discernment wondering if she had seen a demon as well as her parents?

Sadly Bernadette did not follow the biblical precept of testing a spirit [1 John 4:2-3]and trusted in false holy water...
"Bernadette asked if she might go to the grotto and her father told her she might go if she took a flask of holy water with her, to exorcise the apparition should it prove to be a demon."

What prediction are you talking about [a marian one for May 21st? [the rapture one was proven false]

I have read Marian books while Catholic, and many prophecies of "mary" did not come to pass. The demons play with the minds of those deceived by false relgion, such as the one in Lasalette claiming that Rome will become the seat of the antichrist [it always has been]

What of that Great Secret from Fatima that was supposed to be read, in 1960 but the information was surpressed? Just more deception and delusion and distraction.

Why trust in the messages of these false spirits instead of what is contained in the Bible? When I was in the Catholic church towards the end of my sojurn there, Iw as reading the bible and also reading books on Marian apparitions from the church library, there was endless contradictions. When "Mary" says things like "I can only save you" that is blasphemy as well as the endless demands for glory should it be a cathedral or being named Co-Redemptrix as one Japanese apparition called for. Please watch the video and read that book, they go into even more detail. Do not put your trust in this demon masquarading as "Miriam" from the Bible.

More here for you...

Anonymous said...

I believe in the "approved" apparitions of the Blessed Mother by the RCC.

FYI, one may believe or may not believe in these "approved" apparitions, the RCC does not bind the faithful one way or the other on these. The church only says that regarding these "approved" apparitions, the church finds no contradictory messages or information coming out from the event(s) with regard to the church's teachings.

There are many reported apparitions of the Blessed Mother within the 20th century, but only a very few are "approved". I myself do believe in a few like Garabandal and Medjugorje but once the church makes a declaration on the authenticity otherwise,....I will follow the Magisterium of the church.

I do have some comments regarding the "Messages from Heaven" video above.

At 7:30 Raul Ries comments that Mary acknowledges herself as a sinner. I beg to differ, Mary acknowledging God as her savior does not imply that she has sinned. The church teaches that Mary was saved by god by a kind of prevention from falling into sin whereas we have all fallen into sin and by the merits of Christ we can be saved. So Mary rightly acknowledges God as her Savior in the Magnificat in Luke's Gospel 1:46

Ask yourself this:

Can our Lord and savior Jesus Christ (the spotless lamb), whose main mission is to come into the world to destroy born of a sinner?
Can the mother of our lord be subject to satan?

The definition of Ark is actually a protective containment vessel.

The Ark of the Covenant actually contains Jesus Christ.....
These things are commanded by God to Moses to put in the Ark:

1. Ten Commandment tablets ( Word of God....Jesus)
2. Aaron's priestly staff (signifying Jesus the High Priest, Hebrews 5:5-6
According to the order of Melchizedek
3. Manna (Jesus the bread from heaven)...John Chapter 6 and again      Melchizedek Gn. 14:18-20

If you recall the burning bush with Moses having to take off his sandals to approach God. The ground itself is holy!

With Kind David (2 Samuel 6:1-7) & (1 Chronicles 13:9-12), Uzzah was struck dead by just touching the Ark!

So we see that the contents in the Ark is Jesus (God).

In RCC, one of our Blessed Mother's title is "Ark of the Covenant".....rightly so!......elementary!..... Why?......she was prophesied as the virgin who will give birth to the savior of the world!! And as she states "hence forth all generations shall call me Blessed" Again the Magnificat Luke 1:48

Do you call her "Blessed"?

Also, at 8:14 Winston Bygrave quotes Jesus saying " is finished!"

What is finished?

Bible Believer said...

Have you ever wondered why some are approved and some are NOT and they say it's ok, to believe "if you want" talk about moral relativism on a massive scale, there alone the RCC teaches against the Bible and the "unity of believers". Even the approved messages as I dictate in this blog article have much that is against God. The real "Mary" of the Bible, not the creature showing up to deceive, says "Do as He tells You" and well, following false apparitions that teach contrary to God's Word, is not following the commandments of Jesus Christ.

Even the approved apparition sites are joined together for the one world religion...Trad website talking about when Hindus came to pray to the goddess and queen of heaven too at Fatima

Do you realize even the apparition at Medjugorje, preached for all religions to come together?

This is Satan himself preaching

""God presides over all religions as a king controls his subjects, through his priests and ministers."

Catholicism is bad too, but notice this message

"Question: "Is the Blessed Mother calling all people to be Catholic?"
"No. The Blessed Mother says all religions are dear to her and her Son."
Why would Mary say she needs a Savior if she supposedly had no sin?

The RCC advances a "sinless goddess" not the human being who was Mary in the Bible. Why wouldn't Rome want to claim perfection for it's "queen of heaven"?

Why is it so important to you, that Mary be sinless, shouldn't you be looking to the righteousness of Jesus Christ?

Jesus Christ came into a sinful world overall, what difference the womb compared to the evils of the world he encountered on a day to day basis here?

Jesus Himself is the Ark according to scripture.

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

The real Mary was "blessed" but this does not give credibility to the "queen of heaven" that Rome worships.

The sacrifice on the cross for sins was finished.

kev said...

There is only 2 churches that have apostolic succession that is catholic and orthodox churches. We do not worship Mary at all. But she is queen of heaven that doesn't mean she is a goddesses. She is the mother of our lord our king our savior which makes her our queen and we love her as our own mother we love her as Jesus loved her. She leads us to her son who died for us. The church is un corruptible even if popes and priests commit horrible sins the church always remains pure Jesus prayed that gates of hell would never prevail over his church. Most marain apparitions are not approved and could be demonic but the one that have been approved such as Fatima and lordes have been tested and are the virigin Mary demons can do many things and fool many but there power is limited the church is never fooled. Demons cannot heal cancer broken bones heal the blind teriminal cancer many diseases all documented cannot be done by demons. Protestant churches just have opinion after opinion with out any authority it is just caious thousands of denominations each preaching different opinions makes no sense at all some believe the Eucharist some don't some believe in abortion some don't some believe in gay marriage some don't some have there on hierarchy of authority some don't each minister preaches there own opinion no authority means complete caious we lutherans evangelicals Anglican babtist Methodist each praching there own opinions don't get me started on Mormons and jahvoses witness this is complete caios without authority and apostolic succession peter means rock he gave keys to he kingdom. No one has ever argued for over a thousand years that Mary was saved by god and removed her original sin it is the only way that she carried Jesus was to be sinless no one for over thousand years before protestanism ever even debated marys perpetual virginty her soul only magnifies the greatness of my lord and savior Jesus. And meditating on the mysteries of the rosary has helped me to stop sining by focusing on the life of Jesus and Mary it is amazing how pure I feel after meditating slowly on the rosaries mysteries stops me from committing many sins and helps me focus on Jesus and Mary and there life on earth. Forgive my poor English and grammar.

Anonymous said...

So they hate catholics. And so if I am not a catholic. Jesus has shown me how to appreciate all that wish to enter the kingdom of heaven. Jehovahs witness and heaps of other religions. Cos to be like him I must not pass judgement but embrace the good things of each religion. How then can you be of christ if you can judge anothers following. Then I beg you brothers that you pray for your own souls. You should be happy that someone appreciates the mother of christ. Without her he would not exist. Do you not have mothers? Imagine being born of a mother who caried no sin. And then she is completely forgotten. This was relevant to the birth of christianity. No matter what church you follow.

Bible Believer said...

I do not hate Catholics, I was one and grew up Catholic. I want Catholics to know how they are being deceived. There are not many paths or followings to heaven but only one way in Jesus Christ, the Catholic church is deceiving there too with their interfaithism. The real Mary is in heaven, she does not desire your worship. The one appearing as "Mary" on this earth is another entity. Jesus Christ existed before Mary and is eternal being God. Jesus Christ existed before all created things.

"He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For IN him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things were created THROUGH HIM and FOR HIM. AND HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS, and IN HIM all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, THAT IN EVERYTHING HE MIGHT BE PREEMINENT." Colossians 1:13-18"

That is false that without her, that Jesus Christ would not exist.

Roman M. Skikun said...

Dear Bible Believer,
Thank you for trying to lead people away from false and / or evil teachings, and to God. Yes, demons do exist, and they can come to us trying to deceive us. But you are mistaken in your beliefs about approved Marian apparitions at < >. In what follows, I will quote your beliefs after the notation "BB", and give my responses to them after the notation "RS":
1) BB: "Here is a good video that describes how scripture shows these apparitions to be false" RS: These visions are not false. The
"pillar of truth" (1 Timothy 3:15) has investigated them and found them to be true, which it has not done for most purported apparitions of Mary. Also, what does she do in these visions except to point us to Jesus, to ask for prayer or pennance for the conversion of sinners, or to intercede on behalf of our prayers to God?
2) BB: "To be frank, "Mary" creeped me out, even her willingness to show poor little kids, visions of hell to traumatize them forever told me this wasn't anyone who was nice!" RS: This vision didn't traumatize Lucia, Jacinta, and Francisco, and it was nice - it's trying to save us from Hell.
3) BB: "constant appeals to "suffering" for your own salvation and more told me, these events were not holy." RS: Suffering can remit temporal punishment of sin (2 Macc. 12:42; please also see < > )
4) BB: "Only I can help you. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and the way that will lead you to God."
RS: What Mary actually said in response to Lucia's question to her, "Am I to stay here alone?" was "No, My daughter. Are you suffering a great deal? Do not lose heart, I will never forsake you! My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and the way that will lead you to God." Mary leads us to no one other than Jesus, and it does so not through false teachings or evil practices, but through her "Immaculate Heart", which is grieved by all of the sins by which we offend God.
5) BB: "Definite discrepancies there. Even the line about saving souls from hell? Well think that one out, how is someone saved who is already in hell?" RS: Neither these sacrifices, nor any other possible sacrifices, save any poor soul from Hell who is already there. They can only possibly save people from going to Hell in the first place by converting them to God.
6) BB: "The Marian Apparitions' Plan calls for this "miracle" to unite all religions under the umbrella of the Roman Catholic Church!" RS: The religions of the world aren't supposed to be united under the Catholic Church, but the people of the world are supposed to be united under it. The Catholic Church was the original and only church founded by Jesus (Matthew 16:18). There is only supposed to be "one Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5) and the Catholic Church is it. It was to St. Peter that Jesus gave the keys to kingdom (Matthew 16:19). It was to St. Peter and Jesus' other apostles that Jesus gave the power to bind and to loose (Matthew 18:18). It was to His apostles that Jesus sent God the Holy Spirit to guide them to all truth (John 16:13) The Earthly members of the Catholic Church, both religious and lay, are fallible, like any other human being of any other religion. But the teachings and practices of the Catholic Church (including the Holy Bible which it received and preserved for humanity for almost the last 2,000 years) are reliable.
I pray that God blesses you to see the truth in these matters.
Your's in Christ,
Roman M. Skikun
Novi, MI, USA

Anonymous said...

Firstly it must be said that the Catholic church never teaches that Mary is anything more than a woman, the Mother of God,born without the effects of Adam's fall, who should never be worshipped as only God should be worshipped as in the ten commandments. The reverence to be shown to Mary comes from the respect and love shown by Christ to his Mother at Cana and on the cross where even as he was dying, he thought of her care and safety.
Secondly, the Church teaches than no Catholic need believe in any private apparition even those approved such as Lourdes or Fatima. Medjugorje is quoted but the Church has grave reservations about a succession of appearances that go on and on over a twenty year period with the lives of the 'seers' no better for the experience. Even the messages of the supposed Mary are banal and silly... Women should wear a hat in church...
No-one needs to believe these apparitions to obtain immortal life as Jesus's sacrifice is sufficient for our salvation.
Your comments remind me of old style sectarian protestantism that spits bile at the Catholic Church as the whore of Babylon etc. I am sure that Jesus loves you if you are in your conscience attempting to do his will in your reliance on His Holy Bible. I will pray that he overlooks your probably unintended insults against his Mother and looks to your obvious faith. Sometimes we tend to think we know the mind of God and condemn too quickly the beliefs of others as of the devil or of satanic action, rather than just another soul searching for the truth in this valley of tears.I can feel the zeal of Paul in your words, be careful He does not knock you off your horse. In a common love of Jesus.

thehughman said...

Reading about the apparitions of Mary has lead me to pray more and I think become a better person. I am however motivated mainly out of a fear of going to hell. In her apparitions she is always talking about leading people to her Son Jesus. I find this omission striking in this article. It does not seem an article objectively and humbly searching for the truth rather just being a lawyer for one side of the argument. I am Catholic and believe many of these apparitions to be genuine. "You will know a tree by it's fruit". Does believing in these apparitions lead to more sinning? What disgusts me is my Protestant friends who go to strip bars and cheat on their wives and then go to church on Sunday. They say that actions mean nothing it's just your faith that matters. Protestantism leads souls to hell. And now to the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life bar none. People on this page complaining about a one world religion. WHAT!!!! There is one God! Jesus did not Peter to make many churches!! One God, one Church.

Bible Believer said...

I am curious so what did you think of the picture of the Catholic Cardinal bowing and lighting incense before a picture of a hindu god?

So do you think that is a GOOD THING?

the demonic marian apparitions are leading people to a false "jesus".

I am not a Protestant. Most are daughters of Rome.

thehughman said...

What is a daughter of Rome? Are you Catholic? There are 1 billion + Catholics. Many Bishops,priests, etc... The act of one doesn't constitute the belief of all. I didn't see any bowing by the Bishop but I did see him lighting a candle. Did Mary tell him to light the candle? What does lighting the candle symbolize? Why can't Muslims, Buddists, oh Hindus come to Fatima? Mary is bringing her children to Jesus. I think it's beautiful. You say it's a false Jesus. In what way? In light of this page I went back and started reading the apparitions from Medjugorje and I must say I am never asked to worship Mary. Of course I could be wrong and God forgive me if I am.

Bible Believer said...

Why would any would be "Christian" light a candle to a statue of a hindu "god or goddess" [idol]? I don't know who or what told him to light the candle? The Hindus in the room with him but he went against the first commandment right there. The Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus are coming to Fatima to worship the "goddess" the queen of heaven-Jer 44 and Daughter of Chaldea. The apparition from Medjugorje do call for all religions to come together.

thehughman said...

Yes but you digress. We are talking about Mary and you make some off topic attack on a Bishop. You said he bowed. He didn't. Where do lies come from? Mary? Jesus? Or the devil? I don't care if he lit a candle. I would care if you included next to the picture what lighting a candle actually meant But we are left to guess. And besides that response had nothing to do with the text I posted. You changed the subject the way all athiests and anti-Catholics do when posed with simple questions that refute what they say. Mary is preparing the way for the return of Her Son. Let me pose another question that I don't expect an answer to. Has anything miraculous happened in the past 2000 years? Or is God dead. Also, can you point out anywhere in the Bible where Satan does miracles? Also it says in the Bible that evil spirits won't acknowledges Jesus. And that every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God. I think I remember some other proud men thinking that only they understood about religion. They claimed that Jesus's miracles were from the devil as well. You better rethink you're life because you are aligning yourself against the Church of Jesus Christ. It is run by men and those men are sinners no doubt. You act as if it were really the Church of Jesus then it would make no mistakes. Ridiculous. If the Catholic Church and the Blessed Mother were really the devil in disguise then why would Mary warn at Garabandal that many Bishops and Priests are on the road to perdition and taking many souls with them? Why would she appear with Jesus and Angels? A divided house can not stand. I am going to read revelation and find out about this woman you are talking about. I have a totally open mind. I haven't read revelation in a while so I am interested in your theory. Anything is possible.

Bible Believer said...

Attack? LOL there are two of them right in front of the hindu idols lighting candles or a lamp? Does this mean you support the Hindus being invited to pray to their false gods/goddesses at Fatima? Mary is not preparing the way for the return of her Son, if anything these apparitions are preparing the way for the Antichrist, who you think will be "jesus" as the false gospel of the RCC leads many to deception. This is why you can write to me with a straight face that you see no concern with Catholic bishops basically spitting on the first commandment and "worshipping" false gods right in photos. "They were just lighting a candle" is an understatment of the year, I guess it could even be a statue of Beezelebub [basically the same thing] and them lighting a pinch of incense to it and you would make excuses. The demonic apparitions do mix in a few truths with all the lies, better to deceive people with. I have no worries that the RCC is definitely the harlot warned of in Revelation. What the RCC has done, with it's call for world government, sex abuse scandals, false theology, inquisitions, is far beyond a "few mistakes". Jesus Christ told us to judge by the fruits. Verses for you considering the apparitions that you say have Mary and the angels appear alongside each other...In Mark 13, Jesus said basically that the time you will see Him again is at the time of his Second Coming, not in visions and apparitions.

Mar 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here [is] Christ; or, lo, [he is] there; believe [him] not:

Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.

Mar 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

I apply that verse to Rome's Eucharistic tabernacles as well.

thehughman said...

Hmmmm....I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and I'm really trying to see where you are coming from but I'm just not getting it. I would not light a candle to a false God but then again I wouldn't judge anyone else unless I really knew what significance it had. I don't see an idol there, just a candle. And remember how there was no bowing? You misrepresented the event to skew things your way. I must take things you say with a grain of salt because you have already born false witness. It's not like the bishop has an idol and a candle in his house. I think maybe he just didn't want to insult anyone. You seem very sure about things there are very little facts about. As far as the queen of heaven that was worshipped in the old testament...I can see where you might draw a parallel but there were no apparitions or miracles. The two share a similar name, that's all. It is food for thought no doubt however I was already looking at the apparitions with skepticism. I think they are real. I can not be 100% sure. I don't think anyone can. That fact that you are so sure casts doubt in my mind with what you are saying. There is no humility in your words. You sound like one of Jesus's "holy" enemies in the New Testament. I could be wrong. But so could you. To say the RCC is the harlot does't make sense. And I told you you wouldn't answer my question.

Bible Believer said...

Tell me what is wrong with "judging" someone breaking the first commandment. If someone tells you hey I am a Christian and then gives 'worship' to a hindu god or goddess [remember that is what lighting the candles and incense is about there] you are not going to think twice about it? It seems to me you are making far too many excuses for these folks. When one is truly saved and loves Jesus Christ, these commandments count and apply to the REAL world, not just "suggestions".

Thou shalt have no other gods before Me." (Exodus 20:2-3 KJV)

I am glad you wouldn't do it, so why don't you apply the same standards to your religious leaders? I mean why even follow anyone like that? They obviously have no loyalty to Jesus Christ. In my case of course I believe Rome follows a false 'christ" so this is why honoring the "gods" of Mystery Babylon, is no problem with Catholic circles, this is why Catholic Cardinals have prayed to Allah [of Islam] and your Pope goes to visit mosques and prays there.

What is there to misinterpret when there is PICTURES?

There are endless examples of Roman Catholic clergy offering "worship" and doing the rituals of false religions.

There are dozens of examples.

So you think because he did this AWAY from home, that makes it OK, WHY?

You can bypass worshipping false gods and avoid insult. Does this mean we are to worship false gods, so unbelievers do not get offended? You think all the martyrs who died refusing to worship false gods or kneel before a false Catholic Eucharist, were worrying about "offending people"? No they worried first about OFFENDING GOD, and God was first in their life. People have died rather then worship false gods, and there are your clergy members willy-nilly doing it, thinking nothing of it really but that shows what they are about and it comes out of them being lost and indoctrinated into false one world religion or b} knowing deceivers wanting to help muddy the waters. Either way, there is no loyalty to Jesus Christ on display there whatsoever and they have betrayed even the non-believers in the room refusing to stand up.

So why believe these men about anything?

And then with the apparitions I am glad you are skeptical. Remember some apparitions have been used even on the POLITICAL front, for certain goals and understand what I am hinting at there.

One thing when I was still Catholic, I was studying the apparitions, seeking for truth there, but ironically was reading the Bible [a Catholic] one at the same time. Studying these things helped wake me up. So I hope you continue in a search for truth that way, Praying.

thehughman said...

You have convinced yourself that I think it is OK for a Catholic to pray to false idols. I never said that. You have to misrepresent what I said in order to have a valid point. I have learned in my life that every opinion matters. I am not so quick to come to snap conclusions. I know nothing about what lighting a candle means. You have already misrepresented what happened by saying that he bowed. You would be good and honest to edit the page. Take out the part about bowing and explain to the reading what lighting a candle means. First find out exactly what it means, don't guess. Then the piece would be powerful because it would be honest. The first thing I thought of when I saw the picture is all the CATHOLIC martyrs that died defending the faith. Then I remembered the pain in my own life when I was falsely accused and did the honest Christian thing and did not come to a quick conclusion. Also...why are none of my questions ever answered by you? What miraculous things have happened in the last 2000 years? Was it the devil performing all those miracles and bringing people closer to God? What is the test of a real/false prophet or spirit? Remember the Bible is the inspired word of God! God does not lie! WHAT IS THE TEST!!!! Your eyes are closed! Open them! You will not say it will you. Because you know the apparitions pass the test. Then you will say the demon is clever. But if the demon is clever the Bible is wrong.

Bible Believer said...

Huh? This probably will be my last message, because arguing over this is fruitless. It is not OK for ANYONE to pray to false idols. You keep reducing things down to "lighting a candle" as if this was about Joe Schmoe lighting a candle on his table when the electricity went out, nope this is something different. One thing Rome has morphed for the purposes for the one world religion, some of your old martyrs probably did die rather then bow to Allah of Islam or worship different false gods of other religions, but that said since they were still in Roman Catholicism following 'another gospel" they were still in spiritual trouble themselves. I don't recall anyone asking this spirit if Jesus was God come in the flesh. That is the biblical test.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Of course human beings can lie too.

Anonymous said...

I am a christian and if I try to lead anyone to Jesus or tell him to turn away from sin, what does this make me? A false prophet? The Devil's disciple. Oh!! maybe we can assume that Lucifer and his demons have all repented and forgiven by God and with God's permission they can now save humans from eternal damnation through apparitions in the form of Mary. I wonder if any of you could sense the contradiction here. If the heart is in darkness, it becomes blind to see the truth.

Bible Believer said...

The mary apparitions is leading people to a false "jesus".

There is no contradiction. There are false prophets who have called themselves "jesus" and were not.

Anonymous said...

No, my friend, they are safe and are assured salvation. It is you who has been lost since your late teens and who is in need of our prayers. Read the proper Bible carefully. How fitting and appropriate (if it is, as you allege, the goal of the RCC to unite all religions under it)that the glorious and blessed Virgin Mary, historically the first Christian,is the instrument to achieve this - she is, after all, the perfect role model on how to be a true Christian!May she intercede for you before it is too late!

Bible Believer said...

If the "queen of heaven" is used to unite the world religions it will be for the antichrist not for Jesus Christ. Anyhow most members of Mystery Babylon are already worshipping her under different names...goddess, this and that.

Bible Believer said...

Even Reverend Moon and false religious leaders preach against "sin", this proves nothing.

Loosh64 said...

The Queen of Heaven is Asherah. Known to Solomon as Wisdom, possibly the Queen of Sheeba. Song of Solomon 6:10 is definately stolen for Mary later in the recitation of the rosary. Many of the things that happened in these apparitions are evil, the girls running backward and forward on their knees over gravel, hosts dripping in blood. I think though that one cannot make sweeping statements and say all are evil, I think God fights fire with fire and there are some apparitions that are pure, like Our Lady of Guadalupe and the Miraculous Medal. But one has to read extensively to get to these conclusions. The Church goes through many tests of these "apparitions", and I think in some instances, God sees how many will fall when their faith is shaken to the core in such a manner, that He "allows" some of these things to happen. Possibly to the absolute fury to the instigator. I was raised Catholic, and it took me forever to pray the rosary, and when I did finally, I was 24, and I found it incredibly hard, like I was not encouraged. When I prayed an Our Father, my soul soared. I ended up only praying the Our Father. I ended up not been Catholic, and not Christian even, but a believer in God the Father and incredibly in His Wife and Mother of all humanity, that has been squashed by the Catholics, and indeed by those diabolical apparitions. I tried hard to believe, I did believe even, but it slowly came undone, as I didn't rely on blind faith, as a God who is such a brilliant scientist, would not want us following blindly, but would want us to investigate. I read an extensive paper on Asherah once, and the final line was; it's uncertain what an Asherah is, but whatever it is, YAHWEH has one.

Bible Believer said...

I will pray for you, I do not believe any of the apparitions are real at all. I am glad you were able to see some of them are evil, but that applies to all of them. Would you describe yourself as a Wiccan, if you believe in a "lord" and "lady" you seem to lean that way. The Queen of heaven is warned against in the Bible. The Catholic church is not to be trusted with the apparitions, they even tell their people you can believe in them if you choose to. The prayers to mary are false, this is why you felt different praying Our Father. God does not go with Asherath, in fact Asherath, Diana, etc, queen of heaven [under different names], is named as God's enemy through out the entire bible.

Act 19:35 And when the townclerk had appeased the people, he said, [Ye] men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the [image] which fell down from Jupiter?

Here is my testimony, I am an EX Catholic and EX UU Theosophist, and in the UU I did study goddess theology with the rest of them.

Stan said...

BUT.......why would a "demonic being" encourage us to repent of our sins, and turn to Jesus?? Why would a demonic being convert thousands back to the Lord?
Your theory about Marian Apparitions doesn't make sense.
Even the Devil can quote scripture to make a (false) point.

Bible Believer said...

The demonic being is turning people to a 'false jesus'. The Bible warns of "another christ" in the NT.

Your last point, that's it exactly. The demons have no problem quoting scripture and that includes this false *Mary*.

Anonymous said...

Dear Bible Believer. I am in total agreement with what you have said. I thank you for this site and am astounded at the patience you have in dealing with opposing thought. I've never been Catholic (in fact I was deeply into astrological occultism before I became a re-born Christian and the Bible is the infallable Word of God (Jesus Christ). I pray strength in your mission and will follow your posts with enthuisiasm. PS: Tho I recognize the Vatican as one of the most diabolical deceptions ever created in year 300 or so, I do not know the religious legalistic practices per se. I just recently found out what they meant by "purgatory" (what .... a "temporary" type of hell of sorts until "penance" and prayers of those sacrifices demanded of the church could relieve them from purgotary??? Never heard of it before .... what deception. Praying for you.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks anon for your encouragement.

Yes the Vatican is probably the world's most evil organization ever made.

With Purgatory this is one of the most diabolical teachings ever. Even worse I've had this thought, How many end up in Purgatory thinking they will one day get to heaven?

So they are lied to for eternity?

Satan came up with that one most definitely.

I have so many Catholic relatives, and while I have witnessed to them, they won't let go of the evil Catholic system. Please pray.

Anonymous said...

Hello! I am a Catholic in search of the truth. Recently, I read this astounding book called Petrus Romanus and I am so shocked to find out that the Roman Catholic Church was not Peter's successor at all and that his bones are found near the Mount of Olives, not in the Vatican! In fact, he never set foot in Rome! I am upset with so many lies including the papal states that were forged as well as the evolving Marian doctrines. I also didn't know that the popes were involved in sorcery and that many of the church officials are steeped in Freemasonry and satanic rites!

Bible Believer said...

Keep studying and pray to God for the truth. Have you been born again? That is most important.

I remember the days when I was still in the RCC being shown things, and for me it was God showing me how the Popes were bringing the false religions of the world together before I realized the true nature of Catholicism.

The Vatican is one puzzle palace of lies.

I have written at least 60 articles regarding Catholic matters and I do include some of my own personal experiences of how God got me out of there and showed me the truth about Rome.

I pray you "come of her"...

Anonymous said...

Testing the Spirit, 1 John 4 1:3, Beloved do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every Spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God.

The Mary that I pray to is one with the Holy Spirit, and confesses Jesus as the Christ come in the flesh that saved the souls of man! Her purpose is to promote her son Jesus Christ who will lead us to the Father!

The Devil will not acknowledge Jesus as the Christ, nor will he acknowledge Jesus come in the flesh which is through Jesus's mother, Mary! Any spirit that denies Mary which established Jesus come in the flesh is the AntiChrist!!!

Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee! Blessed art thou among women, blessed be the fruit of thy womb Jesus Hail Mary Mother of God pray for us sinners now and forever! AMEN!

Bible Believer said...

Let me ask you again, how can Mary as a HUMAN BEING hear millions of prayers to her from so many Catholics?

God instructed us not to have anything to do with familiar spirits over and over in the Bible. familiar means anyone who died and was *known* to people. The Catholic church has you praying to the daughter of Chaldea, the queen of heaven who is not Mary but another entity all together. Why are you HAILING her? Calling upon a spirit that is NOT God. See what trouble this leads to?

Jesus Christ himself WARNED against the Mary worship...

27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

It is interesting to me this is the chapter where Jesus is teaching and warning about demonic possession.

Anonymous said...

You make a valid point in your stance against the worship of Mary, however if you have the son of God standing before you in the flesh as you have pointed out here then there is no need to Hail Mary. When Jesus LEFT, he left us a comforter which is the Holy Spirit. Yes the people were looking for a sign, but the Son of God was standing before this women---what more do you need!

Also in this same chapter Jesus speaks of a house being divided against itself will fall. In my devotions with Mary who became one with the Holy Spirit, she acknowledges Jesus as the Christ and purpose is not to promote herself as savior, but her Son Jesus Christ.

The Daughter of Chaldea would not acknowledge Jesus as the Christ, nor would Satan, but Mary does so am gonna have to continue to Hail Mary!

Bible Believer said...

False preachers and cults refer to "CHRIST" all the time, even MOON, so what does that prove?

They even use "jesus", and that includes even die hard New Agers.

How did Mary become "one" with the Holy Spirit? Have you been reading Scott Hahn lately? He surely has some weird stuff about the Holy Spirit he has written.

I've studied the marian apparitions long enough to know that *Mary* showsd up[and these are Vatican approved ones] asking to be named "CoRedemptrix, and for churches, cathedrals and orders to be founded in HER NAME.

Anonymous said...

Hmmm let's see when the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary with Jesus they became one and conceived Jesus Christ. You are very smart, well versed in the bible and marian apparitions so you know the truth. You make a valid argument but I know Mary for myself. Being in devotions with her and the Holy Spirit I know she is from God.

One thing we both can agree on is LOVE, which is what God is. So my brother in Christ I love you and we are going to agree on our disagreement about Mary. I will continue to hail Mary, and You continue on helping others understand the bible and Jesus Christ.

Bible Believer said...

Please explore my arguments and pray to God to show you the truth. As long as you remain Roman Catholic and believe that a piece of bread is "god" and are tied to a false gospel, you are open to all sorts of spiritual deception. Believe Jesus when He said, "Ye must be born again". Remember I do not tell you these things, elevating myself. I was born into the Roman Catholic church and was in it at least 20 years of my life.
They told me to pray to Mary and even in Catholic school to bow before statues of her and make tissue paper flowers to her, but it is false. Please read my other articles warning about false Marian doctrines including the blasphemous would be Co-Remptrix.

This one is very important...the UU wanted us to worship "the goddess" and pointed to "mary"

There is no way, you can KNOW Mary.

We know God via the Holy Spirit.

But Mary being human cannot contact billions of people. Her mind could not take the prayers, hurts, and more of so many people. She is NOT omnipotent like God. Sadly the Catholic church has led it's people to worship a false being, the queen of heaven.

When I was a child, saying Hail Marys bothered me. There was one time I was 10 years old and stumbling over the words. I could not remember them no matter how hard I tried. Even as a UU I would walk out of family funerals when they prayed the Hail Mary at rosaries because it bothered me though then I did not understand why. I understand NOW why. God probably was trying to warn me, and knew of the future where I would be born again. Praying to anyone else but God IS an ABOMINATION! The Bible warns of this over and over.

You are right God is love.

1Jo 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

But the RCC has you worshipping "another christ", and the "god" of this earth.

Remember what Jesus Christ says in those verses way above I posted about doing those keeping the Word of God. Think about all those bible warnings about God being the only one we are to pray to!

I am telling you these things out of LOVE, to WARN you and get you away from these false teachings. I am VERY GRATEFUL to Christians who warned me.

Megan said...

Kev, Mary is not the mother of our saviour, as he was begotten by the Holy
Spirit of God. However, before his crucifixion, he offered us his mother, as an earthly mother, not as a co saviour. He was honouring his mother. She like you and me and
Gods Angels, but a servant of God. God picked Mary for the task, for she was amaizinlgly humble. Why would a humble person want shrines feasts and even give her self God redemptive powers? No, the only person who does that is a narcissist opposite of humbleness. And i do not have to spell out to you, who the narcissist is, do I? Use your brain for once, every believes or falls into deception, it is given, however, some of us wake up, use common sense, asks for the Holy Spirit, our comforter, to guide, not demons and a pope who has a butler, and runs the richest institution in the world, representing a saviour, who did not even own a second pair of shoes. Money is evil. Why would God associate himself with money. Emaciated children are starving, whereas the Vatican has more gold, and money, than the whole countries, put together? Go figure? Our saviour, washed his disciples feet, to give us an understanding in humility. He did not make the work as his butlers nor private secretaries and assistants!

Anonymous said...

Bible Believer...
Why be so adamant in denouncing Mary whose apparitions are demonic and just another revival of ancient goddess worship? We have learned that the anti-Christ wants to mimic God's plan but in his own perverted manner. So isn't the best way of doing this by making Mary into a fertility goddess whore and her son into a pagan violent God? Satan knew Gods plan but did not know when the Savior or virgin would arrive on the scene. We know that Nimrod was basically Satan in the flesh and that all pagan idolatry started from Babylon. So again doesn't it seem correct in assuming that corrupting Mary's role will lead many away from believing in JESUS Christ and his Blessed Mother?
Also did you ever read the WISDOM books in the BIBLE and how much they seem to connect with MARY and JESUS? The Holy Spirit is also involved but their is clear distinction between the two. The woman of wisdom is Mary and there is even a passage in Psalms which describes Mary..She magnifies the Lord by her apparitions which lead people to their faith in Christ..
Mary has been instrumental in the Church affairs for the last two thousand years and has helped lead many towards her son. People naturally are drawn to a motherly figure

Bible Believer said...

It's not Mary, and of course the RCC advances false books like the Wisdom ones that are not inspired. Yes I have read them.

Why does "Mary" of the apparitions even the approved ones act just like the "fertility goddesses"? You forget UUs seek after the goddesses. That is something I noticed right off about Catholicism. She demands notice and worship for HERSELF. "only I can save you" the Fatima one even said, that is directly against the teachings of God.
They have not corrupted Mary's role, Mary as a HUMAN is in heaven with God, the real Mary not acting as an omnipotent being listening to millions of rosaries or returning to earth. Most people I know who worship Mary in the Catholic church grow deeper in the occult, the ones who were really hard core, seem to see too many spirits showing up, but that is what calling on familiar spirits brings you. Jesus said this about Mary, and this in the Bible to warn you.

Luk 11:27 ¶ And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed [is] the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

Luk 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

The Catholic church is like the guy focusing on Mary, blessing HER instead of following God's commandments.

Bible Believer said...

Megan, I noticed while still Catholic studying the Marian apparitions, that Mary was anything but humble. She was haughty and even cruel--such as the time she showed HELL to little kids which probably scarred them for life and no reasonable person of good will would do to a child. That told me she was demonic as well as the self elevation and grandiose. Call me CoRedemptrix she even demands at an approved apparition in Japan. Narcissist does describe it. That's for sure. It is Satan talking, "I shall be like the most high" through this demonic apparition.

I realized while still Catholic and not saved yet, studying books in the churches library, a place where few ventured by the way, that Mary "creeped" me out, and if I prayed to her, I may as well get back in a UU chair and start praying to the occult goddesses again in Wicca and various pagan religions. [the UUs celebrate the goddess in her various forms in the religions of the world] I refused to pray to Mary the last 2 and half years in the Catholic church, no Hail Marys, nothing. That is when I was starting to find out the truth.

I agree Jesus Christ was humble and showed a servant's heart. Not like these wicked beings.

Anonymous said...

Bible believer...
I still do not agree with you on Mary's role as narcissistic and goddess like instead of humble. I suppose all Saints who have had Visions while sleeping or quick sightings of the blessed Mother are also demonic in nature? St. Dominic was in contact with Demons and so was all the other Saints who lived good lives in worshiping God and spreading the Gospel? What about all the Churches made throughout history to venerate Mary and Christ? Why is the Church referred to as "She" since the very beginning? I feel there is to much evil already in the world to focus on then denouncing Marian apparitions which are only bringing people to Christ. Everybody knows Mary is the Mother of God and Christ is the one who died for our sins and not Her. There are no Catholics or Christians who would ever call Mary a goddess. She is a Saint and deserves honor not worship. St Luke is said to have most likely received allot of his narrative from the Blessed Mother herself. Again she was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit and its her womb which had to be pure in order to hold the Son of God. Do you think God would allow an unpure temple to hold his own Son? Think about that...

Anonymous said...

Also the quote Jesus said about 'Blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it' is basically an honor to his mother since she is called "Blessed" and one who kept the Word of God as opposed to Eve who disobeyed God. He gives her praise but does not elevate her and instead leaves her as the humble servant handmaid of the Lord. She gave over her Body to God to Birth Christ at a young innocent age! Why would God not honor his humble Servant and degrade her? Honor your Father and Mother is one of the Tem Commandments; wouldn't Jesus represent them instead of denounce them by his Words? Look past the Catholic theme of MAry worship and instead look to Mary and her motherly position over followers of Christ.

James from the Philippines said...

I believe the apparition... I am a solid Catholic believer. If you say how sure are we that it is the Virgin, that maybe it is Satan posing as the Virgin? How sure are we also that perhaps your church also posed as the modern Satan trying to divide the world through your disco-like and concert-like church services? Trying to lure the faithful by giving them great shows, by making them feel good? It's like selling concert tickets every Sunday?

Anonymous said...

Well done James very thought provoking and assertive I'm a strong catholic too. To attack Lourdes is to attack the sick and vulnerable who go to Lourdes is site has made me and my faith even stronger coran ford

Anonymous said...

Jesus came for the sick the poor the sinners, Jesus also said to become like a little child so you enter the kingdom of heaven. This is one of the signs why our lady chooses a humble simple girl like Bernadette of Lourdes. This is the holy work of God certainly not a whole load of rubbish about demons!

Anonymous said...

Lourdes is the holy work of God, to blastheme and insult the the work of God is to deny the Truth

Bible Believer said...

The Bible warns about false angels of light so why not take those warnings seriously? This being shows up and claims it is "Mary" and preaches things against what Jesus taught. The one in Mejudgorje wants all religions to unite, a few others including one in Japan call for "Mary" to be made Co-Redemptrix. With Lourdes to the guy who thinks that was "Mary", I have read extensive history about Lourdes and even the children who saw "Mary" and their parents wondered if it could be the devil showing up. They should have listened to those early warning signs.

2 Thess 2:9

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

More facts about Lourdes:

Caves and grottoes are important to witches and occultists to meet spirits at. Seriously. Why are pagan grottoes always the scenes of these visions?
The People at Lourdes believed that area was haunted.

Bernadette and her friends thought she saw a demon to start with.
There was weird stuff about her entering an ungodly trance. I remember reading that in various accounts, staring, her sister thought she was dead. That is not holy.
The parents worried about her seeing a demon.

I don't support mega-churches. There are tons of articles on this blog against false mega-churches and "concerts".

Bible Believer said...


"Feast day of Our Lady of Lourdes

Miraculous Apparitions to St Bernadette Soubirous at Lourdes

This was the last manifestation at a grotto which, for many centuries, had been known as a shrine of the goddess Persephone.

Persephone, the daughter of Zeus and Demeter, Persephone (she who destroys the light) (also Kore, maiden; Roman equivalent: Proserpina) became the goddess of the underworld when Hades abducted her from the Earth and brought her into the underworld. She is a life-death-rebirth deity.

On this day in 1858, 14-year-old Bernadette Soubirous was collecting scraps of wood on the bank of the River Gave when she saw an indescribably beautiful apparition of a haloed Virgin Mary near a cave in the Massabielle cliff, near Lourdes. Bernadette was with her sister Toinette and her friend Jeanne, neither of whom saw the vision. The Virgin said to her, I am the Immaculate Conception (curiously, rather than I am the Immaculately Conceived). The apparition, according to Bernadette, "fingered the beads of her own rosary" (although the practice was not adopted, by Eastern Christian monks, until two centuries after Mary lived). In total, Bernadette had 18 visions of the Virgin Mary at the grotto.

People followed Bernadette and saw the girl fall into ecstasy; they heard her speak, but they saw nothing. The unknown 'lady' told Bernadette: "Tell the priests I wish to have a chapel here"; "Processions are to come here"; "Go, drink from the spring and wash in its water."

In obedience, the girl dug with her hands into the earth of the grotto, and there gushed forth a spring, unknown until that day February 25, that for years has yielded 27,000 gallons weekly. Many miraculous cures have been effected by its waters. Or, so it is said.

By March 4, about 200,000 people were accompanying Bernadette to the shrine site. The last vision occurred on July 16, the Feast of Our Lady of Mount Carmel.

Bernadette was an unsophisticated girl and for many years the nuns and churchmen to whom she reported her amazing story treated her with disdain. Eventually, however, the events of 1858 resulted in Lourdes becoming one of the most important pilgrim shrines in the history of Christendom, ending with the consecration of the basilica in 1876. Bernadette, who initially had met with skepticism and even outright hostility from the Catholic Church, entered the Monastery of Nevers in 1866 and was canonised in 1933.

Lourdes (Lorda in Occitan) is a village in the Hautes-Pyrnes dpartement in France. It is the largest Catholic religion pilgrimage location in France. It is situated in the south of the country, in the Pyrenes region, with about 17,000 inhabitants. Some 3,000,000 pilgrims annually make their way to the grotto, among them 50,000 or so sick or disabled, seeking a miraculous cure. A mere 66 cures have been accepted as miraculous by the Catholic Church out of the estimated two million sick pilgrims who have visited the shrine since 1858, which scarcely indicates a statistical link between Lourdes and cures. More than 400 hotels cater for the throngs and a huge industry has developed from the visions, or delusions, of the barely literate Bernadette Soubirous."

Remember Special Waters and Streams go along with false goddesses! [demons]

Bible Believer said...

(Denning and Phillips, Mag. Phil. Vol. 111. p. 147) "Where a succession of cults has obtained, the same places have often been holy to each in turn.

Sometimes the new manifestation takes on distinctive features which link it strangely to a former one. The cave at Lourdes, for example, which was the site of Bernadette's uniquely remarkable series of visions, had in previous centuries been a shrine of the Goddess-cult. It is known that the herb which grew in the cave, and of which she ate in the course of her guided actions, was a sacred plant in the bygone cult".

Greek: PERSEPHONE. (Olivia Robertson, The Call of Isis, p. 125) "Studying the Eleusinian mysteries of Demeter and Persephone, to me the visions of Lourdes and Fatima are a portrayal of these dramas in actual human history.

"The Lesser Mystery was shown at Lourdes in the form of a beautiful maiden appearing in a grotto. The young girl who witnessed the visions drew forth a stream of healing water from the mud ..

"The Lesser Mystery of Lourdes, therefore, portrayed Persephone, Queen of Day and Night .. in control of the elements of Earth and Water"."

Pure paganism!

Bible Believer said...

The world and false world religions worship the demonic "queen of heaven"

Hindus love Marian apparitions.

"Dantoling (AsiaNews/UCAN) More than 135,000 people from all over Orissa celebrated the feast of Our Lady of Lourdes in a remote parish in the eastern state of Orissa to commemorate miraculous intervention that ended a cholera epidemic. Bishop Sarat Chandra Nayak of Berhampurdiocese led the feast in Dantoling, with Bishop Thomas Thiruthalil of Balasore and 138 priests concelebrating.

Dantoling, with 136 Catholic families, is near Sorada town. The preparations for the feast started on 2 February with the recital of the novena by the community. On 11 February, the feast day, students from St Joseph's Convent School welcomed the guests with a dance and traditional music.

The mass started at 10 am and finished three hours later. The offertory alone lasted 40 minutes, given the large number of candles, money, flags, rice, vegetables and animals that the faithful brought as an offering to the altar. In his homily, Mgr Nayak explained the importance of the Blessed Mother, calling her the epitome of obedience to God's commandments. After mass, thousands of pilgrims offered a lock of their hair to Our Lad

There were also Hindus among the participants, who said they had received countless favours and graces from the Mother of God. Kuntual Parichha, a high-caste woman, said: I had become worried and unhappy after having three daughters. Hindus require a son. My sister-in-law, a Catholic, advised me to pray at the Dantoling church. I was skeptical initially but decided to light candles and pray in the church. After a year, I delivered a son and now I come here with my entire family to pray and to give thanks. Father Clement Bagsingh, the parish priest of Dantoling, says Marys love and compassion draws people from all religions to the church."

Bible Believer said...

Jer 7:18 "The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger."

Lourdes is not the work of God, it is the work of Satan.

Anonymous said...

The body of Bernadette of Lourdes is incorrupt and lies in state at the convent in nevers,in France my close friend Bernadette is named after the little girl in Lourdes I am going to take this opportunity to say my friend Bernadette was present at my sons birth seventeen years a go my son Samuel will be seventeen on the 8 th of march. Thank you Bernie for being my friend and being there when my son was born just one last thing the name Bernadette is a beautiful name and means brave

Anonymous said...

Samuel is my son who will be seventeen on the 8 th of march, just before I was expecting my son I was guided that I was to have a son and he was to be named Samuel, Samuel in the bible means a mothers love for her son happy birthday my darling boy for this Friday this site has made my faith

my in god even stronger and to you all out god bless you always

Anonymous said...

Jesus taught is the greatest commandment love your neighbour as your self, also we must not forget the parable that Jesus told of the good Samaritan this what now what I choose to do and build my faith and make it even stronger in Christ ots a complete waste of time to argue over what Satan could or could not be doing all the time we are having a senseless debate that is the sort of negative work that Satan works through god bless you all

Anonymous said...

The greatest commandment Jesus taught us is love your neighbour as yourself and also taught the parable the good Samaritan all the time we are wasting time and having endless debates about what Satan could or could not be doing Satan Satan enjoys us havin debates this is the works of Satan and this is the type of negativity he enjoys now I'm gonna have my cup of tea

Anonymous said...

To all my friends I have met in Lourdes thank you for being there for me during my most difficult times of my life your love andsupport always has made my faith stronger and my friend Jesus to follow you always to follow my friend I got through my troubles my skin cancer and the all clear I receive at the end of November 2012

Anonymous said...

I go to a day centre and everyone has to accept each other regardless of color race or creed, is no discrimination most of my friends are devout Christians one of my friends is a pagan I don't preach to my pagan friend and my friend does not preach to me something this site is discriminates against Catholics and those who believe in the Marian apparition also against other faiths so what if other people are catholic so what people from this site who are anti Catholics and anti Mary apparitions would be thrown out of my local day centre for being so predjudice born again christains cause so many problems for others they are the modern day saducees and pharisees

Anonymous said...

Just to clarify my last message my local day centre is for vulnerable adults I have also attended a day centre for those with cancer both these day centre would be disgusted at this blog no one has the right to be anti catholic or anti Marian apparitions its a form of abuse and this blog is breaking the law by its form of abuse of other peoples faith and especially those under any type of vulnerable adult in law this blog is so dangerous

Anonymous said...

To love and accept other people Catholics Hindus Jews etc is to love your neighbour as yourself GODS GREATEST COMMANDMENT this blog is totally against all that Jesus taught and totally against Gods truth of loving your neighbour as yourself any one who doesn't see that is not a TRUE christain what more can I say I will also pursue to get this blog closed as there's vulnerable adults in law who need protecting and people on this blog are so blond to that they do not realise the harm they are doing and how downright dangerous it is

Bible Believer said...

"The body of Bernadette of Lourdes is incorrupt and lies in state at the convent in nevers,in France my close friend Bernadette is named after the little girl in Lourdes I am going to take this opportunity to say my friend Bernadette was present at my sons birth seventeen years a go my son Samuel will be seventeen on the 8 th of march. Thank you Bernie for being my friend and being there when my son was born just one last thing the name Bernadette is a beautiful name and means brave"

What do you mean Bernie was present at your son's birth? You could see a vision of her? I am curious.

As for her body being incorrupted, they can do things with bodys to keep them from decaying just like Mao's body lying in state.

God bless you and your son.

Bible Believer said...

The Bible warns of Satan so why is it wrong for a Christian to do so? It is not.

Bible Believer said...

I am glad your day care center does not discriminate but on the other end, a born again Christian should have the freedom to voice their faith even if someone else disagrees.

This site does not discriminate against Catholics, it wants them to know the truth.

I was born into a Catholic family, and raised Catholic and educated by nuns in a Catholic school.

So I was a Catholic for years and years.

With the Marian appartions I believe they are deceiving people and that is my sincere belief.

I hope and pray one day, you find God's truth and realize what the truth of what I am warning about.

Bible Believer said...

Loving people is telling them the truth,

In America people still have the freedom to share religious beliefs.

Galatians 4:16

"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?".

I praise God for the Christians who told me the truth as I was lost in the UU and on the way to hell.

You cannot shut down a blog to protect vulnerable adults. One would have to shut down the entire Internet then. Whoever is their guardians are in charge of their internet access etc, legally.

1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

Anonymous said...

When I say Bernad

When i said about bernadette being present at the both of my son i mean my friend Bernadette! We have laws to protect vulnerable adults and children for a reason and whilst we all have the freedom of speach it does not give us the right to try to convert others i have nothing against other Christians i will pray for you that god will reach out to you and teach you how wrong it is
down others, especially the most vulnerable (that's why we have laws to protect

Anonymous said...

One group of born again chritains kept hassling my friend who has learning difficulties to go to church and keep forcing her to have this group of born again Christians to have prayer groups in her home in the end my friends care co ordinate had to step in to stop this group of born again Christians being so forceful as my friend is termed a vulnerable adult that's why we have these laws to protect vulnerable adults and whilst some born again Christians I have met have been genuine and lovely people the majority of born again Christians have caused a lot of trouble like my vulnerable friend I will pray for born a again Christians to rethink the way they think it's ok to be forceful to others just one other thing Jesus let the people choose to come to him Jesus did not force himself on others god bless you all

Anonymous said...

No your not my enemy or other people using this blog you are being forceful, that is not loving your neighbour you hide behind the bible and use it as an excuse to be forceful apoun others and cast the first stone is your slate cleanim proud of all my friendships with other people I love people from all walks of life including those not Christian, to be forceful apoun others is not being loving of your neighbour this blog isn't based on Christa teaching loving your neighbour as your self perhaps you would like to explain to me why these born again Christians thought it was ok to be so forceful to my friend to the point my social worker had to intervene and stop this behavior which the social worker termed a form of abuse I've nothing more to say take of yourself

Bible Believer said...

Those Christians were wrong if they hassled your friend and were abusive to her. No one should be forced to go to church. I and many Christians here are not in a church. Also them having prayers groups in her home without her or her guardian giving permission is wrong too. I had an old college friend grabbed by false Christians and given an "exorcism" because she was a non-Christian, so are there some Christians who do false things. Sure. I of course stand against these things. I do not like seeing someone with learning disabilities used and abuse. I think if they told her the gospel and preached or offered to read her the Bible, that is okay but anything that was forcing her to do anything was wrong or if she said, No and they ignored her, that is wrong too. Maybe they meant well and got over-zealous, but then maybe they did not. I don't know the situation, if her guardian had to step in it could have been pretty serious. Of course maybe her guardian is of a religion where she did not want her to get born again or leave it, I don't know.

I think one can preach the gospel and share God's Word with vulnerable adults, there are people who go to nursing homes, and group homes and assisted care who do so but FORCING anyone to do anything is wrong.
People are to become born again in freedom, there is freedom in Jesus Christ not forced into it.

Anonymous said...

I just read your message thank you for your reply and your compassion to take the time and understanding it is very much appreciated im very happy and at peace with all you had to say in your message, I wish you all well and love and peace of Christ be with you always :)

Anonymous said...

I am very happy to hear that reaching out gently to people in care homes hospitals etc to share the word of our LOrd and to still give people a choice is wonderful

Anonymous said...

Jesus light of the world, Jesus I trust in you, Jesus the way the truth the light. Praise to you lord jesus thank you lord jesus amen;-) jesus the holy lamb and son of God I will sing the glory of jesus now and forever more, my heart gor jesus leaps with joy :-)

Anonymous said...

Matthew 12- 46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”

48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and MOTHER.”

Jesus did not say- you need to worship and pray to my mother!! He treats her here like he would EVERYONE else!

I used to be a devout Catholic- I used to believe in the apparitions and I used to PRAY the rosary! and I THANK THE GOOD LORD I was brought the TRUTH through reading the Bible!! I went through many years of Catholic schools. NEVER really read the Bible until a few years ago. I thank the Holy Spirit for waking me up. I was being terribly deceived!

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and ONE MEDIATOR between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,

MARY is NOT a co-redemptrix!! that is pure BLASPHAMY and lies from the devil!!

Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.

NO WHERE does it say to pray the rosary and pray souls out of purgatory with the help of MARY! SHE can not help you!

The promises of the Rosary are lies from the Devil's mouth!

PLEASE WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! You are being terribly fooled!!!!

Jesus' mother Mary would NEVER want you to bow down to her feet. SHe would NEVER ASK A SHRINE TO BE MADE IN "HER" HONOR, She would NEVER EVER want you to wear a "miraculous medal!" or any "graven imagine" - how can you NOT see how wrong this really is?!!!
"She" is going against the BIBLE teachings. "SHE" IS GOING AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD.

2 Corinthians 11 14-14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Please read your Bibles! Ask the HOLY SPIRIT to guide you. Open your hearts and your eyes!

Anonymous said...

I was on a visit to knock in ireland. There is a shrine to mary there. It only has the spirit of priests stuck between both worlds because of lies. They were still worshipping mary as dark spirits. Same thing will happen to you. If you do not stop. Yahshua is the only way to the heavenly father.

Michael said...

I have never seen such a concentration of blasphemies against the Holy Spirit as there are on this blog.

Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God. There is no coming of Jesus in the flesh except that Mary - like the Ark - was overshadowed by the power of God, and his glory - the Body of Christ - filled her womb.

Anonymous said...




20 Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him that answer, saying, 21 The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the LORD remember them, and came it not into his mind? 22 So that the LORD could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day. 23Because ye have burned incense, and because ye have sinned against the LORD, and have not heard the voice of the LORD, nor walked in his law, nor in his statutes, nor in his testimonies; therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day.

Anonymous said...

There is no greater focus on the life of Jesus Christ than a Christian praying the Rosary. Will Satan remind Christians of the Birth, Crucifixion, Resurrection and Ascension of Christ?

Who else can you learn more about humility and obedience besides the Handmaid of the Lord?

You refuse to recite the Hail Mary. Here, I will present the Hail Mary prayer, and tell me which phrase offends you.

"Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you. Blessed are you, amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus.

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us, sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen."

"Mother of God" offends you? Is Jesus Chris not God?

"pray for us" offends you? Do you not ask your pastor and fellow Christians to pray for you?

Bible Believer said...

Why are you "hailing" a human being in prayer.

When you pray this you praying to the queen of heaven, an evil entity warned of in scripture.

A human being can't hear millions of prayers like an ominiscent God.

Your church even tries to give Mary [a deceased human being] the mind of a goddess/god able to hear millions of prayers at once.

Also you are breaking biblical commands not to pray to the dead.

Yes "mother of God" does offend me. God has no mother. Mary was a a human being, you are praying to something else. You are not praying to God and that offends God--you have broken so many commandments in the Bible praying Hail Marys, it's not even funny.

Bible Believer said...

Read the scripture of the commenter above your comment.

Anonymous said...

I think as believers, we should be founded on scriptures, the Word of God. Satan has corrupted the minds of many people that they have gone far from the truth. John 10:10 say, the enemy comes in order to steal, kill and destroy.(which he is good at)But Jesus came in order to give life in all its fulness. Satan does not want us to know the Truth because the Truth will indeed set us free. Therefore he he fills our minds with rubbish(he steals, skills and destroys us this way) Today, there are a lot of false doctrines. There is no guarantee that Marry nor the saints, angles and even the pope can save you. with due respect and love to you Catholics, I hope and pray that you read your Bibles and Pray for the guidance and help of The Holy Spirit.

Mathew 7:7.has a lot of the truth and you shall find it.. And the TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE. God Bless.

Melissa Tulin said...

There was an apparition in Wisconsin awhile ago, where the woman who supposedly saw Mary said she had long flowinhg blonde hair and blue eyes. This immediately raised my suspicions, as it's possible, but extremely unlikely, that a Jewish woman of the 1st century A.D. would look like this!

Anonymous said...

Hi bible reader
I am orthodox and am searching for the truth....I hear your arguments and find much logic to fact, I was in my car praying in my head to God asking for a sign that the rosary is not from him but from the devil and I swear to you the rosary in my car broke in half in that very moment!! I was so freaked out !

I definitely believe that some Marian apparitions are not from God...however you repeated a lot that we cannot pray or ask Mary to pray as she cannot hear us all, she is not are you saying that the devil is omnipresent since he would be the one curing millions of people through not only Mary but all the dead saints....take for example saint charbel...he is Lebanese and has now become a worldwide "sensation" so to speak..i would love for u to do some research and tell me what u think as one of his miracles was on a 30 ur old woman who was on her deathbed and didnt believe in God and had lived a life of sin and didn't care ...when they told her to pray to God to cure her she didn't want to...then someone brought her some saintly relic blessed from saint charbel to boil and drink the water and she says as she drank the water her whole body started to burn (demonic) and then she passed out..the people present reported seeing her leg go up and down with an unimaginable force that three men could not contain ...she saw the heart of Jesus with thorns and when she woke up she was cured and baffled she put pictures and statues of Jesus Mary saint charbel etc. Who had oil coming out of them but she still didn't know what to make of this as she didn't believe... Then she brought a medium to her house who told her all this was demonic...then Jesus appeared to her and told her I have snatched u from ur deathbed and u still don't believe?! That's where she started beleiving

Bible Believer said...

Melissa, the "mary's do show up in the apparitions looking different, but yes the one with blue eyes shows up quite often. It is beyond doubtful the real Mary had blue eyes, so this is another entity showing up.

Bible Believer said...

Hi anon, I am glad you are seeking for truth. Your rosary breaking in half was definitely a response to that prayer. I threw my rosaries in the trash, within the week I was born again. I believe ALL of the apparitions are not from God. God never said he was sending Mary back, and even the bible contradicts her coming back [unbreakable veil between living and dead, no contact with the dead, etc]

The devil is not omniprecent but has his demons to report back.

Charlatans can produce false miracles--the 30 year old could be lying and the story could be false and the whole thing could have been an acting job. In the late 1800s there was less sophistication so this would have been easier to pull off. Jesus appearing to her, [either a lie] or if it happened definitely demonic. Jesus Himself warns that those who say Lo there he is, before the Second Coming, are deceivers.

Read that in Matt 24:23

Anonymous said...

Thank you for your response! Another question, wouldn't it be possible that the Holy spirit or angels report back to Mary? I agree it isn't in the Bible however like some have said before, in some apparitions she does acknowledge Jesus being the saviour of the world and that he had come in flesh to Earth, so would that fulfill the test if she is from God or not? BTW I do not believe Lourdes was from God but definitely demonic...same with medjugorge

Radinika said...

At the end of the day, Jesus The Christ will judge us based on the knowledge we received. Have we been deceived but truly thought it was truth and did good and accepted Jesus of Nazareth as our Saviour and Lord, the best we knew how, through baptism, love, prayer, scripture study, devotion, and followed our conscious doing good, and when not repented the best way we knew how or had the strength to, I truly helieve we are saved and will be part of his Millenium reign when snd after He comes back... And then, He will reveal more of the truth to us all - Himself, we will all know and acknowledge He is The Christ... And there will be more to be done on our part for continued progression onto the Celestial glory to our Heavenly Father...
Btw, I am a Latter-day Saint (Mormon) and lately wondered if one of the personages the young prophet Joseph Smith had in his first vision was not Mary... Since it said: "this is my beloved don, hear him"... In our doctrine, we believe that God the Father has a wife and in our hymnal we sing of our Heavenly Mother... But nothing more... She's a mysteria, there, but in the background... It is "inappropriate" to pray to her, said our late prophet Gordon B. Hinckley... Because only the Father is God? Well, I don't now... But what if, I wonder, the earthly Mary, is actually Heavenly Father's wife and therefore rightly the Queen of Heaven, and Mother of us all... As LDS we believe that we are literally the begotten spirit sons and daughters of Heavenly Father (and Mother)...

Anonymous said...

There you have no Not say more the Christian Prostestant became jurors and judges and just by thier holly graces sent all catholic to hell jejeje je hahaha. You protestant with your weird interpretation of the bible that takes every thing out of context of a bad interpretation of the bible and do not examine the bible entirely and condem a church to hell by your extreme thinking.

Anonymous said...

It's interesting that sept. 11 is national "hot cross buns" day, and sept 12 is a feast day for "mary". People are literally kneading dough, and baking cakes to the queen of heaven....James

Bible Believer said...

Interesting considering what Sept 11 became....

Anonymous said...

For catholics who believe mary of the catholic church is the mary of scripture are not paying attention.......consider this paul who wrote most of the new testament never mentions her....peter (held in high esteem) never mentions her....john never mentions one does except the gospels for her temporary role ......remember Jesus said the flesh counts for nothing........for those who think mary is the woman of revelation 12 missed the point that God would protect her during for 1260 days during the end times.......the is woman would have to be on earth because the 1260 days represent the great tribulation as spoken by Daniel ....... 360 days (this was number of days counted as a year) X 3.5 years = 1,260 daniel spoke was to come..

Finally Paul said "do not go beyond what is written lest you put the pride of one man over another" (corinthians 4)
the RCC is full of things not in scripture......the bible closes with the warning against those who would add or take away from the things in this book.......the scripture says" come let us reason together"...the RCC says don't reason just believe what we tell you to believe.

Stephen said...

An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign; and a sign will not be given it, except the sign of Jonah." And He left them and went away.

The Pharisees came out and began to argue with Him, seeking from Him a sign from heaven, to test Him. Sighing deeply in His spirit, He said, "Why does this generation seek for a sign? Truly I say to you, no sign will be given to this generation." Leaving them, He again embarked and went away to "the other side".

Stephen said...

It is interesting to read how people are 'this or that' jehovah's witness....protestant...can they all be right when they all disagree? No one is right...the reality is in Knowing Jesus.. Not Mary, not Joseph Smith, Not Peter Paul or one but Christ..Christ is the Reality in God. There is no other mediator witht he Father but the Lord and Mary is not The Mother of God..the Eucharist is not a reincarnation of Christ into man made food stuffs. hocus pocus superstition... which church performs exorcisms?

Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Matthew 24:24
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

ark 8:12
He sighed deeply and said, "Why does this generation ask for a sign? Truly I tell you (Amen), NO SIGN will be given to it."

Anonymous said...

I think it’s scary how deluded people can become. I think you all need to check your facts regarding what was said during these apparitions. Some remarks are clearly taken out of context and some are simple untrue. God bless.

Bible Believer said...

What was said that you disagree with? Be specific. There are plenty of Catholic sources where they provide the messages of this demon.

Ante Buljan said...

Catholics do not worship Mary; this is a protestant propaganda!
Jesus is the truth,the way and the life! This is what true catholics believe and live...
Mary is the Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ! and she is honored and respected.
Jesus said at the cross to the "beloved apostle" : "son behold your Mother, Mother
behold your son!" She is our Mother and we are her children!
Mother Mary said in her apparitions in Medugorje: "If you only knew how
much my Son loves you, you would cry with Joy!" She leads us to Jesus,
and not the other way around...God bless and true worshipers worship in truth
and spirit!

Ante Buljan said...

Catholics do not worship Mary; this is a protestant propaganda!
Jesus is the truth,the way and the life! This is what true catholics believe and live...
Mary is the Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ! and she is honored and respected.
Jesus said at the cross to the "beloved apostle" : "son behold your Mother, Mother
behold your son!" She is our Mother and we are her children!
Mother Mary said in her apparitions in Medugorje: "If you only knew how
much my Son loves you, you would cry with Joy!" She leads us to Jesus,
and not the other way around...God bless and true worshipers worship in truth
and spirit!

Bible Believer said...

I was raised Catholic and when I was told to make flowers to the queen of heaven statue at Catholic school and told to HAIL MARY in prayer, and told to kneel before Mary statues, that definitely was WORSHIP. Of course many will quibble about the meaning of words. Mary the real one was a human being, she is not my mother. Medugorje, I was watching this TV show about Marian cults recently they had Caritas on there and showed some of the Medugorje "seers" they all looked so fake to me. Those know they are running a scam, pretending to see things others cannot.

Anonymous said...

I was raised a Roman Catholic and through alot of soul searching and prayer I know that these Mary apparitions are demonic.I do believe in purgatory a lot and I am not an evangelical but the RCC of today is completely devoid of the holy spirit.This Mary is a lying wonder and she did not show up during the reformation or Napoleon when true Christians were being martyred by the barrels.This thing showed up after the industrial age. Jesus would never accept an all inclusive faith as a necessity for saving souls. That is the opposite of what he wants. I do not reject real Catholic theology but on this point I am with you. The saints warned us the prophets in the bible warned us god is warning us he struck st peters when that apostate Francis was selected. The whore of Babylon is rising and those apparitions support it. Unity is not good.

Anonymous said...

Jesus does not obey anyone Mary can plea but she is not the covenant. Those apparitions are witchcraft like what was practiced in Paul's day. There are things beyond the Bible the martyrdoms of legitimate saints like saint Denys. Mary's role is established and bound through Saint Bridget. The Freemasons used witchcraft or Lucifer was released from the pit and announced it in the form of a pretty girl.

Anonymous said...

Why does Mary always try so hard to appeal to the people that she appears to? Because that is what Lucifer does. The apparitions are Diana even the RCC they called the people who believed in the apparitions the cult of Mary. Lucifer did this to put a wedge between catholics and protestants that was unreconcilable. This Mary is something I wouldn't worship it is a demon the Freemasons exploited a shaky doctrine to get into Christiandom. Mary was accepted by protestants at one point until these things appeared. These apparitions are not Mary and serve the ambition of the gods of this world.

Anonymous said...

So very sad. So much hate spewed out by all on this site for Jesus' own mother.

Bible Believer said...

Anon, thank you for your post. Yes there are Catholics who question these apparitions. I was still a Catholic when I was researching and studying Marian apparitions, and they didn't add up them to me and I had very little bible knowledge back then. I have written about and warned Trad Catholics who know the Popes are false, and the one world religion is being put together. God is showing you some truth but don't squelch the Holy Spirit in doing so and I am praying for you. My journey out began in noticing the Catholic church was building the one world religion and the false messages of the Marian apparitions.

Bible Believer said...

Maybe believe this is Lucifer or one of his demons from the pits of hell. I agree. For me with my UU past, there was a lot of overlap with "Mary" as so presented and goddess theology I had been deep into within the UU church. The "goddess" appears under many names.

I am sure the real Mary is a fine woman, I do not hate her, but I do not know her. She is now in heaven with God. I only know of her actions within scripture. The false Mary of Catholic apparitions teaches against God's Word. Many of the seers felt afraid when "seeing Mary" like Bernadette and others. Reading about the Fatima visions, many of the Catholics questioned if the devil or one of his demons were showing up.

Anonymous said...

America is the Whore of Babylon and anyone with any kind of sense can see it.

You want 'fast food' religion like everything else in your filthy, abominable 'life styles'. Like your fast food fascination - you all become fat, gluttonous, unhealthy pigs.

'Beam me up Scotty'. Good luck with that one.


Anonymous said...

If we are worshipping Mary then why do we ask of her to "pray for is sinners now and at the hour of our death", "pray for us O Holy Mother of God so that we may be made worthy of the promises of Crist"?

Do we ask God The Father Almighty to pray for us? No, because that doesn't make any sense. God doesn't pray to Himself.

Anonymous said...

In addition to the previous post, I can agree there are questionable apparitions. The one example that IMO fits your stated belief is Medjugorje. However, I can't recognize anything from the three messages of Akita, Japan in 1973 that could be conceived in the manner as you have suggested? Further, I am struggling to understand how it serves Satan to turn the souls he already has tightly in his grasp towards a life dedicated to Jesus and God through our belief in Mary's request to do so, of which there is much testimony from many people to including my own? Is it just a trick so that at the end of our physical existence he can jump out from behind the curtain like Nelson on The Simpson's cartoon TV show and go "Ha-Ha" much to our shock and horror?

Where I was once tormented and easily set off in anger I am now composed and relaxed. Where I was previously consumed in physical, material, and financial lusts, selfishness, & greed I am now thoroughly chaste (admittedly my hardest & most difficult sacrifice), committed to helping and giving to those less fortunate than myself, and content with the simple grace of having only my most basic needs met. Where I was cruel and hateful I am now kind and understanding. It was only through vigilant prayer to the rosary that I finally broke an unconcious habit of profaning the Name of God in vain. A longstanding difficult relationship with my parents, though not perfect, is now one of much more respect and obligation. I never thought that I could conceive of abortion as anything other than a woman's inalienable right, but now not only oppose it, but live in fear of Gods wrath of there now being almost 60,000,000 abortions in the USA since Roe vs. Wade in 1973. Of which I am ashamed to admit having contributed one that I am aware of. Being childless now and likely to remain that way for life, that one act above any other now weighs so heavily on my soul.

In summary, my life has completely flipped. I now have devotion to worship God and began to pray at least daily, but I now find myself communicating to Jesus, Mary, and God more and more throughout each day. I pray the rosary daily, more than daily now asking for Satan to be defeated in this country and that we as a nation will again find our moral compass and turn back to God. Which BTW when we pray the rosary our devotion is for the Life of Jesus and His Sacrifice for our sins, not for the worship of Mary. I have sworn before God and Jesus to remain fathful and obedient to them and oppose Satan at all cost for the remainder of my life on this planet regardless of whether my soul is saved or not. I ask them to open my heart and guide me for the express purpose of being their instrument in defeating Satan for same.

Help me understand brother. Satan already held me tightly in his grasp. How does Mary turning me back to God, Jesus, and a wholesome lifestyle now serve Satan in his opposition to Him?

Anonymous said...

How do you deal with the fact that scripture doesn't come with a table of contents, calls not itself but the Church the pillar of truth, and that early Christians didn't have a bible yet but still had very Catholic beliefs like apostolic succession, mass as a sacrifice and purgatory? Why ought one believe the first councils and other extra-biblical stuff unless the Church has the authority to do that? Why should one believe that Jesus is God when other "Christians" say that the bible shows he's a man? Who has the authority to declare that interpretation a is correct and not interpretation b?

Mary Freeman said...

In all four gospels Jesus never once said anything about Mary as the Catholics do.
These apparitions are not Mary.
The Bible has already proclaimed the dangers of not giving our all to Jesus,
and it has already proclaimed the blessings we get when we give our all to Him.

Mary Freeman said...

Bible Beliver:
That is so true, the Bible says to test the spirits. If the spirits do not confess Jesus coming in the flesh is not of God.
These apparitions never confessed that Jesus came in the flesh.
I think at one time the apparitions said "my son". But these apparitions never said, never confessed that the Holy Spirit brought Jesus in the flesh without human sexual contact.
These apparitions are not Mary of the Bible.

Mary Freeman said...

Bible Believer:
All these places where these apparitions have appeared, people have been flocking there hoping that Mary would heal them, but not one person left those sites healed.
They still left those places still sick.
You would think that the Catholic Church would think twice about chasing after "Mary" apparitions.