Wednesday, October 27, 2010

Why I am NOT a Calvinist!



Calvinism has an appeal because it tends to have an answer for everything -- you can explain everything [by saying] that God predestined it." --- Author unknown

This article I want to explore Calvinism and why I do not agree with it. This article due to space will not cover every in and out of Calvinism such as TULIP, etc, but will cover my basic disagreements. The modern churches today that are rooted from Calvinism include the various Presbyterian churches and "Reformed" churches. Calvinism is getting very popular out there, and there are many young people flocking to the reformed . Calvinist theology] is infiltrating and starting to predominate in many baptist congregations including as a strong force in the Southern Baptist Conference and even some fundamentalist baptist churches. This is ironic since Calvinists used to put some Ana-baptists to the stake. I used to ask Calvinists: why should I hold Calvin as being a godly man, since he kept the worse baggage of Rome and burned Servetus to death?[a known martyr in Unitarian circles]. I am going to run down what I noticed after years of seeing Calvinist blogs, reading their books, and interacting with them online. Many are well-meaning people who do want the truth, but they have been deceived. One thing as a warning to everyone: once you become a [*name that man*] "ism" [Lutheranism, Wesleyanism, Calvinism etc, you have run off the rails from being a Christian. There is a reason the Bible warns about the DAUGHTERS of Rome and the harlot daughters of the mother.

Mark 8:24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.

1. The overall problem with Calvinism is they hold to Rome's baggage. This includes holding to early Roman Catholic councils, and early church fathers. Calvinists ignore the warnings of the apostles who warned against grievous wolves even during their time, and hold to Rome's false teachings that come from Augustine. Augustine who was praised by Calvin who based a lot of his writings on his teachings, led people to embrace the worse aspects of preterism, sacramentalism--he taught, that "Christ bore himself in His hands" and amillenialism. These basic "Catholic" roots cannot be ignored.

Calvin said this as well:

“Augustine is so wholly with me, that if I wished to write a confession of my faith, I could do so with all fulness and satisfaction to myself out of his writings.”


In embracing Augustine via Calvin, they embrace his spiritual ancestors of Eusebius, Origen, Ignatius, all full of false teachings and leading the churches astray. One sad thing about many Calvinists I have encountered is they seem to take the Roman Catholic version of "church history" for granted, instead of listening to the warnings in the New Testament. Acts 20:29 "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock."

The very fact their churches are built on these false foundations has led to immense errors, these false early church fathers, are also another avenue back to Rome. Scott Hahn a well-known Catholic convert, writer and teacher, used to be a Presbyterian pastor, had this to say in his book detailing his conversion to the Roman Catholic church:


“Scott gained many insights from the early Church Fathers, some of which he shared in his sermons. This was rather unexpected for both of us, because we had hardly ever read the early Church Fathers when we were in seminary. In fact, in our senior year we had complained loudly to friends about possible creeping Romanism when a course was offered by an Anglican priest on the early Church Fathers. Yet here was Scott quoting them in sermons! One night Scott came out of his study and said, ‘Kimberly, I have to be honest. I don’t know how long we are going to be Presbyterians. We may become Episcopalians’” (Rome Sweet Rome, p. 56).


I have seen this time and time again, even other converts to Rome, have pointed out their emphasis on Rome's false foundations instead of scripture in leading them to swim the Tiber. False church history has led many intellectual seekers without the Holy Spirit into the ditch.

2. The Second thing I noticed with the history of Calvin, was more Catholic baggage and that was not only early proto-Dominionism--marrying church and state back in the 1500s Geneva [Calvin supported the union of church and state and theocracy] but burning "heretics" at the stake, namely Servetus who Calvin said of "If he [Servetus] comes to Geneva, I will never allow him to depart alive." Well this happened. Servetus by the way was a celebrated martyr in Unitarian circles. In other words Calvin retained the murderous aspects of Rome. The Calvinist roots even of the Puritans had them burning people later on.




3. Thirdly, Calvinists, holding to aspects of Romanist sacramentalism even if they admit to some errors in Catholicism still practice false traditions like baby baptism, and practicing Lent. They hold to many traditions of men. Now many churches are infected with false traditions like Christmas, but Calvinists hold to many aspects of the false liturgical churches. One growing trend is even though the Westminister Confession denies the Real Presence, many Calvinists are now contemplating a more Roman Catholic view of communion, while maybe not taking thing as far as out and out transubstantiation, much of Catholic sacramentalism is contemplated, this is not without controversy though.


4. Fourthly, the idea of Christians being "the elect" who live among those who are not "the elect" and never can be, is totally wrong. Calvinists believe that Christians are predestined to be saved. They see themselves essentially as the Christian version of the 'chosen people". One wonders if this is one reason many Calvinists churches do not pass out tracts or do very active witnessing, after all if every Christian is predestined and "already in", what use is there preaching to the lost who have been supposedly predestined to hell from birth? This too leads away from conviction of sin, with Christians being led to see themselves as 'the elect" who supposedly cannot be lost who fail to examine themselves in the faith. 2 Cr 13:5.

The idea of the elect is against the gospel too as scripture says: Jhn 1:7 "The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe".

5. Calvinists can be great Bible scholars and hold a higher concern for doctrine, but here too lies one of the dangers of Calvinism, as a response to the watered down mega-church seeker sensitive "Christianity", it is good that folks seek more biblical truth. The problem comes in when this is married to false church traditions and foundations. Young people desiring more spiritual depth, then end up following Calvinism into more errors.

6. Calvinist churches with some exceptions are part of the ecumenical movement and most Calvinists wishing to separate themselves from the "fundamentalists" they see as intellectually deficient, end up going into "scribe-ville", and falling into the pits that can be laid for those who are "ever learning and never coming into truth."


One well known "Calvinist" Mark Noll [who considers himself a "reformed evangelical"]wrote a book "The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind" decrying the anti-intellectualism of the evangelical world. While he is correct about aspects of this--charismatic churches abuse human emotions to deceive, the sad thing is all this call for "reason" leads back to Rome's false foundations, Noll was a signer of Catholics and Evangelicals Together after all.

The World Reformed Alliance has had the typical ecumenical talks with Rome. They have merged with other organizations and had multiple ecumenical dialogues. Many Reformed and Presbyterian churches are teamed up with the World Council of Churches. There is also the promotion of something called "new calvinism" which is basically akin to neo-evangelicalism, teaching more "relevancy" and compromise with the world.

The New Calvinism is a growing perspective within conservative Evangelicalism that embraces the fundamentals of 16th century Calvinism while also trying to be relevant in the present day world. In March 2009, TIME magazine ranked it as one of the "10 Ideas Changing the World Right Now."[1] Some of the major movers in this area are John Piper, Mark Driscoll, C.J. Mahaney, Joshua Harris, Tim Keller, and Al Mohler.


Now there are a few exceptions to this ecumenical pathway, one can find some old school Reformed types, who hold to the RCC being the harlot. James White, is a Calvinist who warns about Rome and debates well known Catholics such as Robert Sungenis but one thing I noticed having talked to plenty of Calvinists online and reading their blogs, is the majority have embraced the one world religion, and ecumenicalism between churches. Presbyterian USA is one of the most liberal churches out there and most of the Reformed churches have joined the ecumenical parade. There is the Pyromanics website who warns about the Emergent movement, and other errors in the church. White Horse Publications publishes books warning against the Roman Catholic church such as Robert Zins's book: "Romanism: The Relentless Roman Catholic Assault on The Gospel of Jesus Christ". While there are many well-intended Calvinists out there, and many hold to some truths such as sola scripture, a re-examination of Calvinism as a whole is needed. Calvinism is a heresy, and to be frank another "daughter" arising out of the foundations of Rome's false teachers.

33 comments:

Anonymous said...

Calvinism is most certainly heresy. And boy do you get a lot of argumentative angry people in it, and always when they argue, they use this appeal to "intellectual superiority".

But the things of the Lord are not found that way. Rather, the truth of the Lord is found only by His Spirit, and He has chosen to give those things to the "babes" (Luke 10:21)

Bible Believer said...

Yes I have noticed the same "intellectual superiority" aspect to Calvinism, while intellectual curiosity, in itself is a not a bad thing, if one depends only on the intellect and not on the Holy Spirit, they can be led way off course. The scholarship is one thing that draws people in and many are very smart and good people, but it sets them up for deception. Too many theologians are misled this way Ecce 12:12

Anonymous said...

Whenever someone puts their denomination first, they aren't putting Jesus first.

Bible Believer said...

I agree. Of course that attitude is in many many groups, its all about the "organization" protecting and defending it.

Anonymous said...

Having been recently enlightened to the false teaching of dispensationalism, which I sat under for many years in Calvary Chapel. I decided to check out the teaching CC hated most.

My question to you is, have you ever read The Institutes of the Christian Religion? by John Calvin to see what he himself said, rather than what someone else claimed or often mis-claimed he said?

I read and have read many articles like you posted here, I even sought out Dave Hunt on this topic, and now that I am actually reading John Calvins own words, I can see you are misquoting too. So how can I trust your opinion? I can't and you shouldn't either, check it out yourself and don't be content with parroting.

Bible Believer said...

I have read many Calvinist writings, and websites where the people were Calvinists themselves. I guess I could read the Institutes, though I have read it quoted by Calvinists. So don't think I have only read the anti-Calvinist websites.

Christian Cerna said...

I tend to agree with most of what is termed 'Reformed Theology'. I believe that most of the great theological ideas came around the time of the great Reformation. When I first read about it, I also had trouble with the doctrine of Predestination(or God's Sovereignty in all matters, even in man's salvation). But I think the difficulty for me was not intellectually, because even as a new convert, whenever I read the Bible I could see that God always made clear that he chose to whom he would reveal himself- rather, the difficulty was more emotional. Whenever one learns something that goes against what the majority believes, there can be great doubt(i came from a pentecostal church that didn't focus much on doctrine or theology). It was a real test for me, whether I would choose the scriptures over traditions and the opinions of men. In a way, I think it was the beginning of a new phase in my life. At that point I began to realize that I had to seek out the truth for myself, and use the Scriptures as the foundation for my faith, and unlearn anything that was not in accord with what I read in the Bible. I am not saying that everything written by the Reformation theologians is perfect, or that agreeing with Calvinism is a requirement for being saved or being a good Christian, but I do believe that the Reformed theology is the most accurate one, and the best overall systematic view of the Bible. Nonetheless, I agree that one must be careful to avoid the danger of over-simplifying the work of God, or of pretending to understand all of God's awesome and incomprehensible plans for us. There are a lot of themes in the Bible that are held with high tension, and can often seem like they conflict with each other. (e.g. God's sovereignty vs man's free will, good vs evil, God's love vs God's justice, God in three persons yet One God, Loving our neighbors while also hating sin, etc.) But I believe that theology/preaching is very much like a bicycle tire. A bicycle tire has several spokes. Each one is carefully balanced and at the right tension, so that the tire is straight, and does not bend. If even one of those spokes is tightened or loosened too much, then the wheel begins to warp. And if one spoke breaks, the whole tire becomes useless and dangerous. So it is in theology and preaching. We must be careful to present the whole revelation of God, with the wisdom and grace of God, without focusing too much on one attribute of God, while neglecting the others. We cannot pick and choose the parts of the Bible we want to believe. We must ask God to give us wisdom and understanding, so that we can see the whole picture, like a completed jigsaw puzzle, and not just as many fragmented pieces.

Anonymous said...

I came across your article in a google search hoping to challenge some of the teachings of Calvinism that seem so biblically sound that it has become impossible for me to disagree with his 5 distinctive points about predestination. Unfortunately your argument is not at all compelling. In fact it makes me feel sorry for Calvinists as they are, here, being so grossly misrepresented.

In all that you have argued it seems like you just don’t like John Calvin or those who subscribe to his views on predestination (well except those who reject the Roman Catholic Church which, actually, John Calvin and many Calvinists did and do). You don’t actually engage the doctrines of grace or predestination in light of the scripture.

It is true that there are many who claim to hold to reformed theology that have embraced errors like a reunion with Catholicism and other heresies but you don’t show how the doctrines of Calvin and Augustine lead to a union with Rome or the ‘traditions of men.’ It is equally true that many non Calvinists have embraced heresy and even gone from being Evangelical Protestants to being Roman Catholics or some other aberration. But I would suggest that the reason people stray in this way is not because they are Calvinists or not Calvinists but because they are not actually saved. And, in fact, you yourself invalidate your own argument by conceding that James White is exempt from your objection because he is anti Rome. The problem isn’t that these people are pro-Calvin; the problem is that they are pro-Rome.

I would love to see you examine reformed theology in light of scripture while suspending your presuppositions for or against it. But be careful if you do; you might have to recant some of your objections. As I examined the scriptures, divorcing all my presupposed notions I ended up having to surrender my dispensationalism and ideas about the “freedom” of the human will.

I am glad I found your site though. I was greatly encouraged by Christian Cerna’s comment (in the comment section) whose experience is close to my own. I very much appreciated and agreed with what Christian said.

Anonymous said...

Dear brother
Just a few thoughts abut this article and the age-long controversy.
It seems clear to me that this divided camp between two supposedly antagonistic doctrinal notions, i.e. Calvinism versus Arminianism runs the same parallel paths in the religious field as the two supposedly contending social notions do in the ideology camp, i.e. capitalism versus socialism. It is the old demonic game: Hegel's theses versus antitheses. Create conflict so that "we" (the devil's agents) volunteer to frame up his solution to it... or else keep the conflict going indefinitely.
Now, what the Word says about God's sovereign grace is true; Romans, Ephesians, the Gospels, "without me you can do nothing", etc. bear witness to that.
At the same time the Lord Jesus wept for Jerusalem, the Lord God called his children time and again to repentance, in the Old Covenant time.
Both, God's sovereignty in man's creation and salvation and man's responsibility in receiving such salvation, are true. It seems to me that the trouble with man is that he pretends to understand the whole counsel of God with his little mind, and to that end he has to leave out half of the Bible, one way or the other.
I suggest that He wants us to say, with conviction: "Lord, this is a hard matter; we cannot grasp it... but we fully accept the whole truth of thy word. Thou are sovereign and we are responsible". One day we will understand it ALL.
Grace and peace
Samuel

Anonymous said...

Calvinism is false, and its origin is catholicism. Without catholicism, there would be no calvinism. If the root is evil, the fruit is evil too.

The truth is that calvinism and arminianism both fail the Bible test. So toss both to the dung heap where they originated.

Anonymous said...

Well, its what you get when billions of people all rely on individual "enlightenment" coming from a "glow" or "feeling" that they feel when looking at the Bible. Jesus did not ascend into heaven and poof...leave a Bible in his place, and say that "hey...all yall gonna need is right here in this neat little book I had the holy spirit write for me."

Bible Believer said...

I agree second to last anon, throw them both on the dung heap. You will see the last anon mock God's Word and say it is not important.

Anonymous said...

I never said it wasn't important. And I do believe its the inspired word of God. However the fact remains that under the individual interpretation rule...you will get as many interpretations as you have readers...I believe history bears that out.

Bible Believer said...

Are Calvinists now giving out that line that one should not personally interpret scripture? How very Roman Catholic of them.

Steve Finnell said...

UNLESS THE FATHER DRAWS HIM

John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

What is the meaning of John 6:44?

1. Does it mean only a few, who have been selected by the Father, will be saved? No, it does not.
2. Does it mean that men only respond to the gospel because of irresistible grace? No, it does not.

WHO ARE THOSE THAT THE FATHER DRAWS?

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught of God.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.

The Father draws all who hear and learn. The Father does not force anyone to hear or learn. Men have free-will. God does not impute faith into a few so they will believe and be saved. Faith does not come by injection.

HOW DO MEN HEAR AND LEARN?

Romans 10:13-14 for "Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved." 14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

Men need to hear the gospel before they can learn and believe. The Father draws men by the gospel.

Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

Faith comes from hearing the gospel. Faith does not come because the Father selected a chosen few, before the world began, to be saved. All who accept Jesus as Lord and Savior are the chosen and that includes whoever accepts God's terms for pardon. Faith does not come because of irresistible grace.

God the Father draws men to Jesus with the gospel.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek,

IT IS THE GOSPEL THAT DRAWS MEN TO JESUS!

IRRESISTIBLE GRACE IS NOT THE METHOD THAT THE FATHER USES TO DRAW MEN TO JESUS.

Romans 10:21 But as for Israel He says, "All the day long I have stretched out My hands to a disobedient and obstinate people."

Israel as a nation reject the gospel. How would that be possible if irresistible grace were in play? Israel turned away from God.

Matthew 23:37 "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.

Jerusalem was unwilling to be drawn to Jesus by believing the gospel. They had a choice.

John 5:39-40 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; 40 and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

The Jews had the opportunity to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ, but they were unwilling. There was no irresistible grace in play. The Father draws all who are willing to believe the gospel.

John 6:40 This is the will of My Father, thateveryone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."

IF YOU ARE READING THIS BLOG YOU ARE ONE OF THE "EVERYONE" WHO HAS A CHANCE TO BE BELIEVE THE GOSPEL AND BE SAVED.

MEN REJECT GOD.

GOD DOES NOT REJECT MEN DUE TO NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN.

THE FATHER DRAWS MEN TO JESUS THROUGH THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL. MEN ARE NOT DRAWN TO JESUS BECAUSE THEY WERE PRESELECTED FOR SALVATION!


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Matt said...

So many holes in your arguments, you can drive a Mack truck through them.

truelyfanatic said...

let's read what calvin's book:
https://truelyfanatic.wordpress.com/2014/01/25/calvins-institutes-of-the-christian-religion-book-3-chapter-23/

Anonymous said...

John Calvin is one of the most MISUNDERSTOOD men in history. I get tired of reading all these comments and so called stories about people.
If you ever wanted to see what he believed, the I suggest every believer read the Institutes of the Christian Religion. He taught what Christ taught.. not this just believe and your saved nonsense I am seeing on all these blogs. You also have to obey!

Bible Believer said...

I've read it, still not impressed. Calvin put people to the stake just like the Catholic church.

Anonymous said...

To the last anon. Jesus said "if you love me you'll keep my commandments". The word "obey" is not in John 3:16. More works based salvation. I've learned out of all my reading you have two religions in the world. 1 bible believing Christianity 2 works based salvation. If you set out to to obey thinking that's what salvation is, then that's works based. James

Anonymous said...



My favorite scripture that in no doubt proves Calvinism to be false. I forgot to post it above. For that I'm sorry. James.....Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Anonymous said...

6“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:36

Obedience to Jesus is NOT legalism and a works salvation. Anonymous, John 3:16 is a continuous tense belief-- in the Youngs Literal which demonstrates the continuous tense of the Greek, it reads whoever continues to believe. We define "believe" in the greco roman context where believe is a mental assent of facts and ideas. The Greeks thought that what mattered was what was between their ears. This mindset was the precursor of the Enlightenment where the philosopher Rene Descartes said "I think; therefore, I am". BUT, the Bible was written in the Hebraic culture where believe meant to live your life in accordance with your ideas. Hebrews 5:9 says Jesus became the author of salvation for those who obey him. And this is love for God- to keep his commands. 1 John 5:3-
Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. jn 14:23
However, as it is written: "What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived" -- the things God has prepared for those who LOVE (read- OBEY) him--1 Cor 2:9 There God is talking about heaven- for those who love him. There are 2 roads, 2 gates, 2 destinations. If heaven is for those who love (obey) God, then hell is for those who do not obey. In our dark apostate hour, emphasis is on God's love for us. Yes, God loves us, BUT do we love him. That is the issue, and it is a salvation issue. Do not believe those teachers who tickle ears and tell you that you can have Jesus as savior without obeying him as Lord. If you believe that, you have been deceived by a savage wolf.

olga said...

For a great discussion of Calvinism and reformed theology, click on the link below. Rather than reinvent the wheel, I will just post the link. This link is VERY thorough and will address any "holes". The issue has been presented as an either or situation: either you believe in the perseverance of the saints (once saved always saved) or you are believing in a works salvation. But, there are many who come to the Lord, turn from their idols to serve the living God, get freed from their sin addictions through the blood of Jesus, and follow him, yet "they believe for a while but in times of testing they fall away". Luke 8:13. Jesus was explaining in this parable of the sower, that this group of people did believe for a while, but in time of testing (persecutions that came to them for godly living) they buckled under the pressure and fell away. (or as Peter would say they returned to the world as a dog returns to his vomit" The bible is full of spiritual casualties. If it were up to God soley, no one would ever backslide. Yet God, in all his sovereignty, will not overrides man's free will to choose whom he will serve or to choose whether or not he will sow to please the spirit and reap eternal life or sow to please the flesh and reap destruction. It is like column A and column B. Colum A is what only God can do . God provided his son who died for our sins-- that we cannot do. But, in column B, that is what God will not do-- that is our part to follow Jesus- who obey -- who put into practice the Word like a wise builder. We cannot do this on our own strength but through the Holy Spirit and through grace which Is defined in Titus 2:12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good. His strength is made perfect in our weakness and Jesus is the vine apart from whom we can do nothing. Column B- is using God 'sgrace he gives us to obey him. We cannot save ourselves but our salvation is manifested by obedience and good works. The one who never get plucked out of the Father;s hadn are the ones who continue to follow Jesus. This does not apply to whose who drift away, who wander away, who return to the world, etc.. God bless you. The link below gives an excellent presentation of John Calvin's theology and the reformed position. God bless you.

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/calvinismrefuted.htm

Anonymous said...

Bible Believer, I am posting this in response to the person who cited John 3:16 to try and bolster the position of Calvinism.

John 3:16 (or the God so loved the world verse) is a favorite Scripture for many, but does it infer once saved always saved. In fact, if a professing Bible-believer knows just a handful of verses, one that he probably knows is John 3:16, especially as it reads from the KJV or NIV!john 316 eternal life
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

In spite of its popularity, the majority of people who can recite John 3:16 don't really know what it means. As far as man's part, one must have a PRESENT TENSE belief in Jesus so he won't perish and have eternal life. As with all other salvation teachings delivered by the Lord Jesus, there must be harmony to assure a proper understanding. Only if that exists can one be sure he has truth. At other times, the Lord Jesus taught we would have to repent or we would perish (Lk. 13:3,5). Hence, to believe on Jesus for salvation, as we read in John 3:16, must include repentance (which means to turn away from wickedness).

Anonymous said...

Furthermore, since the actual Greek tense of believe in John 3:16 is a present tense, it therefore, applies only to those who are presently, at this time, meeting that condition for salvation. It has nothing to do with a person who was saved in the past, but is now no longer believing on or following Jesus! Once saved always saved cannot be inferred. NOTE: Jesus taught it is possible to believe for a while and stop believing when tested (Luke 8:13)! That is important to know. Other verses also show one's saving faith can be destroyed (2 Tim. 2:18) and become shipwrecked (1 Tim. 1:19). A Christian must CONTINUE IN FAITH or be cut off (Rom. 11:19-22)! A person (who stopped believing) is not referred to in John 3:16 anymore, even though that verse did apply when he previously had a saving faith. Backsliders need to get saved again, as the Prodigal son did (Lk. 15:24). There definitely is no once saved always saved.

More on The Saving Faith of John 3:16

James 2 also helps us better understand John 3:16 by contrasting a saving faith in Jesus (which has good works with it) to the worthless faith of demons (which disobeys God) and cannot save. That is important to know, because there are many who profess salvation and claim to believe on Jesus but are living in sexual sin, hatred, unforgiveness, greed, witchcraft, lying, etc. yet wrongly think they are mentioned in John 3:16. They clearly are NOT. All they have is a false hope and misunderstanding of believe. They don't know to believe on Jesus is the same as obeying him. It is not mental assent to historical facts that he lived, died on a cross and rose again. Jesus also taught this:
He replied, "My mother and brothers are those who hear God's word and put it into practice." (Luke 8:21)
Unless your understanding of John 3:16 equals the same message Jesus declared about salvation in Luke 8:21, you have been misled somehow. If that is the case, please revise your understanding of John 3:16. Here are additional truths:
Those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. (John 5:29)
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. (Mat 13:41-43)
All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. (Mat 10:22)
But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven. (Mat 10:33)
Someone asked him, "Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?" He said to them, "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. (Luke 13:23,24)
God So Loved The World But Do YOU Love Him
Continuation from above comment: Program told me comment was too long.
The plan of salvation is vital to know, but a major hindrance to this is false teachers. They are usually religious fluent speakers in our day, who can appear sincere and know how to attract a crowd in one way or another, but deny the types of truths which will bring about the Bible-defined new creation resulting with freedom from sin addictions and peace with God. Be on your guard. Go by the Bible as final authority. Remember, your SOUL is your most valuable possession and there are more verses on salvation than just John 3:16, which help to explain that popular passage.
God so loved the world John 3:16

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/john316.htm

Anonymous said...

The truth is: man has free will both before and after initial Salvation. A saved person can be deceived, turn to evil and die spiritually. Hence, it is man's responsibility (NOT God's) under grace to hold on (Rev. 3:11; 2:25; Heb. 3:6; etc.), keep our lamps burning (Lk. 12:35), continue in the faith (Col. 1:23) and endure hatred to the end to be saved (Mt. 10:22; Heb. 3:14; Rev. 2:10,11). Jesus' sheep follow him (John 10:27). Many have failed in that regard over the centuries (besides King Solomon and the Apostle Judas Iscariot) and consequently got back on the road to hell again. Since a major advantage for a backslider getting off the road to hell is knowing he is on the road to hell again, and this is flatly denied by Calvinists, then multitudes continue to perish because of that teaching!
The Apostle Peter said, "Save yourself from this corrupt generation." Acts 2:40
It is NOT the Sovereignty of God OR Man's free will, for God's Sovereignty allows for man's free will.
My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins (James 5:19,20, NASB).
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/calvinismrefuted.htm

Anonymous said...

Many also find it hard to believe that John Calvin taught a license for immorality at times. This is easily seen by reading his comments on Ezek. 18:24. Before we see what John Calvin wrote, please note what that important Scripture declares:
But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die (Ezek. 18:24).

john calvin infant baptism calvinism Ezekiel is addressing the backslider (or as we might say in our day a Prodigal Son) and clearly says spiritual death will result when he turns to wickedness, just like God warned Adam would occur for an act of disobedience (Gen. 2:17). (One sin at times, can cause such.) A prime example of a righteous man turning from righteousness was King David when he backslid into adultery, murder and other sins.

John Calvin
John Calvin Beliefs - The Ezek. 18:24 Twist

To protect his strange theological system (which he got from Catholic Augustine of Hippo), John Calvin grossly contradicted Ezek 18:24. Instead of changing his doctrine to align with Scripture, John Calvin tried to alter the meaning of that passage. Below is what John Calvin wrote about David (as he comments on Ezek 18:24), showing that Calvinism allows for the elect to sin as David did, yet remain saved all during that time he was completely unrepentant:
But what is far worse, the saints sometimes rush headlong, as though utterly desperate. John Calvin Gets The Skull And Crossbones Award For the example of David shows that the elect, although regenerated by God’s Spirit, not only sin to a small extent, but, as I have said, plunge into the very lowest abyss. john calvin eternal security king david sinned David became a perfidious homicide, and a traitor to the army of God; then that wretched king fell into a series of crimes: yet he failed in only one thing, and showed that God's grace was only suffocated within him, and not altogether extinguished.

Hence, any other statement by John Calvin or anything his followers today might say, which would imply the truly saved live holy lives or they were not truly converted, is nothing but empty talk and a smokescreen designed to hide the license for immorality that Calvinism truly is. (Such people try to avoid backslidden King David like the proverbial plague.) We know this because John Calvin dangerously taught, in contrast to the clarity of Ezek. 18:24 (and other Scriptures), that a righteous man would not extinguish God’s grace by sinning like David. Please note he used the word grace. John Calvin, just like Charles Stanley and others, have changed grace into a license for immorality by teaching eternal security . That doctrine must be opposed by all Christians in obedience to Jude 3,4.

John Calvin beliefs
QUESTION: Did you know Calvinism declares an elect person remains saved even if he plunges into the very lowest abyss of sin before you read it here?
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/johncalvin.htm#john calvin

Anonymous said...


"No event has more influenced history's judgment of Calvin than the role he played in the capture and execution of the Spanish physician and amateur theologian Michael Servetus in 1553. This event has overshadowed everything else Calvin accomplished and continues to embarrass his modern admirers."(19)
Three important questions remain: (1) Can John Calvin be Scripturally justified for murdering Michael Servetus? (2) Does a murderous hate, according to Scripture, render one spiritually unable to accurately interpret the Scriptures? (3) Can a murderer be saved according to Rev. 21:8?
All these answers have a bearing on the credibility of John Calvin's popular "perseverance of the saints" doctrine, among others. Regretfully, Calvin's version of Christianity is the prevalent view in our land, but is his view Scriptural? To answer in the affirmative is to say that John Calvin's double predestination is true, that is, some are predestined for Heaven and others are predestined for Hell without free choice on their part!(20) This would violate many Scriptures, especially 2 Pet. 3:9:

"The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."
Furthermore, John Calvin's teachings declare Jesus' work on the cross was NOT infinite, because according to that teaching, He did not shed His blood for every human, but only for the elect -- those predestined to be saved. This is clearly refuted by 1 Jn. 2:2:
"He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world."
Also, his "perseverance of the saints" doctrine would assert that God's power will keep a truly saved person secure, in spite of grievous sins committed after regeneration and/or any doctrinal heresies that would be embraced, thus violating many Scriptural examples and warnings which prove the opposite!
It should be apparent that, from the founder down to us today, the "perseverance of the saints" doctrine (most commonly known as "once saved always saved") has most often been a "license for immorality" taught under the banner of grace. See Jude 3,4. As John Calvin's own theology allowed for his actions against Servetus, many in our day are sexually immoral, liars, drunkards, filled with greed, etc., while they profess salvation. This is a ramification of John Calvin's perverted grace message -- a teaching which has "spread like gangrene" from a man who could openly burn another to death and for the remaining 10 years and seven months of his life, never publicly repent of his crime.

"Servetus' ashes will cry out against him as long as the names of these two men are known in the world."(21)

Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15

The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 2:14

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/michael-servetus.htm

Anonymous said...

Lol. I love how you said exact statements that the Bible has and then say it is totally wrong. All of your evidences against Calvinism never actually attack a belief (unless you make the mistake I pointed out in the last sentence), most of your arguments are simply "You look too much like [insert name here]" or some other play on semantics. I don't agree with you, but that doesn't change that we both have our identity in Christ. I hope that you can keep living and loving God.

Anonymous said...

I agree that Calvinism is false. You have to ignore a lot of things that are clear in Scripture to believe it. It is a set of theological ideas that caused me doubt and desperation for several years. I know that those that believe it mean well, but it is a misrepresentation of God and His love for humanity and desire that AL come to a saving knowledge of the truth although obviously not all will. Anyways thanks for the article.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 8:54 PM. If anyone can't prove their doctrine from an English KJV, then that doctrine doesn't exist. I was told long ago never believe anyone who tries to "go back to the Greek" to try and prove a point that is not other wise there. God said he will draw ALL MEN unto him. When you tell a Calvinist that scripture says that God will draw ALL me unto him, they respond with the nonsense "well all doesn't mean all", I'm surprised no one made this argument yet. And yes ALL MEANS ALL.. Was Jesus "lifted up from the earth"? If your answer is yes, then it clearly says he "will draw all men unto me". Also, you gotta love it when someone says that a "Mack truck" can be driven through your beliefs, but fails to quote scripture that proves so....James......

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me

Anonymous said...

If you were not chosen by God then who do you thank for your salvation?

Anonymous said...

Dave Hunt wrote a very informative book about the debate on Calvinism called, "WHAT LOVE IS THIS"...it is a very large book, but he wanted to be very thorough, knowing men like James White and other proponents of Calvinism would be scrutinizing every word he wrote. You might like to have it around if you want some quick reference when talking to people about Calvinism...I do hope people will not start with the Reformation though. Begin with the Bible and try not to become influenced by what could likely be a Hegelian Triad with Catholicism and Protestantism being the first movement, then using Arminianism and Calvinism as the second movement. Begin and end with the Bible, not a debate about the bible.
Pastor Greg Duncan