Tuesday, December 14, 2010

The Problems with "Christian" Message Boards

Take it from me, do not make Christian message boards too much of a hobby, they are a mess! Learning from my errors in spending literally hours debating with the recalcitrant, was a waste of too much of my life. I learned a lot: iron can sharpen iron, about the Bible and expanded my own studies, but overall, there was the wasted energy too. This took me time to figure out so this is something I was guilty of TOO, but writing this to get people to THINK: but what is the purpose for Christians to keep arguing with the same set of people for 3, 4, 5, 6+ years? I've watched boards where the same set of evangelicals have pontificated on Mary, the Eucharist, and Purgatory with posts numbering in the thousands to the same Catholics who have refused the gospel literally for years. That ignores this mandate:

Mat 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

That said on many of these boards, a lot of the so called Christians aren't even pretending to preach the gospel or expose error anymore. It's about winning arguments and getting over on people. People get in the flesh and go to battle. This can be a danger especially for those who enjoy intellectual debate, and was a danger for me. If you post on nothing but the homosexuality of the Catholic leadership while ignoring the absolute rot and false teachings in evangelical churches and nothing else to Catholics, where is that going to get you or them?

Arguing with people isn't going to work and will only make them more entrenched. This will not win anyone to the Lord. If you participate on a Christian message board, ask yourself is your time and energy is being used wisely? Don't waste literal years having the same arguments with the same people, be wary of those who when dealing with unbelievers show no love, and are arrogant and mean. Clear out from toxic people and get yourself out of there. Throw the pearls of scripture, gospel and biblical warnings to those who will listen not a group of the seared who will mock and insult you.

Don't think all the time on Christian message boards is bad, I've met some really great people over the years, but I have discerned something seriously wrong with the majority of them.

I warned here about the Scripts that are used worldwide to mislead Christians. Realize each and every one predominates on the majority of Christian message boards out there. This may be an odd admission, but just holding fundamentalist beliefs is enough to get yourself banned off most Christian message boards out there. I have been banned off of a large Baptist board for saying what used to be commonly accepted among Baptists that the Catholic church was the harlot of Rev 17, and on others have suffered censorship and threats of being banned for holding to biblical separation.

Many of the large Christian message boards come with an ecumenical plan. There are a couple very big ones out there, where they even have a pro-Catholic section, Catholic moderators included, just like the evangelical bookstores, with their Catholic section!

On one huge well-known board, that offers a section for every cult, I actually asked a couple months ago, if a fundamentalist Christian section could be added [for those who believe in biblical separation]. I kind of knew from the get-go I'd be turned down. No surprises there. The folks who love Catholic history, the ecumenical movement, Emergent theology, predominate too in many of these places. In many of these places, one can see gentle Christian souls literally bombarded as they come on talking about desiring a home fellowship, or showing any personal vulnerability. I told someone the other day, I have seen secular boards where there has been far more politeness, and day to day kindness then on Christian message boards!

Talking to many people on Christian message boards, outside of the very few minority like-minded Bible Christians, is like talking to brick walls who all say the same exact thing. If you are biblical Christian, you will hear these terms over and over, and no matter the explanation, they will not cease from the script [keep in mind, I am posting the same like I do on this blog] : you are "clanging symbol", you are a "hater", a "legalist", a "Pharisee". Then there is the problem, that on message boards I think more evidence is growing is they are have a large number of knowing deceivers, who are there to serve as change agents, guide the conversations and label the dissenting or biblical Christian with out hesitation. This website, actually goes in depth about this issue. Do not miss this article either. I have personally witnessed many of the things the author talks about. This is not "conspiracy theory" it is real.

The Christian message boards are infiltrated to the max. I do not care if someone considers me a "tin-hatter" for saying this but they are. Spiritual warfare is real, and there are many luciferians, cults and other types with interest in influencing Christians to a certain end. Having spent too much time on them, one notices patterns over the years, and its far worse then anyone could dream. The infiltrators work together by the way too.

There are plenty of the deceived honest types who are merely influenced by false pastors and churches but when you see people contradict themselves even formerly long held beliefs, play two sides of an issue, or realize that someone seems to always be online, no matter their presentation of themselves as a healthy active person with employment, every hour of the day, to immediately answer your "controversial" post, you know something really weird is going on.

Even little two-bit boards, you do not think the powers that be wouldn't care about, seem be taken over those who are not acting as "honest", "sincere" people you are having disagreements with but those with agenda. I have discovered myself personally a message board, that presented itself as being for fundamentalists, but really the people even claiming to be preachers were "fake" and years ago they had even fake church websites which I saw myself [and took those down, I guess with the advent of GPS mapping on Google]. The people running this place are actually anti-fundamentalist Christians and use satanic avatars, and worse. When you see "Christians" putting up vampires when it isn't October as a "cool avatar" or one eye Horus symbols, that should give you a clue. Use discernment to figure out who the badly disciplined teen vs. the occultists marking themselves for other occultists. Names like DarkKnight, Sheepwrecked [get it?], holy mole, are some of the names I've seen used. Some places they don't even try to hide it but they know most of the "asleep", won't notice.

Then still there was another message board, where it consisted of unbelievers on a lark trying to play Christians for fools, by pretending to be "Christians"[every outrageous stereotype was employed as they made a game of playing "Christians", church ladies and fake pastors". I knew within a few minutes, but those who are undiscerning, I saw others being tricked. Then there are others full of closet occultists, cultists and the rest all trying to lead Christians astray. I have seen closet occultists even infiltrate boards of sincere but wrong Catholics, only to be exposed years later. [trust me they will ignore the Christian's earlier warnings]

How can I put this plainly: Christian message boards are dangerous spiritually even beyond the fact so many are infiltrated. The peer pressure to conform, accept error, stop exposing wolves is intense. You will see good cop and bad cop games, and the neo-evangelical contingent never lets up in telling Christians to accept false preachers, not expose error--[abusing the wheat and the tares verse], watering down and worse. I have YET to find a Christian message board that seems to not be compromised in some fashion. If you read this, and know about one, [beyond places of one-three posters] that is true fellowship of Christians in love, tell us about it.

Those who are not walking with God, and who do not have the integrity of their beliefs, could easily fold, hanging out too long on these places, and I have seen it happen. I recently have been convicted to make better use of my time and to avoid Christian message boards more, I may still post links to my articles on different ones, but beyond that my time is going to remain more limited. There are people out there, that are open to the gospel and Christians who want to share true fellowship and will take honest warnings to heart, instead of reacting in anger and abuse.

One thing I know I have to do is apply the Bible more to internet activities and face even my own sins on the web. That means verses like this are to applied to the computer too.

Jam 3:16 For where envying and strife [is], there [is] confusion and every evil work.


Anonymous said...

So does that make you better than anyone else?

Bible Believer said...

What a strange response....

Why must some people always make the "messenger" the subject instead of what is being discussed.

I admitted I stuck by message boards too long myself, which was quite a mistake.

Two I used to be on, I have noticed have already reverted to the Catholic vs. Evangelical endless round and round fighting, all evangelical issues wiped away in one fell swoop. How convienient.

Anonymous said...

To be honest, just about every Christian message board around has been infiltrated by those types mentioned in your piece.

I believe the original intent of many message boards were good, but with anything that that was doing God's will, Satan sends his minions to not spare the flock.

We are now seeing the message board environment dying off. With true Christians leaving in frustration, there isn't many left except the self-righteous ones who have an agenda of promoting themselves or another hidden agenda rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

There just isn't many REAL Christian people left on today's Christian message boards.

Bible Believer said...

Anon, I'm glad you see that the Christian message boards are infiltrated, I believe their original intent was good too, when I started out on Christian message boards, I epected to find great fellowship and edificiation, it was the complete opposite, while I found acouple real friends, there too the Christian has to be careful of the Trojan Horses who will befriend with the cause to either help lure you into their cult or working for Satan to bring confusion. You are right Satan has sent in his minions to not spare the flock, and the message boards have been taken over.

I have noticed, that there are very true Christians on message boards, most of the time they are either banned for speaking the truth, censored or driven off via attrition, group pressure and verbal abuse. Those who work for Satan whether knowingly or unknowingly play plenty of tag-team games to drive off any Christian desiring to speak the truth.

See my post too on the scripts used to silence Christians: it applies to these message boards.


You can see the script being used even in the first response here. "Do you think that makes you better then everyone else?" The typical manipulative statements, that can really work to bring a group against another person.

So yes then you are left with the self righteous, and the rest who want to deceive.
You are right there are no REAL Christians left.

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Anonymous said...

I took my message board down. A lot of the professional Christians don't have time to join and help others. It wasn't that I wasn't getting page views that the board failed.

No one wanted to study the Bible.

People left message boards for Facebook and blogging. People are concerned more about their own blog and themselves.


Paula said...

Thanks for this article. I just left my last "Christian" board, christianforums.com. You're exactly right, it's a farce and a toxic trap. People no longer know how to discuss anything of importance, follow a train of thought or argument, disagree with civility, or separate the argument from the person. The boards run rampant with double standards, gossip, and betrayal, not to mention heresy and blatant false teachings. The so-called Christian world essentially fiddles while Rome burns.

I've often said that the best way to test character is to disagree with someone on a topic they hold dear. The fact that those proclaiming Christ get nasty about "tone" but show now emotion about blasphemy tells us everything we need to know about their character, about what they really hold dear.

Really, I may have to rant some more in my own blog. If I do I'll be sure to link here, because we surely aren't the only ones seeing this. God bless.

Bible Believer said...

Hi Paula,

Yeah the Christian forums are a bad world. I get lots of "angry Christians" who post rebuttals on this board, and they write and even leave the oddest things. One even today told me I should go listen to what some Satanists say. So yeah things get strange. Realize a lot on those boards are phony. You are right about the double standards, gossip, betrayal, not to mention heresy and the rest. I know it is scary to watch the lot of it. Yeah, disagreements show people's mettle. One can tell too if a person really cares about you or has a true friendship with you when disagreement comes up. Some of these people, well if I didn't think a lot of them were fake, I do not think they'd know what friendship or treating people with respect or dignity even meant. Yeah they give the scripts out, "how dare you" but toss you overboard if you dare to dissent. It is really sad. I'll have to check your blog out. Thanks!

SntMartyr said...

Well said.

In the end the remnant of the faithful will be Christians who reject what Our Lord Jesus Christ said to reject and hold to that which He said to. It will also include the Catholics and Orthodox who totally reject ecumenism and hatred of fellow believers and all false doctrine and have found their way back to the early church and true apostolic teaching. House Churches are the way at this time. Idolatry of mammon and depravity are the way of most so called churches. Our Lord meant what He said at all times and forever. God will not be mocked.

Concerning the trolls who populate Christian and Catholic and Orthodox boards, I am convinced that many of them are Jews (posing as Christians) working for the rising of the Antichrist, who will be a Jew. And no, I don't know any dates, according to Our Lord Jesus Christ, I can't possibly know that.

The three biggest heresies at this time are Ecumenism, Christian Zionism and the Secret Rapture. The Secret Rapture is actually a combination of Docetic Gnosticism and Talmudic Lurianic Cabalism; it denies the resurrection, which is in the flesh, and NOT in some spiritualist whisking away of the soul. It is absolute heresy and apostasy.

Our Lord Jesus Christ said in:

Gospel of John, Chapter 5:27 and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man. 28 "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
-- this is a clear statement that the resurrection will be physical and here on earth and not otherwise.

The blessed apostle Paul said in:

1 Corinthians Chapter 15:12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Paul also said in the Spirit:

2 Corinthians Chapter 6:14 Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? 15 what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?

God bless the remnant in Our Lord Jesus Christ. Watch and pray at all times.