Saturday, July 17, 2010

Part One: Deception Using Judaism: Titus 1:4- Jewish Fables



Titus 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.


One huge heresy sweeping the churches, is Hebrew Roots or Hebrew Roots influenced teachings, that combine Jewish traditions [that have no biblical standing] with Christianity, to make one big stew pot of confusion. From Lew White, to the Nazarites, to many others: some of which are preaching openly a return to Torah law instead adhering to the gospel of grace, there have been troubling developments.

Before I get started on this one, I do believe the Jews were God's chosen people, that many Messianics who adhere to the gospel of grace are fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, and subscribe to this verse:

Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

This verse also points to Jesus Christ in that Jesus was a Jew and we are all blessed by Him. The world has oppressed the Jewish people for centuries: the Holocaust was basically an updated Inquisition done by Rome. This is why, I do not trust any secular govt entity when it comes to Jewish people, betrayal always looms on the horizon, as persecution of Jews and Bible Christians has occurred over and over through out history.

I do not subscribe to the false teachings by the Catholic church and others, that the Jews are saved under the first covenant so no evangelism is necessary for them. I believe they need Jesus Christ as much as I did when I was born again. This is something that the Pope and Catholic bishops on down to John Hagee has taught.

John Hagee [see at link] in fact preached this:

"I'm not trying to convert the Jewish people to the Christian faith... In fact, trying to convert Jews is a waste of time. Jews already have a covenant with God and that has never been replaced by Christianity." (Houston Chronicle, April 30, 1988, sec, 6, pg. 1).
Life gets even weirder, when some people tell you books of the Bible do not apply to you based on your DNA, or when American people of European ancestry who were raised Catholic start calling you "Goyim" as a result of some of these false teachers. In my case, Jewish blood is actually negotiable considering the history of a great-grandmother:I simply do not know either way but it should not matter: the scary thing is how many think it should matter. While many of the Jewish claims of ancestry are true, some of these groups have people who never were raised Jewish or grew up not knowing anything Jewish, claiming oddly making new claims for "being a Jew". There is a lot to appreciate about Jewish culture and Praise God for every Jewish person who has accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior but the focus on racial history or recreating one is a bit worrisome. This verse is shunted aside:

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

One thing people do seem to forget is much of what is called "Jewish", it does not mean it comes straight from the Torah or Old Testament, or that it even has anything to do with the Judaism that formed the root of Christianity. Talmudic Judaism is another creation altogether, that developed through centuries, adding many traditions, legends and rabbinical teachings and much of this same for other false religions of the world that reject the Lordship of Christ adding in Babylonian Mysteries and the same things that have infused Catholicism as well. Talmud writings do deny Jesus Christ same as the Koran and writings of other false religions: [research this for yourself]

"The Editio Princeps of the complete Code of Talmudic Law, Maimonides' Mishneh Torah -- replete not only with the most offensive precepts against all Gentiles but also with explicit attacks on Christianity and on Jesus, after whose name the author adds piously, 'May the name of the wicked perish'... Dr. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21

Christians who want to explore the Jewish roots of the Christian faith; which can be a very interesting and enlightening experience such as studying the prophecies in the Old Testament that point to Jesus need to be careful. Where things go wrong, is when outside traditions without scriptural backup, and other things that were developed in the past are brought in as gospel "truth" and added to God's Word. If someone is mindful of non-biblical Catholic traditions, and came out of that false church or any other, they need to remember that false traditions can come from all sorts of places. Adding to God's Word, Psalm 30:6 leads down a false path.

to be continued:

10 comments:

Lisa Ruby said...

Mysticism is never ok. Excellent article!

Also, thank you very much for warning about John Hagee. Why are Christians paying him to send Jews to hell?


John Hagee [see at link] in fact preached this:

"I'm not trying to convert the Jewish people to the Christian faith... In fact, trying to convert Jews is a waste of time. Jews already have a covenant with God and that has never been replaced by Christianity." (Houston Chronicle, April 30, 1988, sec, 6, pg. 1).

Bible Believer said...

Thank you Lisa. The sad thing with Hagee, is he is following in the Pope's footsteps and has many compatriots that are teaching the same falsehoods. Where they basically ignore this verse:

Romans 1:16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

believer in Messiah said...

Too bad that blogger so-called Bible Believer doesn't know her Bible or believe it either!

Roman Catholic/UU socialist dummy.

MIDRASH is a term USED IN THE HEBREW TENAKH!

People like you who don't do their homework should be ashamed of themselves because IT IS THERE and even in principle it is discerned by the context of God's Word.

believer in Messiah said...

Oh and by the way, Midrash is NEVER used to formulate DOCTRINE.

Perhaps you should find out WHY Mr. Prasch and others like him DENOUNCE Talmudic Judaism. IF you knew that, you would not have opened this blog and you would repent of the slander leveled against others.

Bible Believer said...

Why are you calling me a Catholic and UU when I have left those churches, renounce them and now expose their falsehoods? Very odd. That is not a fair way to argue. I'd rather leave comments up even one's that you disagree with but try and avoid personal attacks.

So what if "midrash" [darash] the word is in the Bible, translated to "sayings", "stories", "study" ["treastise and annotations even in other Bible versions]: this doesnt excuse mystical abuse of the Bible. This doesn't excuse following after false traditions for "truth" [or seeking to find multiple layered meanings in scripture]. Why on earth would any Christian teach others to seek meaning in the Bible via unscriptural sources. Even Prasch's seeming love of Hillel is odd, because what is known about Hillel does not come from scripture but Talmudic writings. Suppose it did not surprise me that the Hillel is said to come from Babylon. Why would Prasch refer people to the Pharisees? The same men Jesus warned about and called "generation of vipers" in Matthew 3:7? Can you please explain that?

And what is this stuff about Midrash not being used to "formulate doctrines"? That seems to be hedging bets {ie: Prasch and others know it is not dependable enough for doctrine}

Which goes against THIS VERSE: [notice the phrase FOR DOCTRINE]

2Tim 3:16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

As for Prasch's denouncement of the Talmudic Judaism: his promotion of Talmudic rabbinical writings and literature, speak against that. Even this article seems to have some odd double-messages in it.

"I hate rabbinic Judaism, which is not the Judaism of Moses"

But then the whole article is full of rabbinical Judaism with legend based info about Hillel.

http://www.moriel.org/articles/israel/jesus_in_the_talmud.htm

Things get even odder with this statement:

"I love the Talmud – it illustrates so clearly the old joke, "If you have two Jews, you have three opinions".

As I said in Part 2: when Prasch writes things like:

"It takes the wisdom of the ancients to really understand these things."

That is a giant red flag.

Bible Believer said...

Believer in Messiah, I wanted you to see part of my response to Dan, on the other entry:

So when Prasch tells us:

"“The clearest set of guidelines in Midrash are the Seven Midroth attributed to RABBI HILLEL, the founder of the Pharisaic School of Hillel"

I remember this Bible verse; where Jesus warns about the leaven of the Pharisees.

Matt 16:6Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Prasch's referring Christians to a Pharisee for insight on the BIble [and inversely Talmudic writings because that is where he is getting his information on Hillel.]

Is very deeply concerning.

Praying for you BelieverinMessiah.

believer in Messiah said...

You obviously don't want to understand Midrash or the FACT that it is NOT mysticism by any stretch of the imagination.

What do you not get about teaching Scripture from the patterns God set out in His Word to show us how HE works through the ages?

Do you not believe that Scripture was given for our learning and benefit, so we don't make the same mistakes Israel and Judah made?

And do you not realize that the so-called church is making the exact same mistakes Israel and Judah made today, and we can look back and apply the lessons from those days to our current day.

That is what Midrash is all about. Prophecy is pattern and pattern is prophecy.

It is preterists that reject the full council of God's Word and HIS prescribed ways of teaching His Word including Midrash. But then who ever expected a Gentile Preterist to understand the Jewish mind anyway.

In fact if you go and read the Gospels, especially Matthew or Paul's Epistles, like Romans, Galatians and Hebrews you will see Midrash teaching. If you read the Revelation of Jesus Christ, you will see that John used Midrash. IF you read Peter's epistles you will see that Peter used Midrash.

BUT YOU DON'T BUILD DOCTRINE FROM MIDRASH.

Bible Believer said...

What is there to understand about Midrash, one thing about the teachings of false religion is some of them are kept so nebulous as to be barely defined in any rigorous way, I believe this is on purpose. The New Age movement alone is an example of where nebulous hard to define concepts of confusion are unloaded on people. Even in these discussions, no one has really proved a "pure form of Midrash". I'm sorry but there it sits. This too also is away from the simplicity of the gospel.

I haven't seen any proof that the apostles or Jesus Christ used Midrash, [except the odd conjecture of the word [said to be mistranslated] supposely appearing twice in the Bible:] some of you seem to even unable to barely define what it is, the fact it is not to be used to "build doctrine" shows to me that some seem to be hedging bets. {but even your teachers would probably have to admit there is a "hole" in their Midrash teachings, that is, using outside sources to interpret scripture, such as Talmudic writings telling us about Hillel and the "techniques of Midrash" is probably a bad idea. This odd declaration "BUT YOU DON'T BUILD DOCTRINE FROM MIDRASH" to be honest tells me Midrash is not dependable. One can see patterns in God's Word and interpret it {scripture interprets scripture} without these outside flights of fancy. We do not need outside non-scriptural sources to understand the parables of Jesus, etc. [YES Old Testament [Torah] writings do help interpret them] Odd that people keep saying I am a Ruckmanite {I believe that Ruckman is a false teacher, having said so} and Preterist? Why on earth would a Preterist warn of end time deceptions on a blog since Preterists believe that Revelation has already "happened". I hold the Pre-Wrath position, preterists would have no concern about a "one world religion".

Please give me one example of Midrash, in the gospels you speak of, be specific and tell me the exact verses and your source, that it represents Midrash. Thanks.

clothedandinmyrightmind said...

If one needs to be taught by an unconverted Rabbi as to what Scripture says and means, then something is very wrong. Honestly, if one were to take the Talmud as a whole, one would find the whole extrabiblical concepts as filthy...and the Midrash is part of that "whole". As a matter of fact, using the Midrash technique just getting from point "A" to point "B" in our inspired text would be a fools errand.

Bible Believer said...

I agree, it's looking to unbelievers to direct you spiritually. The Talmud denies Jesus Christ and has false teachings, I agree with about finding it "filthy" and definitely a way to lead someone on a 'fool's errand".