Monday, October 11, 2010

Deceiving You With Aliens and Nephilim?

Writings about the Nephilim are everywhere, now this isn't mainstream stuff and I know with this entry, I'm going into what will be for many --very strange territory, but this subject definitely while on the fringes of Christendom is growing more widespread and even beyond the "conspiracy theory" world. Well known preachers like Missler have mentioned the Nephilim as well as authors like Steve Quayle and Tom Horn who focus on this subject greatly with Horn doing interviews detailing the Nephilim with Gary Stearman and JR Church on [see video above] Many Christians do not even realize this world where evangelical Christianity meets science fiction even exists. If this is your intro to it, google "Nephilim", or "Nephilim and Christian" you will see the vast variety of websites.

There are other websites like Raiders News Network whose article linked from a blog today is "Forbidden Gates Series Part 19: A Biblical Example Of Nephilim Resurrection?" and Peering Into Darkness Radio. There are countless books being sold in the Christian and other markets dealing with this subject: [Here are a few examples: not everything I discuss applies to these books in particular.]

They all point to Genesis 6:4: "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown" and interpret it as meaning that fallen angels came to earth, had sex with human women and made "hybrids" that became "giants" and now today have developed into creatures made of both human and angel DNA, [as aliens] the so called Nephilim now living on other planets who are supposed to come back presumably right before the tribulation or before and wreck havoc .

Reading Cathy Burns book, "Nephilim,Fallen Angels and Aliens":

It got me thinking, she details some of where scripture and these Nephilim theories do not add up, such as why do these researchers go to extra biblical sources so much, especially the book of Enoch, and the contradictions where Jesus points out angels are not given to marriage [Matt 22:30]. The verses that stand out for me though are the verses about how the different species even of the earth: God made them to be "after their own kind."

Genesis 1:

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

If evil angels could make babies with human beings, then wouldn't that mean that different species could co mingle freely? It is a contradiction.

The following does not mean that I consider myself any type of Nephilim expert, if you disagree with this article, share your disagreement but some of this stuff gets so creepy and dark, and so deeply deceptive, if you go reading and researching pray and have God draw the line at what He wants you to look at. There are websites that I have had to run from. Sherry Shriner denies the apostle Paul [thus parts of the New Testament], other websites will take you down the creepy pathways of denoting each Nephilim "alien" class, and UFO visitations and more, which will give you nightmares. Even some of the book covers of related topics will give you the willies:

Overall I have had two very disturbing thoughts about this Nephilim stuff, that is getting so popular now on the fringes of the evangelical world and feel a duty to warn or at least voice those thoughts even if this is a subject that is being examined. I believe we are at the time of the worse luciferian deception building up ever in history as warned of by Jesus Christ--Matt 24, and that means, whenever you even hear these odd theories, you have to be discerning, if a guy calls himself a Christian, but then writes nightmare inducing books, maybe think about that one for while.

The first premise to me is that if there were angels that ran around making babies with humans, that means there are humans now with satanic DNA, first among this is the idea that certain bloodlines or human groups exist that are part luciferian not by free choice of choosing evil but by their DNA. This has been used for racist beliefs in various guises worldwide, but is definitely part of the picture where some theorize world leaders and elites hold certain "tainted" bloodlines. Are there satanic or luciferian families who hold power in this world? Sure, but it is not about their DNA. Not all the Nephilim teachers espouse this DNA theory, but it is definitely out there. New Ager David Icke with his talk of those who are reptilian dances with these theories. I have heard even of Christians who got into this strange Nephilim stuff, surmising different groups of people who may not be "savable" due to tainted bloodlines. That is a lie. All human beings can repent and be saved by Jesus Christ no matter the wickedness of their lives or their families. The bible wipes away this garbage with three verses I know of, and there are probably more.

Luk 3:6 "And all flesh shall see the salvation of God."

1 Timothy 2:4

Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

The second thing that disturbs me is how these books, videos and other websites focus on the Nephilim [ie: aliens] "creatures" as being BIOLOGICAL BEINGS. In the Bible we are warned of demons time and time again and given many examples of Jesus casting out demons and then the apostles doing so:

.Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

I believe deliverance applies to now as ever before, this doesn't mean there are not false ministries out there that fool people but it is a gift of the Holy Spirit and spiritual warfare that is still intact. Here is my idea, think about the incredible deception in telling people, these creatures are BIOLOGICAL with DNA, like you and me even if they are part "angel", where does that leave spiritual warfare? They will be deceived in thinking they have no spiritual tools at their disposal.

This promotion of Nephilim as "fleshly" beings is then quite disturbing to me. Now this Nephilim stuff is quite complex, I do not lay willful deception at the foot of all of the Nephilim researchers and writers profiled above, but this is something I wish more would think about.

The world is already being brainwashed with science fiction and UFOs galore, with even spirals being seen in the sky [man made or not] being blamed on UFOS and "aliens". Many Christians already discern the link between UFOs and demons, some have even spoken about how books like "Contact" with alien visitors work along the same lines of demonic possession. Just be mindful of how all this stuff could be used for deception.

I believe aliens are the modern man's demonic shapeshift, where people of earlier times, saw water sprites, fairies, ghosts and other creatures. Demons can deceive in many different guises, why not aliens? They are just a new way Satan has come up with to deceive modern man. There is no evidence that a biological Nephilim exists, even if the Bible warns of stars and "gods" that easily could refer to evil spirits [ie: fallen angels]

Act 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

Realize this, modern man has been set up for over 50 years with the lies and deceit of science fiction [which I am planning more entries on later], there is a reason, that Star Wars worships the "force" when the Bible warns of the "god of forces" in Daniel 11:38. During these times, one needs to check out all everything according to the Bible and avoid the doctrines of demons that includes some of what these teachers are coming up with about the Nephilim. On that note, I highly recommend Cathy Burn's book above, it helped open my eyes and clarified some questions I had regarding this stuff.


Anonymous said...

I've encountered believers who think that angels mated with women. These people really should put away all those books they are reading. As you pointed out, the Scripture absolutely refutes this. Nephilim means "fallen ones", simply refering to Cain and his descendants who turned their backs completely on the Truth, and founded paganism in the east (Sumer).

Bible Believer said...

Yes there are many of them out there Anon. I believe they should put away those books too, and get back to the Bible. There is a lot of subtle and non-subtle deception with this Nephilim stuff.

Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Anonymous said...

Hmm, but what do you say about the giants in the land that the children of Israel said made them look like grasshoppers when compared by stature? Do you believe that they were speaking figuratively? How much taller must a person be to be referred to as a "giant"? One foot taller? Two feet taller?

I think you should pray about your position on this issue. :)

Labby said...

This is a complex issue for sure. I am not so sure there isn't something physical going on - the giants, the obsession with reproductive systems that the "aliens"/demons have with people they've messed with, the underground stuff I won't go into. I do believe aliens are demonic, but I believe they are toying with the physical also, possibly. I have no hard conclusions either. Very dark subject matter for me, probably the darkest, so I don't like to look into it very much, therefore I haven't reached conclusions for myself : ) Thanks!

Anonymous said...

To Anon.#2:

No one said that there were no giants. Gigantism is a genetic defect. That's what they had, but because they thought that made them appear as gods, they bred this defect purposely. Those who were born with it, would have been termed "sons of god". As for those after the flood, it would have been Ham's wife who would have had this genetic defect, since the giants came from that couple, from their son named Canaan. Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

I'm just curious where you got from the Bible that Ham's wife had genetic material from Cain? Where did that come from in Scripture alone?

Anonymous said...

Since it was Cain and his sons who were giants, and since they all died, and since only 8 survived the flood, and since the post-flood giants were descended from Canaan, and since Canaan was the son of Ham and his wife, and since Ham was not the giant being descended from Noah and his wife, that leaves Ham's wife. Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

Where does the Bible say that Cain and his sons were giants?

You are assuming things that are not in Scripture.

Bible Believer said...

I'm interested to know where the Bible says Cain was a giant too, especially since he was a child of Adam and Eve.

There is dispute about the translation of "giants", have seen translation that seems to point to it being "mighty men" [if I remember correctly that was Cathy Burn's theory]

Most of this Nephilim stuff is coming from the uninspired book of Enoch then actually what scripture is saying. People are blending the two books together, that is dangerous spiritually.

One thing, if you take all this stuff to its final conclusion it means God sent the flood because of DNA interbreeding and corruption NOT SIN. What implications does that have for the entire Bible? One's genetic heritage becomes massively important rather then being born again and being washed by the blood of Jesus Christ.

Here is another thread: where Cathy Burns has a
discussion with a Nephilim believer it covers even the deceptions about Cain, the Bible states clearly that he was born to Eve.

Here is a quote:
The Bible tells us that angels do not marry neither are given in marriage (Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; and Luke 20:35) but Genesis 6:2 says: “That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they TOOK THEM WIVES of all which they chose.” Since angels DO NOT marry, the sons of God were NOT angels.

There is a lot of talk about the return of the Nephilim. The Hebrew word used in Genesis 6:4 for giants is nef-eel’ which comes from the root word naw-fal’ meaning “to fall,” “fugitive,” “cease,” “die,” etc. This word is used in passages such as Genesis 2:21 where God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and Genesis 15:12 where a deep sleep fell on Abraham. The word is also used where Cain’s countenance fell as well as where different people fell on their face. Yet another use of this word is where enemies fell before the sword so to read into the Scriptures and try to make this word mean that fallen angels mated with women is a real stretch of the imagination."

When I was UU, I remember reading a lot of pagan mythology books, I see this Nephilim stuff as marrying some of what I read in those books.


Bible Believer said...


I agree, it is very complex. My main perogative is to get people thinking and not believe everything they are reading out there. One thing, some of this stuff we may not know, there are things I believe God knows we can and cannot handle: knowing every class or trait of demons probably isn't healthy for the human mind.

Overall I agree with you too that aliens are demonic. Not all of my conclusions are definite, this is as I wrote a subject I have examined, but I know there is deception happening with this Nephilim stuff, that I am sure of. Do not forget this world has shoved science fiction and UFOs down our throats for 50 years, I believe there is an agenda with it. To go with the Nephilim teachers thinking a favor was done for us by this, I can't go with. The Scientologists even incorporate odd alien theology into their religion, as well as other false ones like Mormons who are taught they will be "gods" of their own planets.

Bible Believer said...

I wanted to add when reading books on alien visitations, the book "Contact" and others, some as an unbeliever, the aliens always teach the same luciferian "theology", that is no accident. Having read this stuff, I remember what was in there. Alien visitations mirror demonic possession in every way. They are using this alien stuff for some form of mind control and maybe setting up for an aspect of future deception.

Anonymous said...

To Anon. #2:

Frankly, whether Cain and his sons were the giants or not, is pointless. What matters is that the post-flood giants were descendants of Canaan who was the son of Ham and his wife. Once again, since Ham was no giant, and Noah and his wife his parents were not giants, then that leaves Ham's wife with the genetic defect. Stating that it is not known if Cain and his sons were giants is a strawman argument. Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

The post-flood giants are clearly physically described. They also had the other genetic defect of polydactyly (too many fingers and toes). This is well recorded in Scripture. Therefore, since there were these post-flood giants, there is no reason not to take the pre-flood description as being otherwise. Yes, they also were powerful men, but I believe that they also had the genetic defect. Bible Believer, I have sent you my paper explaining how this occurred. In short, it occurred because of their toxic diet over a very long period of time which caused these genetic anomalies. Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

Bible Believer, I agree that the flood was not to wipe out a different "race" of humans, but that it was for the sin of men, most specifically the establishment of paganism by Cain and his sons. Since we know that Cain went to the east, and we know that Sumer is the oldest civilization and that this civilization is indeed in the very same area to which Cain went, it is quite safe to assume that it was Cain who founded Sumer. Sumer was dedicated to paganism and infected the entire planet with its Mystery Cult. Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

Nowhere in Scripture does this "Ham's wife carried the bad traits" show up. Nowhere. Such a belief is a "tradition of man", and should be rejected wholly by all Bible-believing people.

Bible Believer said...

I am not sure about this concept of genetic defects denoting satanic DNA, I have read about the "6 finger" claim with the Nephilim. Are we to believe that genetic defects mean one has Satanic DNA? Does that mean today's pituitary giants are evil? Does this mean this kid with extra fingers and toes [see #8] cannot be born again.

To me this has the whole air of the whole genetic perfection thing behind it, and we know where the Nazis took that one. There are many Christians today who are not perfect genetic specimens, may be dwarves, have extra limbs, or missing limbs, etc.

Anon #1 [yes I am open to reading your paper]

I agree about Sumer bringing in the paganism and the Mystery Cult religion, I believe this is where the root lies to all the false religions. Babylon and Sumer.

Genesis 4:17 (King James Version)

17And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

[even less reason to trust the book of Enoch etc, thought chances are the copies we have are a later century Gnostic abberation]

One thing wouldnt some want to throw out the deception out there that "bodily and DNA perfection" is the top goal instead of being born again in Jesus Christ, and avoiding SIN?

Bible Believer said...

If it's not in the Bible, I'm not going to believe it.

The stuff with Ham, too:

Remember the verse I posted where it says that all men are of ONE blood.

That to me wipes out any notion of there being humans running around with satanic DNA of any group.

Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

Anonymous said...

Yes, that is nonsense about "Satanic DNA". That is certainly not what I am referring to. I'm just talking about the presence of genetic defects which proved that those post-flood giants descended from Canaan carried this defect, and that this defect was from one of his parents. Since Ham is not the one, that can only mean that his wife carried the defect to bring it back to the post-flood world.

I would also add that just as the genetic defect was carried aboard the ark, so was the PAGAN RELIGION carried aboard. It didn't take long for Cush (Kush) to refound Sumer and for his son Nimrod to re-establish the empire. That they moved back to Cain's old foundation, proves that they CONTINUED the Mystery Cult which he began. THIS is the true "defect" of which we should be concerned. Canaan's sons all followed this very religion, and some were allied closely with Nimrod. This is the point we should all be getting. It isn't about genetic defects, but of spiritual rebellion and falling away. Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

Also, that it was a genetic defect negates there being any "angelic DNA" connection, or any alien connection. A genetic defect has nothing to do with any of this. They were all born of just two parents: Adam and Eve. The genetic defects occurred because of their life style choices. However, those defects did reveal them as being "fallen" away from the Truth, no different than saying, You shall know them by their fruits. Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

The "genetic defect" argument is nonsense and totally unbiblical. Forget Ham's wife, as she is not brought up in Scripture at all.

Anonymous said...

You are completely ignoring the fact that all the giants were descendants of Canaan, whose parents were Ham and his wife. You are ignoring the fact that Ham was not a giant, nor were his father or mother. Therefore, Ham did not carry this defect. Gigantism is a proven genetic defect, as if polydactyly. It is in fact a genetic defect. You say "forget Ham's wife" but it was her child which bred the post flood giants. Now I would like to ask what is your true motive here? Do you believe in the angel breeding nonsense, or perhaps the alien "encounters"? Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

Where does Scripture say that "all the giants were descendants of Canaan"? I want a Scripture that says that!

Anonymous said...

And for that matter, even better, a Scripture that says that "giant genes were passed by Ham's wife"?

Anonymous said...

Sorry, I meant all the post-flood giants were descended from Canaan. The Amorites, the Sinites, etc., all these are the ones among whom were giants. No other peoples were said to have giants. Goliath was of the Amorites though he lived among the Philistines. He was a descendant of those who ran to Gath when Caleb attacked Hebron which belonged to the Amorites.

You still have not answered by question to you? Do you believe in the angel breeding with women nonsense? or the aliens?

But I say again, these people were all descendants of Canaan, who was the son of Ham and his wife. Ham was not a giant. That leaves only one remaining person from whom Canaan received this genetic defect. The Scripture tells us by telling us who the giants were, of what nations--of those born of Canaan. By telling us this, it is pointing to one of two parents of Canaan. Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

Since you did not answer my query, I would have to assume you believe in the angels breeding with women nonsense. You ignore the Scriptural clues as to who the post-flood giants descended from in order to keep your sacred cow belief in a false doctrine. You will not abide simple genetics because you prefer the false assumption of angels capable of breeding. Christ put to rest any such idea as He made it quite clear that angels cannot procreate. It is you therefore that is not being Scriptural. Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

I do believe in the Nephilim/fallen angel connection. You call it "nonsense", but that's just your belief. Calling a doctrine names, doesn't make you right. It just makes you sound like a third grader.

You still haven't shown where gigantism is ever even hinted at being merely from a "genetic defect" in Scripture. That was a false assumption on your part, and it doesn't hold any water when compared to the Bible.

And then you take one false assumption, and then tie it into Ham's wife, who is never even brought up in Scripture one time.

You sound more like a gnostic than a Bible teacher.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of using names! Your belief as I already said was clearly denied by Christ. Have a good day! Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

Bible believer you did a good job in refuting that false belief by showing that it contradicts Scripture. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

And you have made things up out of thin air and wrote them into your Bible. But they're not in the Bible.

Anonymous said...

No matter what I've said, your view contradicts what Christ has said of the issue. That is the bottom line and that's all that's important. Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

And also Acts 17:26 as Bible Believer has already quoted. Worth another quote:

Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

Regardless of what I have said of the matter, your view is simply false. Period. Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

Even if my view is false, it doesn't change the fact that your view is equally as false. I'm not married to my view, but you certainly are to yours.

Anonymous said...

As long as we all know that angels did not mate with women, that's great! The rest doesn't matter. Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

Well I believe you are twisting the Scriptures to try and argue against what you just don't believe. I still believe it. So, we'll agree to disagree. Bye.

Anonymous said...

Twist Scripture? The Scripture is quite clear. It speaks for itself. Anon. #1

Bible Believer said...

I just cannot conceive of this idea of all these incredible genetic defects taking over, it just sounds odd to me and doesn't make sense. Present more verses as to where and how these supposed "giants" took over. The Gnostics have a lot of weird stuff out there about "giants". We have to be careful this stuff isn't being mixed in.

Remember the Greeks had their Titans.

But overall if the Bible says, that humankind is of ONE BLOOD, how can there be people of "giant" blood out there. Are people with tall relatives or tall themselves supposed to start freaking out? LOL

Anonymous said...

Take it easy, Bible believer. Genetic defects are quite common. But those who have them are still the same humans that everyone else it. A genetic defect is simply like a disease. Giantism is one such defect. Look it up. The same with polydactyly. Genetic defects are also called "genetic disorders". Here is a quote from wikipedea:

A genetic disorder is an illness caused by abnormalities in genes or chromosomes. While some diseases, such as cancer, are due in part to genetic disorders, they can also be caused by environmental factors. Most disorders are quite rare and affect one person in every several thousands or millions. Some types of recessive gene disorders confer an advantage in the heterozygous state in certain environments.[1]

The difference pre-flood was the longevity of human life. The average life span was about 900 years. Since the age of maturity was at a much older age, the human body had a much longer growing state. But what also caused this sensitivity to genetic disorder was the fact that humans, being newly created, were more susceptible to genetic damage. Through the millennia we have "adopted" to changes since that time. But at first the purity of our genes had not yet adopted but were rather in the process of doing so. Because of this, humans were more sensitive to toxic effects. This is the reason that we saw "cavemen". These people were victims of genetic disorders gone wild--nothing more. It was not "evolution". It was not angels mating with women. It was not "aliens".

Giantism is simply a genetic disorder. In fact, though relatively rare, it still exists. One having such a defect never stops growing. That's the problem. However, in the ancient days, because men had such longevity, those with this disorder continued to grow even more than those of today. These days such a one with this disorder does not have a very long life to live. The problems catch up to him before he can grow old, and he succumbs. In ancient days, one with this disorder simply continued to grow, until he too succumbed. However, since their growth years far outnumbered ours of today, they grew far larger-perhaps even as tall as 20 feet. They were still the same humans we were however. Anon. #1

How it was different in those days

Anonymous said...

Oh, and I want to add that these "giants" were not very common. However, because it was falsely perceived as a "god-like" state, they had much power because of the people's superstition. In fact, there were far more people of Cain who had unwanted defects than giantism. There was also dwarfism and other defects. But none of these were believed to be "god-like". Anon. #1

Anonymous said...

Bible Believer does not realize or refuses to acknowledge that the term for "giants" as translated by the KJV guys is actually the HEBREW term, NEPHILIM.
Ge 6:4 (KJV) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

n@phiyl nef-eel'
or nphil {nef-eel'}; from 5307; properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:--giant.

The term in the plural is always "IM"

And just for information purposes, the term, 'sons of God' in the Old Testament always referred to the angels, whether fallen or not.

Just a little food for thought.

I don't buy into all of it either, but, there is a reason Jesus said, "As in the days of Noah..."

Bible Believer said...

The translation of Nephilim is up to dispute, I have seen it mean "great man", "mighty men", "fallen ones" etc and even the translation above says "bully" or "tyrant", that doesn't mean literal Jack in the Bean Stalk giants walking around.

Anonymous said...

Well, I believe they were first fallen away, but that they also had the genetic defect. However, I do believe that the evil angels (demons) inhabited the fallen MEN which empowered them to behave in an evil fashion. The fallen ones, by virtue of their pagan ways and sorcery, were inhabited by those demons. But it was MEN, the powerful kings and rulers, who took of any daughter they wished. The Words of Christ make clear that angels in and of themselves CANNOT mate.

Anonymous said...

I would add also that the Scripture definitely acknowledges these "giants", as described by Moses of the giant king they defeated. In addition, Goliath and his other family members are also described as giants, by telling their height as well as their other genetic defect of polydactyly. So if those are described as actually being enormously tall, then there is no reason not to believe that the pre-flood fallen men were also giants. But they were NOT angels, though they were inhabited by demons. Anon. #1 and also the above post.

Anonymous said...

Genesis 6:1-4:

"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

The giants spoken of in verse 4 were known in the Hebrew language as Nephilim. Nephilim can be translated to mean "fallen ones" or "fallen." Thus, the children that came from the union of fallen angels and human women were known as the fallen. This term has been popular in the Hollywood culture. Here are a few examples:

The 1998 film "Fallen," which stars Denzel Washington as a detective who encounters the fallen angel Azazel, who is mentioned in the book of Enoch.

The name of the first album from Evanescence was titled "Fallen."

The name of the second Transformers movie was "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen."

In 2006, ABC Family aired a miniseries titled "The Fallen." An 18-year-old boy discovers he is a Nephilim, and that his destiny is to redeem the fallen angels and return them to Heaven.

Fallen, a 2009 novel by Lauren Kate which made the New York Times best seller list.

According to II Samuel 21:20 and I Chronicles 20:6, a possible sign of a Nephilim is 6 fingers on each hand. Goliath is perhaps the best known Nephilim. But it is their parents, the fallen angels, who are of much more concern. Because of the actions of the fallen angels, the world became completely corrupted. This is why God sent the Flood. The fallen angels had polluted the human race, the creation of God. God was angry, but he spared Noah because Genesis 6:9 says that Noah was "perfect in his generations." His family had not been tainted by the mixing of human and fallen angel flesh. Now look at what Luke 17:26 says:

"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man."

Anonymous said...

Where else does the Bible mention the fallen angels who corrupted the world and brought on the Flood? 1 Peter 3:18-20: "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." 2 Peter 2:4-6: "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly." Jude verse 6 and 7: "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." The Bible compares the sin of the fallen angels to the sin of Sodom and Gomorrha. "Strange flesh" refers to the union of a fallen angel and a woman, or a man and a man, or a woman and a woman. The 200 fallen angels taught people sorcery, astronomy, and incantations. They taught men to make weapons and fight, and they taught women to wear make-up, in order to make them more attractive to the fallen angels. The Book of Enoch says that the mysteries of Heaven were revealed to man, and it was through all of this forbidden knowledge that man became entirely corrupted. God's creation was ruined by the fallen angels, who corrupted not only the human race, but the animal kingdom as well. This is why drastic measures were necessary, and God sent the Flood.

Bible Believer said...

Enoch is not inspired scripture, it has many Gnostic ideas in there, and well when I read the Cathy Burn's book, I wrote about in this article, she showed some of the major discrepancies in the book of Enoch, I could list some of those. In Gnosticism, they do advance the idea of fallen angels mating with women, and having basically hybrid 'satanic DNA" people. You have to strip this stuff aside. If that was true, then why would the Bible speak of the gospel being for "all men" to repent. Why wouldn't sin be enough for God to send the first flood? Purity of heart is what God looks for not of DNA. Examine the laws in the Bible in Leviticus, and the rest, [the ones against incest and worse actions] and imagine tons of society that didn't even adhere to the basics that humans mostly do today. Think about that. Sin would have been enough for God to send the flood to the world.

1Cr 15:39 All flesh [is] not the same flesh: but [there is] one [kind of] flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, [and] another of birds.

There is another verse that says all men are of ONE BLOOD too.

Strange flesh doesn't have to mean making hybrid "devil" babies but could involve many sins of a sexual nature that the "law" speaks of in the OT books.

Bible Believer said...

There are people now with 6 fingers on their hands. Google it. [use images] Are you telling me that these are all people with "satanic DNA"? What do you think on that? Do you believe that there are presently people on earth who are "Nephilim"?

Why couldn't Nephilim mean the FALLEN angels themselves, why this impetus for biological beings?

In the Bible we are shown demons always look for physical bodies to possess. Jesus even send some into pigs. What do you think all examples of demonic posession are there in the Bible? What better for the devil then to get people to think all the aliens and whatever they plan to send to deceive are all biological beings instead of actual demons and fallen angels where spiritual warfare will work against them. No they'd rather have Christians running scared instead of taking authority in Jesus Christ's name over these evil spirits.

You are right Hollywood has MANY movies full of the Nephilim. But why should we believe them on anything, mind controlled luciferian network that it is?

As for giants, we have "giants" now too. Men that are 7 and 8 feet tall, they are rare but they exsist.

Dan said...

Bible Believer, I'm the anonymous poster who posted above. I do not currently attend First Baptist Church of Hammond, as I told you in another thread, but I do consider it somewhat of a home church still. I wrote a letter to Jack Schaap concerning the fallen angels, and I have yet to hear back. I would like for you to read it and let me know your thoughts on it. Is there a way I can send you the Word file? It's fairly long, which is why I don't simply post it here. If you'd prefer, I could post just certain parts here, but either way, I would like to hear your opinion on what I wrote down. I looked into this whole matter of Genesis 6 day after day, to the point where it was becoming an obsession. I know there are mainly 2 opposing views on the interpretation of Genesis 6:1-4. I came to believe the idea of the fallen angels, and I would like to show you why, not to convince you as much as to show you why I arrived there.

Dan said...

And by the way, I did google 6 fingered people probably a month ago, so yes, I've seen those pictures. I'm not saying they are or they aren't related to Nephilim. The jury is out on that one for the moment! But have you heard of the interpretation of Jesus' parable of the wheat and the tares, where some people believe Jesus was referring to Satan planting a seed amongst us that looks like us but is not truly human. Tares may be children of the Nephilim, so they would not be giants themselves, but still have fallen angel DNA. I don't know if this interpretation is correct or not, but it's interesting how the parable says that an enemy did this. In Genesis 3:15, God makes a distinction between the woman's seed and Satan's seed.

Bible Believer said...

Well tares represent false Christians too wouldn't they?

Actually go ahead and email me that word file at I'll tell you what I think. Thanks.

Remember I do believe in the concept of fallen angels doing dirty work on this planet, just not in Satanic DNA "beings".

Anonymous said...

you keep making references to "nightmare books" yet my mother made me watch the "left behind" series all the time when I was a kid and that STILL gives me nightmares. I've seen christian comic books that I won't even let me 12 year old read because it's so violent and graphic. This is crap that is being sold in your local bible book stores with the cover that it is demons and angels fighting. The real deception is making people believe that their saving Grace is the fear of God, not the love of God. Seriously, why are you saved? Is it because you truly feel Jesus's love or is it because you are afraid to burn in hell? Fear is not love, Jesus even said that the fear is not the Spirit of God, so why do you continue to instill fear to gain follower's? And then turn around and tell them to stay away from scary stuff, but yet the church is filled with it?

Bible Believer said...

Left Behind is scary too.

No argument from me there.

In fact, I think those books, are horrible. Read the book "God Wrath on Left Behind".

It is God's Love that salvation comes out of and what Jesus CHrist did for us.

1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

Here is my testimony if you are interested.

I know I deal with heavy topics on this blog. This one was not meant to make you afraid, but to warn against false teachings.

Be careful of those who tell you there is no love in warning people of things. My relationship with God is all important, and based in His love. Warning people about what is going on, one needs to turn to God OFTEN.

I am not looking for "followers". I want people to be born again in Jesus Christ, and follow Him. This blog is to warn of things happening in the churches and as a place to talk about some of these [I admit] hard and difficult issues.

The churches are full of scary stuff. But Christians can't be scaredy cats, or take the tactic of ignoring what is right in front of them, to "feel better" while Satan is a wolf waiting to devour.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, I've seen a Nephilim giant. Alive and well. You can debate all you like, but during the Time of Jacob's Trouble you will see many of them. See websites like

Bible Believer said...

Where did you see this giant? In the USA or out? What kind of circumstances was it? How did you distinguish them from a pituitary caused giant?
I believe demons can shape shift into any form, how did you know if it was a biological being or not?

mj said...

If Noah was the only pure blood-line, what blood-line were his sons' wives from? If the families they came from were Nephilim, and therefore had to die, why weren't they killed as well if they were not of Noah's bloodline? And the same question applies to Noah's wife. And Noah's extended family. Clearly, this is a spiritual issue rather than a physical one.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks MJ.

The Nephilim stuff is nonsense. If Noah was spared being the only pure bloodline how would that work? It would be impossible for one line to be pure and all the rest polluted. Good question, where were the son's wives from then? You are right it is a spiritual issue.

Donna Martin said...

I'll have to read Cathy Burns book again. I do believe that aliens are demonic, but also see some value in the Nephilim teaching. I'm considered the abduction of humans by ETs for their eggs and sperm. I never considered some of the points you brought out. I'll have to rethink the whole thing. The greatest factor is the people who are marketing these ideas: Marzulli, Horn, Missler...all part of the fakes. Thanks!

Bible Believer said...

Yeah just think these things out Donna, I know it took me a long time to sit and think these things out. Yeah it means something when the one's exposed as fakes or trip the discernment bells all teach the Nephilim stuff, of course I allow for sincere folks too of course like myself who was newer to the subject or haven't studied it in depth, who still see value in the Nephilim teachings because it took me time to make sense of it all, and still have questions about some of the aspects. This is a real complex area. Yes reread the Cathy Burn's book again, I have a copy and have paged through it and gone to check a few things out she writes about. God Bless.

Anonymous said...

This is why it is considered the great deception Satan would find a way to decieve us all, though it could not happen over a small period of time it would take centuries to corrupt the way mankind thinks and acts. It definately makes sense to me I have been reserching this subject for quite somtime. First starting with NWO which I was skeptical on, I prayed and as I did, I continued to find one piece of the puzzle after the other, with God guiding me the entire way. I opened my mind and said what if about the what seemed to be impossible interpertation. My advise to all mankind, do not turn your back on an idea until you have completely researched it and collect evidence to prove it wrong.

Anonymous said...

Did people not consider that it was the fallen angels egging the people on /or going into the people in order, to do bestial things that breeded the giant people?

Anonymous said...

What an excellent article and much needed. There aren't many people sounding an alarm on this false and dangerous teaching. I came out of witchcraft and the new age movement in 1999. This is what I was exposed to there. To find it in Christianity is very disturbing and telling.

But I wanted to make a comment about the 'sons of God'. There is only one place in scripture where that refers to angels. All other scriptures, and there are many, are speaking of men. Another thing to consider is that the pharoah's -- whom Israel was certainly familiar with -- were known as the 'sons of God.'

People who accept this teaching have more in common with witchcraft and the new age movement than they do Christianity - whether they realize it or not. Christ and the early church focused on the kingdom of God and the importance of repentance and faith in Christ for forgiveness of sins. These teachers spend more time talking about new age subjects than they do the precepts that have marked Christianity for the past 2000 year. They have believed the lie, prefering it to the truth. No wonder shows like coast to coast have these teachers on their shows constantly - along with all the other false teachers of the world. They fit in.

If what you teach is acceptable to the world, there's a very good chance it's not acceptable to God. James 4:4 - You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.

Bible Believer said...

To last Anon, I came out of New Age, witchcraft and occult too--now as an ex-UU Theosohist.

I was NO stranger to Enoch, and weird theories about angels mating with women.

I remember occult books that got into ALL of this stuff. When I discovered it in "Christian circles" I remember being really weirded out. Some Calvary Chapelists tried to convince me this time was different but the more I listened to Missler, read Horn, Patrick Heron, I kept thinking I HAVE HEARD ALL OF THIS BEFORE/

I wrote on one comment, think here maybe another article, that even the WATCHERS stuff was NOT NEW.

More one of my other readers pointed out.

1Ti 4:7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself [rather] unto godliness.

Anonymous said...

I'm always so afraid to admit I came out of witchcraft and the occult. That's out of shame. But Christ delivered me from all that hell, and He really deserves the glory and credit for that.

Thank you for sharing what Christ has delivered you from. It was very encouraging for me. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one, but I know that's not true. Maybe because of our past, we are able to recognize this teaching for what it is.

This really was an excellent post, and all your comments (the ones I read anyway) added greatly to your message. God Bless.

Bible Believer said...

I think God daily for bringing me out of UU and paganism and the Catholic church. I almost died too while in one of these false churches and praise God for sparing me and allowing me to live and coming into salvation. I know I have shame for my time with the occult, but I know God has forgiven me, and I have repented. That is something to be thankful for everyday. I know that because I was in 'so deep" there isn't much more satantic then Theosophy [well Theosophists don't consider themselves satanists but it is of Satan] that when so called "Christian" teachers bring forth the mysticism and 'esoterical", there isn't much that doesn't match earlier occult writings I used to read. Even the Dominionists in their love for wanting to take over this planet, sound like Blatvasky praising her would be ascended masters. I think my past especially in the UU, and with the Catholic is a different type of mixture, that did allow me to find out many things once I had become a Christian and learned what true Biblical Christianity was. In my case, God took me out of the UU in one day, after I had been in for 12-13 years. Back then I wasn't saved yet, but I do believe it was for a purpose. I wake up everyday never forgetting this.

david kadlec said...

I have heard of this from Misler and others and listened to them talk. It looks to all hinge on one verse, Gen. 6:4. Without that verse I doubt this conversation would be taking place.

The Bible tells us angels are spirits, either good or bad. They were in heaven and no flesh can be in heaven. Jesus told us this,

Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

If the angels didn't have flesh and bones while in heaven they would have had to create a body for themselves in order to mate with humans, unless you think God gave them a body.

My question would be, "Where did the fallen angels get their bodies from?"

david kadlec said...

I have heard of this from Misler and others and listened to them talk. It looks to all hinge on one verse, Gen. 6:4. Without that verse I doubt this conversation would be taking place.

The Bible tells us angels are spirits, either good or bad. They were in heaven and no flesh can be in heaven. Jesus told us this,

Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

If the angels didn't have flesh and bones while in heaven they would have had to create a body for themselves in order to mate with humans, unless you think God gave them a body.

My question would be, "Where did the fallen angels get their bodies from?"

grateful_frenchy said...

I am glad yo have find like-minded brethrens about these things.
While reading Genesis in the peace and clarity that can only come from the Holy Spirit , it was clear to me that Genesis 6 is can be explained by the context that precedes i.e. : Genesis 4 and 5. It is not for nothing that God gave us these genealogical chapters. Cain's lineage was the first to fall (into rebellion and apostasy) , followed by the lineages that came from Seth and Cain 's other brothers and sisters(likely Cain married one of his sisters or nieces). Then it seemed that even Seth's lineage was tainted with apostasy as there was only 8 persons saved in the end.

Q said...

There are so many helpful comments I have gleaned from this dialog. Thank you all so very much for your marvelous contributions. So much of what many of you have said has added a great deal to "filling in some of the the holes" in my own pursuit of this and other unanswered & interconnected questions.

The links below are my own grateful contribution submitted in appreciation and love with the confident hope you will agree they are indeed additional "jewels" worthy of this collective "string of pearls" that so many of you have put together above. I sincerely hope they will add further clarity to your already intriguing insights and edify your hearts in truth for the gospel's sake. It's been so much of a priviledge for me to hear your thoughts and consider your arguements and insights. Once again, thank you, and God bless you!

Quantum Mysticism in the Church:

An Analysis of The Kingdom Power and Glory-The Overcomer's Handbook by Chuck and Nancy Missler:

Dr. Chuck Missler, SWANsat, and the Auric Currency:

kimolsen said...

Many excellent comments here. I have come here before seeking information. Great links from Q and I have posted some of these on my own blog.

It is sadly fascinating to watch the nephilim teachers fall further and further from truth.

Just the other day i quickly researched Marzulli after watching a promo video of his watchers with Stearman. He speaks of a near death experience of a Howard Storm who became a pastor because he "met" jesus. But he speaks of "Christ Consciousness" on his site so he is false conversion. Marzulli did not pick up on this.
Then I researched Missler's bible codes and the meanings of the 10 names in Genesis. He forms a sentence using definitions of the names, he said can be found in Strongs Concordance and the Lexicon. Nope this is a false teaching. His defintions cannot be verified. For instance, he defines Lamech as "despairing" because it sounds like lament. What a crock.

As I search the fruit and teachings of these men, I can easily reject them.

Anonymous said...

I appreciate this blogger's neutrality; facts, speculation questions, concerns, all legitimately laid to ponder.
To ALL, who act assured of your understanding of the texts: Please tread carefully, there is a fine line between a sure foundation and pride. Tradition can be a strong delusion, in and of itself. Tradition and pride will deny truth, with a surety that is not based in infallible fact, but rather perceived understanding.
The seals are being opened, understanding increased and garbage abundant.
Do not swallow everything fed. Do not deny all that has plausibility. "I Don't Know" is often a wise answer. Prophets told God that, and said, Lord, you know.
False prophet examples in the Bible, told lies based upon what was soothing, comforting, to hear. All is, as was, nothing to worry about oh king.
Jesus was not recognized by the religious leaders. After his resurrection, his disciples did not recognize him either, until he made himself known to them.
Pride is a foolish destructive thing;It burrows in the mind with roots reaching toward the heart. Pride works to make the truth unrecognizable. Tradition works to make truth unrecognizable.
My proof of this fact is the Bible examples we are given to learn from.
My belief: What happened in the garden was not simply the consumption of an apple, but more along the lines of a consummation by seduction.
Tradition will not allow this thought. Tradition allows ishtar-easter, and other christian anomalies. It says book of Enoch not allowed. My belief, after reading Enoch; Christ quoted him.
Yes, I could be wrong, but am willing to change upon greater given knowledge.
How about your denomination? Are they stuck on "right"? How long has it been since they saw need to examine bylaws, or acknowledge an error? Do they honor pagan days and leave out Christ's feasts that tell of his history and consummation to come?
None Of Us are Right. Let's Get over it and Become the Body of Christ that We Are Called To Be.

As History example shows, Tradition that is wrong, affects direction, sight, and outcome. It can lead to crucifying the messenger, if not put in check.

Bible Believer said...

I agree about treading carefully and avoiding pride.

Tradition we know is a source of all sorts of trouble, doing things because they always have "been done" and so few question the traditions of false holidays like Christmas.

You are right tradition says "book of Enoch" not allowed but go study the issue for yourself and pray to God for the truth. What cements for me Enoch being false is contradictions against the Word of God. I would get a copy and quote from it, seriously, to even expose it, but in my case I felt God told me to avoid the book for whatever reason, after I had that first look and knew it did not "read right". if you want to know the truth I felt such revulsion, I had to put it down. There are things I of course to expose read [non-Christian books etc]but I believe sometimes a person is told what to leave alone.

Read Cathy Burn's book,

she details some of the contradictions. Some I saw myself even via the first skimming through

and I'll be frank about something else. You know what I have talked about regarding my Theosophical UU days on this blog, there is a lot of NON-CHRISTIAN stuff in that book, Alice Baily loved the *WATCHERS* too. You must remember I was reading all sorts of stuff, and well Enoch [the book presented as being written by Enoch] is FULL of OCCULT references.

With Enoch, yes mentioned in the Bible, but absolutely no proof that the book of "Enoch" of today is valid. I looked for myself, it doesn't read like scripture, but like the rest of the false apocrypha and gnostic books. They all have the same flavor to them.

I agree about understanding being increased, we have to be careful, and yes it is OK to say "I DO NOT KNOW", and pray to God for the truth.

1 Corinthians 13:12

King James Version (KJV)

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Anonymous said...

I'm completely with what Bible Believer says.
If you don't believe the Bible now--you will soon. :)

Anonymous said...

Luke 20:36

Angels (fallen or not) don't die, how did they die in the Genesis flood?

Fallen Angels or demons and devils were cast out by Jesus, so we know they were/are still around in His day...

Angels are not human flesh. Therefore they can not produce human offspring. Only those who fantasize with lustful thoughts on these things can hold such notions... being literally seduced by doctrines of devils.
1 Timothy 4:1

Please don't claim to be so much better off because you reject Christmas... and yet embrace FALSE PROPHETS who teach this doctrine of demons... (such as Matt TwoFour of wolvesinsheeps that you recommend here) (interesting you mentioned Matt 24 in your article) "Nephilim fallen angels being born again not of spiritual flesh but earthly flesh, not to salvation but to damnation of all flesh..."

1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.


A Curious One said...

I know I am late to this conversation but here are my wonderings as I skim the web pages of the Nephilim theorists…

I don’t think the point of the God sending the flood because of sin, as mentioned above, is disputed. I would think the mixing of women with non-man is sin as in disobeying the commandment of Elohim to reproduce after one’s own kind. My point is that I don’t think the Nephilim theories are necessarily mutually exclusive with the main reason of sin being the cause of the flood. Wouldn’t this be simply another type of abomination committed during those days along with the rest? It may be an even bigger one than most, as man was made in the image of Elohim and this would alter His creation in a purposeful and horrible way. In this light, the current medical experiments of mixing human DNA with non-human DNA is certainly an abomination (actually ‘playing God’ with a new ungodly ‘creation’ being formed, the religion of Lucifer).

One of the overall themes argued above seems to be that of angels not being able to reproduce and spirits aren’t flesh, etc. First the later point: well we know spirit can become flesh and go back to spirit (Jesus). I am not sure if the bible says that only Jesus is capable of this feat. I don’t think the bible addresses this directly and therefore probably isn’t something I should read a book about or be too concerned with. As for angels not being able to reproduce: maybe, but the bible appears to say the Satan can and will, as says the first prophecy in the bible:
Genesis 3: 14 – 15 “And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between THY SEED and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” (KJV, emphasis mine)
What is the serpent’s seed? There is some figurative language here. However, the woman’s seed is certainly referring to offspring, with the prophecy of her seed agreed by many to be fulfilled with Jesus. How can we then say the serpent’s seed is figurative when believing Eve’s was literal? I am no Hebrew scholar, but unless this is a mis-translation, Satan will have at least one offspring (the antichrist?). To me it appears the scripture is to alluding to more than that here.

I am not sure what to make of it all. I believe, and it appears most here do also, that the alien meme is a demonic deception. Of course, we don’t get this from a verse in the bible. The bible doesn’t warn us about non-humans in “space” crafts. We come to this conclusion through discernment from biblical warnings of demonic deception. Whether or not these ‘aliens’ are demons, nephelim, fallen angels, etc, is no matter: all of them would stand against the one and true God, and are my enemy which have come to steal, kill, and destroy. Need I know more regarding these?

A warning I think I should add to those looking into these things, echoing the host’s warnings: these non-canonical books referred to in above comments have not had the care taken of them over the centuries to be unaltered. Also, less scrutiny has been applied as to their authenticity than the canonical books…so what you have is books that were fallible to begin with, having never been canon, and who knows what has been altered from that point onward?

Anonymous said...

“This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God" (Luke 8:11).
and the word of God is Truth. And it produces born again , not of corruptible seed (1 P 1:23).

in a similar manner, the seed of the serpent is Lies which produces spiritual children to its likeness (John 8:43-47).

Anonymous said...

I don't get why you think it's unbiblical.

And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”

Notice the sons of Anak.

"And Hebron was given to Caleb, as Moses had said. And he drove out from it the three sons of Anak."

JOSHUA 15:14
"And Caleb drove out from there the three sons of Anak, Sheshai and Ahiman and Talmai, the descendants of Anak."

"a people great and tall, the sons of the Anakim, whom you know, and of whom you have heard it said, ‘Who can stand before the sons of Anak?’"

There are more places that show the descendants of Anak (those who came from the Nephilim).

So I don't understand why everyone thinks it's not in the Bible because its everywhere!

For people who say they are Bible believers, you sure don't read what is in it.

cooter said...

Some of you guys bashing on the nephilim idea seem pretty full of yourselves.

Not only that but you ignore glaring flaws in your so called 'proof' that the nephilim don't exist.

First off could someone please explain why Genesis makes a distinction between 'Sons of God'
and 'daughters of man'?

Because if it refers to the fathers of these daughters as just 'man',where does the title 'Sons of God' come from?

Sounds like they are a little grander than 'man' doesn't it?Also where did the giants come from,and why did the bible bother to tie the 'Sons of God' breeding with 'daughters of man' into the existence of the giants so much?

The 'men were taller because they lived longer' argument is also silly and bogus.

Were that the case almost all men would have been giants including Noah and his relatives.The fact that the bible mentions the giants seperately leads me to think that they are not simply human men,but something more.Perhaps they were the inspiration for the mythologies of the titans and so called demigods like Hercules.

Also read the Daniel,where the dream with the statue of all the remaining earth empires to the end of the age is listed.The last kingdom (Anti Christ NWO kingdom) is described as the 10 toes of iron and clay.

'And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.' Daniel 2:43

It goes on to say that just as iron and clay can mix yet not cleave to each other,so will 'they' mingle with 'the seed of man'.If it makes a distinction from each other then the last kingdom will obviously be ran by both men,and those that are not human.

That is where the alien agenda comes in.Many that have seen and experienced them will attest that they have seen and even interacted by these hybrids.Human women have claimed to have been impregnated and then have their babies disappear from their wombs.Some men have also claimed to have had sexual relations with these creatures,and sired children.Are they all liars?It would be conforting to tell oneself that but I don't think so.In addition to modern stories of aliens where do you think storys of ancient centaurs,satyrs,fauns,cyclops,the titans etc and other assorted monstrocities came from?Think people were just making them up with vivid imaginations?Once again wishful thinking.

And lastly is the scripture that you guys have been using time and time again,yet has the most glaring flaw of all.

Yes in Matthew 22:30 Jesus states that at the resurectrion we shall become as the ANGELS OF HEAVEN,not marrying or giving in marriage.
Keyword..THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN!In other words the ones that have remained faithful to God and kept their first estate.

You far too quickly assume that just because the angels in heaven WON'T breed with humans (because it is a sin) means that in fact they COULDN'T were they out of the will of God.It would be the mixing of strange and foreign flesh that God Abhors.

The fallen angels however are not bound by such restrictions,as they do anything and everything they can to oppose God.This could as well mean giving into lust through sin,and procreating with strange flesh.Fallen angels have been tempting mankind with every sin in existence for thousands of years now.They no longer bear any similarity to their non fallen brethren.

Anonymous said...

Just stumbled upon this thread, but here's my 2 cents:

An etymological look at the root word (and overall phrase/context) used in Gen 6:1-4 DOES lead to the conclusion that the "sons of God" are "angelic beings", who were guilty of going against God in piercing the firmament God had as a separation between earth & heaven, and yes, they then married and mated with women.

That's an "icky" kind of thought leading us to "how did angels mate with people???" kind of unanswerable questions, yet this is what Gen 6:1-4 is stating. The "sons of God" being the Sethite descedants is an incorrect interpretation but 1 which is not fundamental to the gospel & 1 which many studied Theologians get wrong.

Another important note is that this occurred in the antediluvian (pre-flood) period, and was likely one of the many reasons why God wiped out all of humanity (including the offspring of this unholy union) except for Noah and those on the Ark.

Anonymous said...

My brother, you are in grave error.
Though I agree with many of your other posts regarding many of the false teachers out there, however you are now stepping into the realm of spreading false doctrine by saying that the Nephilim issue is non-Biblical.
You have also not responded to any of the more direct verses pointed out to you that completely contradict your argument.
You are attacking the book of Enoch and ignoring the Bible verses which clearly point to the truth.
As for the Book of Enoch, everyone here knows it's not part of the canon(that's fine its not essential) but you seem to write it off completely without adequate study.Unlike the other non-canonical books out there, it is worth taking a look at, look at the dates of the manuscript the prophecies included in it, then cross reference it against the New Testament and Old(especially the terminology used). Not to mention that it is quoted in the book of Jude.
I will pray for you as you really seem like a genuine brother who is seeking the truth in world full of lies.
Your Brother

Anonymous said...


Here is a link to my completed argument regarding, “Are The Sons of God Created Angels & Does Satan Still Have Limited Access To Heaven.”


Truthdigger said...

Jer 31:27 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

Gen_49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

Anonymous said...

One verse that helped me grapple with this nephilim theory is Luke 24:39- spirits don't have bodies according to Jesus. Angels are spirits, therefore, angels don't have bodies even if when we look at them we think they do. Touch them and you will see that there is nothing there. How can something without a body father children?

Anonymous said...

I have read Cathy Burns book and it is very good.

Could these "giants" have simply been taller humans?

Kent Hovind has covered much on this, pre-Flood. He states that there was much more oxygen pre the FLood and that this is why we had bigger reptiles (dinosaurs).

I think his theories are very interesting and Scripturally sound from what I can gather.

John, UK

Anonymous said...

The nephilim are indeed real. If they were not, then the theme of he bible, anmely the challenge of God's sovereingty and the subsequent vindication of God's soveriegnty and sanctification of His name would be wrong. Satan used the Nephilim to try and stop the fulfillment of Genesis 3:1-5. His seed was trying to multiply and make it impossible for God's"seed" to be acceptable. SUbsequent to that he then tryied to wipe out Isreal when he new Abraham would be part of the line of the seed by getting Pharoah to kill every firstborn, repeated by Herod by measn of the 3 Magi by means of Satanic divination to Jesus so they coudl tell Herod.

Now we see allegories of the nephilim in the form of sci-fi and vampire based entertainment. It all serves to make the reality even more unbeleiveable which suits Satan who keeps transforming himself into angel of light. Soon though he will be destroyed, but not before the great tribulation and Armageddon which will get rid of his corrupt and blood guilty empire of false religion and political system of things. Jehovah's Kingdom will crush and put and to these Kingdoms Dan 2:44.

Anonymous said...

Over 100 Hebrew scholars wrote the Strong's Hebrew Concordance.
Strong's #119: 'adam (pronounced aw-dam'). to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy.
The serpent/nachash was more "SUBTLE" than any beast of the field/chay kiy'erets the LORD had made.
(((The septuagint has rendered it, "by phronimootatos, the wisest of any beast of the field"))). Of all the Beast of the Field the serpent was the wisest of them all. Think about the curse that was placed on nachash. If the serpent was a snake then snakes are already "on their bellies".
In tracing this word down through scriptures, it is important to note that the Bible speaks of both quadruped (four-footed) beast and biped (two-legged) beasts. If you have failed to distinguish between beasts (quadruped) and beasts (biped) in the Holy Bible, you have missed a great deal of truth. We are concerned with the Hebrew word CHAYAH, which means LIVING CREATURE.
What kind of a beast do you know that wears clothing (sack-cloth) as we read in Jonah 3:8?
What kind of a beast has hands as reported in Exodus 19:13?
What type of beast is capable of mixing or "sowing" his seed with the "seed of Adam" as described in Jeremiah 31:27?
What kind of a male beast could a woman lust after and "lie down thereto" and cause God to have them executed in righteous judgment? Leviticus 20:16 4-legged beast stand up when mating, they do not lie down.
What kind of a female beast could a man lust after and cause a penalty of death to be decreed by God? Leviticus 20:15
What kind of a beast "cries mightily unto God" in Jonah 3:8-10?
What kind of a beast would have "eyes full of adultery", as recorded in 2 Peter 2:12-14? What kind of beast loves to riot in the daytime? 2 Peter 2:12-14
What kind of a beast can talk or speak? 2 Peter 2:12
Was Joel speaking of a “beast” or field hand in Joel 2:22?
The Nephilim were not necessarily all giants.The bible links polydactyly with these nephilim that returned after the flood also. My belief is there was an attempt to contaminate the adamite seed to prevent the Messiah from being born (the one who will crush satan's head). Like a lamb for paschal sacrifice that lamb had to be pure and without blemish. For all flesh had corrupted it's way upon the earth. The flood had to be about Noah and his family being the last few uncontaminated adamites left on earth to repopulate the new world with pure adamites for the future Messiah to be born. If the flood was only about killing sinners then we know Noah was a sinner too. God would look like a retard with no foreknowledge that the world would just repopulate full of sinners again like we have today. Why even bother? But if there was a deliberate attempt to contaminate adamites to prevent Jesus from being born then the flood makes MUCH MORE sense. Search youtube for the video titled ( UFO's The Hidden Truth Part 8 of 8 ) to hear him out. I believe the story of the bible the way he puts it. Another video is called ( The Beast of the Field by Alan Campbell ). Believers in my opinion only want to hear the tickle my ears scriptures about love, joy, pretty flowers and peace. That's okay but most of the bible is about curses, killing and many harsh sayings, like most will go to hell while very few follow the narrow path to heaven. Very harsh indeed.

Anonymous said...

Ok about the "are the nephilim angels" question. The answer is yes nephilim means fallen ones lucifer was a angel and he was cast out of heaven with 1/3 of Gods angels
which is why they are called the fallen ones nephilim. Angels and spirits can mate with women remember when Mary got pregnant ? They were not allowed to marry but however they were fallen already and rebelled against God so they were no longer angels they became demons evil spirits the Nephilim

Erick Galicia said...

Jude and Peter give us the answer. They mention the Angels that sinned. They abandoned their habitation. The Greek word is oiketerion. It means abode, habitation or place of dwelling. Gotta read the original language. Kjv isn't enough.

rocky hayes said...

God said angels do not marry. That is the way it was meant, but as we clearly see in scripture, angels don't always do what God commands. They ate with lot and even jesus ate at his resurrection. The bible has over 20 verses that describe the nephilim, including Isaiah 26:14 which states that when they die they become demons. There is a big difference between fallen angels and demons, just ask an exorcism.

rocky hayes said...

Isaiah 26:14 says that when the nephilim die they become demons. Jesus said angels do not marry, but scripture clearly shows we are here because angels don't always do as there told. They can eat with lot, you can be talking to them and not know it. Fallen angels and demons are not the same...demons are there 2 Peter and see what happened to those angels who sinned with women during the time of Noah. Jesus said our time would be the same. Noah was" pure" in his generations, and preacher of righteousness. He was not tainted. Goliath was evil, if he, like Cain, would of asked God to forgive him, he would have. But like the nephilim before his imagination of his heart was evil continually.

Anonymous said...

It's talking about the angels in heaven don't marry. The fallen angels are still creating hybrids with humans.

Unknown said...

Whoever wrote this has been in clear confusion about nephilim. The fact that you're quoting selective verses and ignore the ones that wholly support the fallen angels theory screams lack of knowledge. You haven't been privy of the matters you're battling to disprove. Nephilim are real according to the Bible, fallen angels did sleep with human women according to the Bible. Yes, I believe it, and I also believe its still happening just like the Bible said. The reason there has been such a massive influx of nephilim theory is because we are in the last days! Just like Noah's days, Jesus the Messiah predicted it in the Gospels, now its here. Just because nephilim theory is going wild in the Christian body doesn't mean its a deception, rather, its the TRUTH behind the ALIEN propaganda, it exposes it, not support it. And no theologian you've mentioned believe that nephilim is now living on other planets, they believe nephilim are still on earth just another dimension and they were the ones to whom God revealed that Aliens are not really from outer space but they are the demons and powers of darkness disguising themselves as benevolent space brothers. Your argument sounds supportive of that deception. You might really be from a cult.

Jamiel Brown said...

I agree with Unknown...

Guys you have the wrong method and are being very fleshy.

The things of the spirit are folly to the flesh.

You are trying to understand a spiritual topic with a carnal mind.

Listen, the one who hold our faith in Jesus Christ walked on water, transrelocated, and did so many other things that can only be spiritual in nature. You did not do your in depth study, what about the women who mated with the fallen angels and became sirens???? Uh-oh! The same sirens from Greek mythology?! Yes, know why because the mighty men of renown are aare all the demi gods you see and hear of throughout time. Same gods, different locations, different names.

You guys are acting like children. Next thing you will say that it's blasphemy to know that you are God on this earth!

What you think Jesus came here for? To show us how to live Holy and then obtain the full mind of Christ which is available to all.


You will confuse those who don't know

riker said...

Since we are all part fallen angel this a mute point, when Jesus says even though yet you were my enemy I saved you, who's the enemy of god, satan and the fallen angels, since were in Galatians blog, a little leaven ruin the whole loaf, we were born in Inquity when our mother conceived us, you think that evil thought you have from time to time is really you, the true meaning of born again of incorruptible seed cause everyone on the planet is wheat and the weeds sheep and the goats kingdom divided

rory said...

Do Angels Marry?
Let’s test (from scripture) angels marrying humans.
Genesis 6 (ASV)
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with *mankind.. *(i.e. Adam. H1204. mankind…)
The *Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown. (* H5307; properly, a feller, a bully or tyrant: - giant.) 5 And The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth
There are two critical points to our test:
1. Does scripture specifically say that angels married human wives?
2. Does any scripture ever specifically define “sons of God” as angels or men?
The trouble usually begins with that phrase in Genesis 6:4, “sons of God”; -who are those “sons of God”? Were they angels or were they men? The phrase “they took them WIVES” is very important.
Let’s test: Normally men and women either marry, co-habitate, or have short term sexual encounters. These categories are all found in the scriptures. Solomon had many “wives” and “*concubines” (*co-habits and kept as an un-married sexual partner, but not given the recognition of a wife).
Jesus spoke of men in the resurrection in Matthew 22:29 Jesus said to them, You err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30) For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven.
-Men who achieve the resurrection do not marry, have sexual union, or make babies, because they “are as angels in heaven”. Angels are never described as having the capability of marriage either before or after the resurrection, and of course angels do not partake of the resurrection.

1. is it specifically written anywhere in scripture that angels in heaven married other angels or humans?
2. Are any of the specific angels mentioned in scripture ever called or named “sons of God”?
3. Is there ANY scripture where an angel refers to himself as “a son of God”?
The answer to those three questions is a simple “NO”.
If something is not expressly stated, then is that presumption? So we ask,
4. In scripture do angels ever have “concubines” for sexual reproduction?
Scripture says there must be two or three witnesses and we are told to “prove all things”.
Therefore to “prove” angels married human wives, we will seek additional direct proof.

Again, Jesus spoke of angels and sons of God in Luke 20
34) and Jesus said unto them, The sons of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35) but they that are accounted worthy to attain to that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36) for neither can they die any more: as they are *equal to the angels; and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. *2465 equal to the angels”: “like an angel, that is, angelic”, similar to angels.

If you are in the resurrection and cannot marry or be given in marriage and are “like an angel”, where are the angels getting married and having children spoken of?
It would appear that to say fallen angels married human wives would contradict what Jesus said about them.
If an angelic spirit being can procreate with humans as they are equal, can the spirit bodies of the dead do likewise, being “equal”? Again we find no evidence in scripture for that either.

Anonymous said...

Fleshy aliens are CNP lies promoted by people like Steve Quayle and Chuck Missler. The council of national policy wrote that script.

The truth is :

Anonymous said...

I read SCRIPTURE not the book of enoch! Genesis CH 6 notice it is in CH 6 The sons of GOD looked down on the daughters of men (AWDAM) and saw that they were FAIR or Beautiful and came down and married all they chose and GIANTS were born unto them the mighty MEN of OLD and RENOWN! Renown for what? Their WICKEDNESS THEIR MURDERS AND CANNIBALISMS! The heroes from Greek mythology ect. They have found a ton of GIANT skeletons all over the earth and they usually but not always have 6 fingers on both hands and 6 toes on both feet and double dentition or two rows of teeth. If you have a brain in your head you know darn well what this is about! They just found a GIANT buried in a boat like coffin in of all places the TARIM BASIN of Pamir. Gee isn't that the only place on earth where the four rivers come to a head? And is not this the place land er'etz where the flood of Noah's day was? This Nephilium was taller than YAO the 7.5 Basketball player and was european looking blonde hair. Thereare many others like the ones in the indian mounds ect. If this was all phony bolonga than why does the smithsonian museum make them dissapear?

Anonymous said...

ok i too am of the mind that if if its not in scripture then ignore the foolishness...BUT as this site goes into detail that it is stated over and over again in many verses that the angels DID commit the ultimate sin of "sexual immorality" with mortal women. If it did not occur than how can this verse be true?

"and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: he shall bruise [crush—NIV] thy head, and thou shalt bruise [strike—NIV] his heel.”
genesis 3:15

IF the "sons of god" a.k.a in hebrew="bənê hāʼĕlōhîm" CANNOT commit "folly" which in every verse it appears = sexual immorality which means they produced offspring or more accurately "seed" than how can the above verse be true which is the VERY FIRST verse in bible predicting that Jesus (by the seed of eve) would conquer satan (and his seed)?

It can ONLY BE TRUE if the serpent can have a seed and cause this trouble (abomination) in the first place. The verse itself declares satan WILL have a seed or "offspring" aka the anti-christ which her "seed" a.k.a. "Jesus" will destroy.

So all the verses in the bible referencing this abomination such as:

Jude 7
-Genesis 19:1-11

ONCE AGAIN it mentions "strange flesh" specifically..

CLEARLY define this abominable sin as being sexual/physical concerning "strange flesh" meaning not of their kind. and again referenced the abominable desire in Sodom and Gomorra when the angels came to bring Lot out of the city before it was destroyed:

concerning the angels who came to Sodom and Gomorrah for LOT

These were not human men, but angels.
The men were not trying to have “friendly gay sex” with the angels, but gang rape them.
This was written in the book of Genesis two books BEFORE the written code of Biblical laws that appear to condemn homosexuality as a sin.
The story of the men of Sodom happened AFTER God already had the idea to destroy the city.


I do however agree that the massive focus and writings concerning nephilim/aliens is confusing and scary and disturbing and in some way must be part of the end-times delusion. Whether the idea of these UFOS/aliens/nephilims return etc... is a stumbling block/deception to christians and the elect I am still undecided but do think "something very wierd" is manifesting in our day and time. My best attempt at resolving this in my mind is that considering satan was once favored by God and witnessed our creation and has knowledge far beyond our comprehention that someway somehow kinda like an onion skin reveals layers after layers to the core that the UFO/ALIEN/NEPHILIM phenomenon whether REAL or MANUFACTURED to decieve must be a major part of the end-times deception and maybe like a lie within a truth within an enigma. Satan will always mix a large percentage of truth within his lies and deceptions in order to sway and decieve as many as possible.

We should just focus on Jesus and have faith in Gods plan and that he will be true and protect us from the worst of this ridiculous mess the devil has made of this world.

Anonymous said...

Everyone's passion for protecting the truth is admirable, but God doesn't need defending. He is quite capable of defending Himself.

We all know that in the last days there will be a great deception that may deceive even the elect. We also know that our enemy has the ability to perform signs and wonders which need our discernment. His agenda has always been to thwart the coming of Jesus and his methods have always been to corrupt or destroy the bloodline.

Have you ever thought what that great deception could be, that would also sway the saints?

We know there are differing heavens ruled by principalities and powers. God in His wisdom has hidden these things from our daily sight, but they are no less real.

We love and serve a God of the supernatural and His church are supposed to be the "go-to people" on this topic; yet we end up succumbing to the enemy's tactics by fighting among ourselves. This is no help to a world searching for answers.

There are many topics that aren't very palatable or easy to understand, that's why we were given the Holy Spirit to guide us - if we were capable of working everything out for ourselves, then He would have no purpose.

The Devil is the father of lies and deft at sowing a lie among truth. Our job is to sift out the real truth in light of God's word and with the discernment of His Spirit. We should therefore NOT expect everything to have clear cut answers.

Eastern cultures struggle less with the concepts of the supernatural, but unfortunately, they try to appease all their gods. Western cultures like proof and supposed facts (which they then adapt to suit the changing circumstances).

God is the same yesterday, today and forever - He chose us as broken vessels and redeemed us to be His ambassadors. What an awesome privilege and daunting responsibility.

Time for us to unite together under Him and search out the truth without condemnation.

God's ways are often weirder than we could have ever imagine; yet more exciting than any theories of men.

It's good to ask Him our tough questions - He's a big enough God to handle it.

Are we big enough to hear and accept His answers ...???

AW said...

Anon 8:00 PM, have you been listening to Mike Hoggard? You are quite mistaken about 'folly' only refering to sexual immorality. Here are 2 examples:

"Let not my lord, I pray thee, regard this man of Belial, even Nabal: for as his name is, so is he; Nabal is his name, and folly [H5039] is with him: but I thine handmaid saw not the young men of my lord, whom thou didst send." - 1 Sam 25:25 (Abigail speaking to David]

"Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly[H5039], in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job." - Job 42:8 (GOD speaking to Job's friends)

See also Isa 9:17 and Isa 32:6. Be careful in your zeal to support your beliefs that you do not twist scripture.

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Anon 2:03 AM, your words sound very smooth but they also quite the word salad. Nothing in your comment or even what you are supposedly exhorting Christians to do focuses on the simple truth of the gospel - salvation by faith in Jesus' blood shed on the cross for us. He is the author and finisher of the faith of every true Christian.

"Corrupt, bloodlines, hidden, supernatural, eastern cultures, western cultures, unity" blah, blah. None of that has anything to do with the simplicity of Christ, you know, what our minds as Christians aren't supposed to be 'corrupted' or moved away from? Wait, minds can be corrupted?

But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. - 2 Cor 11:3

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There have been numerous comments clearly and biblically refuting this incredibly deceptive doctrine and, of course, even more comments twisting scripture to support it. If the Lord Himself told us angels do not marry, supporters of the Nephilim doctrine say 'oh, that's just good angels in heaven, the bad ones can marry' while yet other Nephilim supporters scoff that marriage isn't needed to procreate (hello, your own supporting verse for your Nephilim teachings says 'wives'). I can only hope that you who believe this Nephilim deception will heed Biblebeliever's admonishment to stop listening to false teachers, and stop wresting the word of God through these distorted lenses, but I think most are past that point.

Real Christians, you will not 'win' this argument because they are not interested in the truth. You need to know, really know, and love the truth for yourself so that you are not shaken from it, either by smooth words, the coming deceptive signs and wonders, or the ultimate persecution this doctrine will cause.

One of the most critical points of all, one that a true Christian should never need reminding of, is that God brought judgment by the flood the first time around, and will bring judgment by fire this time around because of SIN, not 'genetic contamination.' <-- That fact alone ought to clearly and finally reveal the true author of the Nephilim teachings and it is NOT the Lord, who will judge each person for their own sin. The entire Bible is about God's dealings with mankind, His redemption of those who believe in Jesus for their righteousness, and His judgment upon the fullness of wickedness of mankind.

There are no 'unsaveable' humans unless they are reprobates who have finally and completely rejected the conviction of the Holy Spirit. There also aren't non-human/demonic/nephilim in 'man suits' that look human (if you insist on continuing to believe this doctrine, you WILL end up complicit in committing genocide while thinking you are doing God a service). AND YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SAY YOU WEREN'T WARNED! Don't go down that path.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

I forgot to add, Noah pure in his generations is most likely pure spiritually and morally in the generations he lived through. God said that He had seen Noah NOT NOAH AND HIS SONS only Noah righteous in his generation. So if this means genetics thenNoah was the last pure human and we all got nephilim blood.

jennifer alphonso said...

I'm like looking for a list of preachers who preach this nephilm heresy. Do you have one?