Monday, October 25, 2010

"Come out of Her": Revelation 18 Applies to More then Catholicism!

Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

This one may repeat some themes, I've dealt with in other posts. What I am noticing in the evangelical world, is blindness towards their own churches, and the evangelical joining with the beast and globalist system. Some minds seem unable to wrap around the fact it is not just false mainline churches, who have 'fallen away" or the false religions of the world under the Mystery Babylon mantle with Catholicism in the lead.

Trying to warn people that most of the evangelical churches have joined too, is not an easy task. I realize that many people simply are innocently ignorant of things like the Lausanne Covenant or how many evangelical leaders are schmoozing with new world order politicians, and leaders behind the scenes. Some may really end up leaving out of the Roman Catholic church, Mormonism, Jehovah Witnesses or any other false religion but then STOP in their tracks, when it comes to the Bible and examining the teachings and actions of their evangelical church or leadership.. Some almost seem to think once they have said that "sinner's prayer" and they are around those who pronounce that they are "born again" that they are done and there is no more deception.

As I have said before, some people are in different places, and still being shown things by the Holy Spirit, but have a teachable spirit, with such types, we should pray for them, and warn, tell them what we can. But then there are those who cling to the evangelical church the same way they did their former cult, somehow replicating the same exact behaviors, [not testing teachers according to scripture, preaching that leaving a church is great sin-it's very ironic when ex-Catholics come up with this one, or even more oddly praising creeds and judgements of "Christian orthodoxy" according to Rome's early church fathers]. One would think that given their freedom from whatever cult they left, they would not get back to the same path only this time under a different label.

For those who have stopped in their tracks, some of whom may never have been born again, the evangelical church, while they may admit a few faults, is seen as outside the realm of the cults, and "Mystery Babylon". They do not understand Christians like myself who warn and say "Look with the evangelical churches, many have joined with the beast system as well, they have embraced the same globalist teachings, the same neo-environmentalism, false spirituality, Dominion sm and things inherited from Rome." Many simply cannot conceive of such a thing. Their eyes remain spiritually blinded still seeing Jesus Christ's church as a set of buildings, human organizations and global pursuits instead of the ekklesia 'called out ones" in the Greek [the true church of Jesus Christ]. Now there are saved people in some of these church buildings, but many need to rethink their definition of "church" and what the true church is.
The real church of Jesus Christ, is not the one being awarded a place in the world, celebrated by politicians, nations and loved, they are hated as Jesus warned Christians:

Jhn 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before [it hated] you.

In other words if your church pastor is being celebrated on magazine covers and invited to the White House or to be a member of the Knights of Malta, or any number of secret and not so secret societies maybe consider if you are being taught truly biblical things?

1Cr 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

When talking to such types, they will agree with you about many things, about the false religions, about some of the errors in the Roman Catholic church, but there is a special blindness that is there when it comes to the evangelical church. But here are the facts, the evangelical church is "fornicating with the kings" just as much. While I do not trust Rense on everything, this article exposing the endless links of evangelical leaders to the powerful, helped to wake me up: The Unholy Alliance: Christianity and the NWO. Reading the book "The Family: The Secret Fundamentalist at the Heart of American Power". will tell you even as a secular book, about how the halls of power and false evangelicalism have married together to deceive people.

Some seem to think deception is impossible in the evangelical churches, and while some of these folks will discern lies and discrepancies in other religions, they seem to ignore their evangelical camp. An odd hypocrisy arises, where they condemn the power pursuits of the Pope and obvious false religionists and they excuse these things in their own camp.

If your church is inviting prime ministers of nations to come do speeches at its pulpits, politicians galore, and joining with new world order endeavors, then maybe its time to ask yourself, what your church is up to on a national scale? Let me rephrase this, if a constant parade of politicians and world power brokers are making the rounds at your church, [even if not at the local but the national scale] take a second look.

Here are some examples:

Benjamin Netanyahu [who also by the way visited with the Pope too, and called on his "moral authority" to rebuke Iran ] speaks at at a Calvary Chapel church in Ft. Lauderdale. It is known that Israeli prime ministers meet with the Pope quite often with even Peres holding a recent meeting.

But this is just one example...we see the parades of kings and bowing before power of many evangelical churches and leaders. Lets not forget the time, that Bush told James Robinson, that "God chose him to lead this nation".

There are many more...The days continue where now the right side of the new world order divide--the Republican party sells itself as "God's party"; I have already posted on the growth of Dominionism several times taking over the churches as well.

Too many do not seem to be able to conceive that many evangelical churches are in the harlot now, and joining it as we speak with wolves in the pulpits. Just because a guy knows the Bible and can remember verses, does not mean he is preaching the truth! Examine for yourself the relationship your church or favorite preachers have with the world. Does the world love them? Are they are part of its political organizations, being lauded by the powerful and elite of this world? If so, take a moment and ask Why?

There is a counterfeit "Christianity", preaching conformity to the world that serves the powers of this world instead of God and it goes beyond the OBVIOUS culprits and much of it is wearing an evangelical mask. Many seem to not be able to conceive of this, they actually seem flabbergasted, how could most of the evangelical world be false too? Well wake up, it is. Jesus Christ asked "..shall he find faith on earth"? for a reason.

2Sa 15:12 And Absalom sent for Ahithophel the Gilonite, David's counsellor, from his city, [even] from Giloh, while he offered sacrifices. And the conspiracy was strong; for the people increased continually with Absalom.


Anders Branderud said...

You wrote: " upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord”

[To differentiate,]The historical Messiah was a Ribi named Yehoshua.

His authentic teachings were written down by his apprentice student Matityahu and were later redacted into the “gospel of Matthew”. In his true teachings one finds that he taught – just that which is written in the Tank’’h – that humankind is required to do their utmost to keep the directives of Torah non-selectively.

Furthermore, the historical Ribi Yehoshua – ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah) was not an “incarnate man-god”. He taught his followers to have the Creator as their Lord, not “Jesus”. All statements proved in the website of

Relating to the Creator exactly in the same way Ribi Yehoshua did – i.e. observing the Creators directives in the Torah – leads oneself into an intimate relationship with the Creator, which is very meaningful!

Anders Branderud

Bible Believer said...

Thanks for sharing your beliefs here, but we definitely do not agree on some things.

Let's deal with this one:

"Furthermore, the historical Ribi Yehoshua – ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah) was not an “incarnate man-god”. He taught his followers to have the Creator as their Lord, not “Jesus”.

Does this mean your Netzarim group does NOT believe that Jesus is God?

For me this is a foundational problem, because Jesus Christ is God. There are many groups that deny this from the Jehovah Witnesses to Ruckmanites to Oneness Pentecostals.

There are many verses that say Jesus is God in the Bible.

John 8:58 "I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

John 1:14, Colossians 1-15-17.

Isaiah 9:6

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Honestly those who reject Jesus as God, are in the same place I was a Unitarian Universalist, they too reject Jesus as God, and for those who admitted he even exsisted, just saw him as a "good moral teacher"

A second thing you state is "humankind is required to do their utmost to keep the directives of Torah non-selectively".

Where does the NT say we are under the law still? Where is the gospel of grace in that message?

Romans 6:14.

The rejection of Jesus as God though to me is the most disturbing thing and on this one alone I cannot agree with your group.

ElderChild said...

The"reformation" was an aptly named time! For it was a time when "catholicism" birthed her harlot "christian" daughters ;-(

Her "christian" daughters are of her substance ;-( She merely "reformed" her substance so that her "christian" daughters might appear a bit differently outwardly, yet inwardly they remained liken unto their pagan harlot mother ;-(

"christianity" is but the byproduct of the fornicative relationship pagan "catholicism" has always had with "the god of this world", he who is "the father of lies", he who is "the angel of light", "d"evil spirit that rules over this wicked world ;-(

All religious systems, muslin, jewish, buddhist, catholic, christian ,,etc,, are anti-messiah!

Religious systems of this world, all alike they are,
Those they clone have fought, killed and died, both near and far ;-(

And then once a week, or multiple times a day they may pray,
Yet as hypocrites they begin each new day ;-(

Days that are filled with deceit and lies,
For in a religious system Truth can not abide ;-(

And so the fruit of death is born of religion's way,
Because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play ;-(

"Come Our of her, MY people"!

Simply, Faith will not create a system of religion!

The Messiah testified of a "wicked world", and of His disciples being "in, not of, this world".

John exhorted those who believed "to love not the world or it's things" for "the WHOLE(not just a portion) world is under the control of the evil one"!

And James testified, "whoever is a friend of this world is the enemy of G-D(Father, Great Spirit, Creator,,)"!

"Come Out of her, MY people"!

And "the god of this world", "the father of lies", "d"evil, is the author of all religious systems and has his way with those who are "of this world" because they follow their own "vain "imag"inations" ;-(

And so it is that mankind's "imag"ination is destroying Creation(air, water, land, vegetation, creatures)and perverting that which is Spirit(Truth, Light, Love, Peace, Grace, Mercy,,,, ALL that is Truly GOOD") ;-(

Yet those who "see" The Light have a living, lively Hope of Heaven!

So they remain but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth" for their "citizenship(Life) is in Heaven"!

Father Help! and HE does.......

kaask said...

When Bush said that God appointed him to lead this country, he was correct, because God says in Romans 13:1 "Every person must be subject to the governing authorities, for no authority exists except by God's permission. The existing authorities have been established by God" OK, so God even put Obama in the WH for a 2nd term, why? Because God is judging the USA and God will use Obama to bring it to its knees, or destroy it if it's citizens continue to rebel against the Almighty. It is my personal opinion that this world should have been stamped flat by God years ago, so thank God he is "slow to anger" and is merciful...but it won't last forever!!

elderchild said...

"The WHOLE(not just a portion) world is under the control of the evil one"! (1John5:19)

And this place they call the u.s. of a. is the primary playground and command center for "the god of this world", he who is "the father of lies"!

And simply all religions abide in The LIE.......

Yet because of pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters "The Way of Truth is evil spoken of"!

Simply, religion IS anti-messiah.......

Father Help! and HE does.......

Scott Crocker said...

No, the verse only refers to the Catholic Church ..

For instance, Joel Osteen's church is not located in 'the City of Seven Hills' - that's the Vatican ..

I wish unread Christians would quit trying to interpret Scripture ..

This is what happen when you people beat up on real pastors and their families and try to do it yourselves.

Bible Believer said...

Joel Osteen is a real pastor?

The guy who sees Oprah as a fellow Christian?

Fox Mcloud said...

Google search Protestantism refuted by Scripture. Vatican City is a separate city from Rome & separate from Italy.