Monday, December 27, 2010

Falsehoods and Falling Away in the Fundamentalist Churches!



Idolatry in the Fundamentalist baptist churches? Things get weird, when fundamentalist pastors like Jack Hyles [now deceased]--who was a big mover and shaker in independent fundamentalist baptist circles, who helped to found the Hyles-Anderson college have statues made of them, and annual ceremonies to celebrate that statue. The weird militaristic characteristics speak for themselves. It seems the warnings about Nebuchadnezzar's statue in the Bible would have been remembered!

This one is going to be hard to write, but I must do it. I do tell people I am a "fundamentalist Christian" this to impart, that I believe the Bible, am for biblical separation and against the ecumenical movement, but the way things are going this may be a loaded term to use. This one may get me in hot water with some, but then I am not one of those people who says one thing to one group and doesn't apply it to ALL. Remember here, I believe there are STILL SOME good fundamentalist churches out there with truly saved preachers doing the work of God, but this is to deal with false trends coming into fundamentalist Christian churches.

I was in a good fundamentalist church, and of course it wasn't perfect as no human institution is but here I shared my positive experience in that church. That said, I am not naive about where the churches as a whole are going, falling away. Satan is going after the fundamentalist ones too, and the network of deceivers that has infused into most churches out there haven't left the fundamentalist churches alone either.

With my own eyes, I have seen bad fundamentalist preachers in the "independent fundamentalist baptist" denomination. No this isn't about speaking or oratory skills, the most humble preacher can show a love of God, but those illustrating fruits of deceit. I used to dread revival week, at my old good church because we would get visiting pastors, some were good, and we had lovely missionaries who would visit and talk about witnessing the gospel but others were who I called "the screamers". They would blast eardrums within a small church room seating 40 people, and red-faced, would literally scare me, a few times, I would sneak out early, not wanting to have my hair fly back or my eardrums explode under the barrage. One of these guys lacked such grace, that he actually insulted a church member who was not there based on a physical characteristic, leading to a dozen person walk-out. Another when asked to give their eardrums some relief refused. The messages were lacking as if loudness could make up for that lack.

Some of the sermons out there, become borderline-abusive. Where is Christian truth or love in this one? This is an example of a pastor that seems to view women just as objects meant to fulfill men: men do not look eternal 20 year olds, but he seems to expect it for the ladies:




Still here things get even worse: This one shows blasphemy against God, and following man over God.




I would walk out out on all these sermons....[sample bad sermons by a higher up the echelons independent fundamentalist preacher] Remember there are many who are like him! There are infiltrators, deceivers and others purposefully using religion as a cover for money-making, control and abuse in the churches out there.


In fact I would encounter an even worse one in real life:

After a move, I would visit a fundamentalist church, on a Wednesday night, and this very pompous arrogant white-haired man, was literally screaming at his church members: "How dare you disobey me!". Some of them looked scared and cowed like they feared a beating to come. Oddly they were all very dressed up for a Wednesday night service, suits and ties for the men and long fancy dresses for the women. As things proceeded, it was like Jim Jones on a "White Night" but fundamentalist style: his berating of church members for disobedience lasted for more then 15 minutes. One point in the sermon, he said it was a sin to disobey any authority, and I still regret not raising my hand and asking, Does that mean I sinned leaving the self proclaimed "authority" of the Catholic church? Watching the floor show for a bit longer with my jaw dropping, things got worse, he began his sermon telling us, that "Touch Not the Lord's Anointed" meant HIMSELF when really those verses deal with Old Testament prophets, who had been killed, and went into a litany [this was during the latter Bush era--2007] that it was a sin to criticize the president or the government into the worse exegesis of Romans 13, I have yet to see. At that point, frustrated with seeing so many horrible churches--hey I am not perfect, I rolled my eyes, this man saw me, assumed I was some variety of liberal, and then said, "Well if Hillary Clinton becomes president, criticizing her too will be a sin!". Thinking "government shill" and "cult leader", I got up and walked out mid-sermon never to return.

Dominionism, is sneaking into the fundamentalist churches and well has taken over many of them, if not out and out"officially" Reconstructionist, too many pay homages to the politicians, the Republican party as "God's party", ignoring many of the anti-Christian things that used to happen under Bush's and other Republican regimes, and promoting the false culture wars, I've discussed already on this blog except this time without the attached ecumenism. While the economy implodes and American freedoms get ground to dust, too many fundamentalist churches today, preach the "America as God's nation" 'City on a hill" claptrap and lies, change American history, plaster the church in flags on July 4th and continue the weird delusion pointing to the actual deist founders of America, as being "great Christians" This is very odd that given that Thomas Jefferson is lauded by the Unitarians for writing a Bible that takes all the supernatural out and one can easily find old etchings and pictures of George Washington outfitted in his Masonic apron. This is a rewriting history: myth making regarding America. That was actually quite noticeable in a lot of the Vision Forum/Quiverful history for kids.

Sword of the Lord [the newspaper for independent fundamentalist baptists] used to make me cringe years ago, with supportive articles for the political system and the so called Christian right. Downloading the free copy available on their website, I see this has not changed. In the article [this is probably an older copy] it says "Pray For America, It's an Election Year!" has the usual culture war broiler plate stuff. It shows the typical messages: "Stand against the liberals, don't forget to vote", "vote against someone" choosing the lesser evil. Well that's fine to a point but reading the Sword of the Lord for years, I never saw it warn about the Patriot Act or other things happening in America, it was all the general mainstream rhetoric of the Christian Right. Maybe it should just stick to the Bible lessons. Support the troops! [never question the wisdom of the wars in the first place or why the lives of our troops were being sacrificed for the new "crusades" in the Middle East]. Page 6's praise of Catholic Knights of Malta William Buckley is odd too though they admit to his spiritual errors. I guess the so called "stars" of the "right" are to be nodded to. Now this doesn't mean that many fundamentalists in the pews aren't being warned by God in terms of these politicians, but many of the religious leaders, they aren't warning anyone. Anyone have a preacher warning directly about the "Christian" political Right or Dominionism? If you do tell me about him.

Online, there are many who discuss abuses happening in fundamentalist churches: some have been victims themselves. The Quiverful movement as I was researching that article has seemed to produce a lot of people who as children who suffered horribly under the legalistic cult teachings of Bill Gothard. There are many websites online that have exposed fundamentalist schools--I've been watching the development of what seems to be 'christian' mind-control "bootcamps" [one of a few years ago, dragged a girl by a pickup truck for "punishment] and I still remember this being defended by the deluded online who told me the girl "deserved it". That was shocking.

Add to this reading about schools like Hepzibah House that have victims come out and tell their stories. That is just one school among many like it, kind of a Magdaline Laundries for fundamentalist Christians. These people are not to be dismissed. There are many out there using religion or the cover of "fundamentalist Christianity' for their psychopathic abuse. Sadly though many people who have been so abused, will be turned against the gospel and the gospel of Jesus Christ by those who have warped it, practicing Satanic control, and legalism.

When I read a website like this, "Stuff Fundies Like" I know those who have departed fundamentalist Christianity [or sadly who are "ex-Christians"] are right about some things. Crazy rules at fundamentalist colleges where they treat women as harshly as the Taliban does, requiring a 20 year old woman to have an escort even to go buy some ramen noodles at the local grocery store. They are right about pompous preachers sitting themselves on "thrones" Banal emphasis on "lifestyles" [extreme in the Quiverful movement], things that actually go against the Bible and other discrepancies. Sadly these exposes go hand in hand, with a denial of the Christian gospel and truth and if a Christian comes into some of these circles [I've done it before] to say "Yes you are right about those things, but the gospel is true and Jesus taught differently", their ears are long ago closed. That is the damage of those who do evil using the name of Jesus Christ.

Energy Healing and Reiki at the Hospital?



Lighthouse Trails warns us "Energy 'Healing' and Reiki May Be Offered to You at Your Hospital". Christians should avoid this like the plague, say no to having some New Age health care worker, bringing forth 'energy' through their hands waving them above your body. This is not only charlatantry but demonic in nature. Reiki has gotten popular, in one town I lived in, the practicing Wiccans used to go to their weekly Reiki class and/or session. However they weren't the only ones, several of the ladies in my last Catholic church also had an active interest in Reiki, and sought after it as well as other New Age 'holistic' medicine.

Weird and Evil Statement From the Pope On Pedophilia


I think the Vatican is getting more and more blatant, I could see them rubbing things in people's faces in a mocking way, they realize most of the world will question very little or the ones who protest will be basically ignored. Last week in speaking to the Curia: the Pope came up with this doozy. He said this:

In order to resist these forces, we must turn our attention to their ideological foundations. In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorized as something fully in conformity with man and even with children. This, however, was part of a fundamental perversion of the concept of ethos. It was maintained – even within the realm of Catholic theology – that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a "better than" and a "worse than". Nothing is good or bad in itself. Everything depends on the circumstances and on the end in view. Anything can be good or also bad, depending upon purposes and circumstances


Now I'm old enough to remember the 70s, and I do NOT remember paedophilia being considered "more acceptable" or "something fully in conformity with man and even with children". How utterly shocking for the Pope to state such a thing, even 100 years ago, abuse of children may not have been talked about as much but most human beings of ANY conscience would have called it PURE UNADULTERATED EVIL. This more then anything shows the moral foundations of the Vatican have long ago crumbled, these men are an evil of a special sort. Now our Pope-protecting media, hasn't dealt with this one too much, but understandable outrage, has come out.


But outraged Dublin victim Andrew Madden last night insisted that child abuse was not considered normal in the company he kept.

Mr Madden accused the Pope of not knowing that child pornography was the viewing of images of children being sexually abused, and should be named as such.

He said: “That is not normal. I don't know what company the Pope has been keeping for the past 50 years.”


Famous Irish singer Sinead O'Connnor has jumped into the fray, and wrote an open letter to the Pope asking:

"Sir, Some burning questions arise from the following statement you made in your Christmas address to your cardinals on December 20 regarding how it came
to pass that the house of the Holy Spirit became a haven for criminals of a sexual nature.

‘In the 1970s pedophilia was theorized [by the church] as
something fully in conformity with man and even with children.’

Please deign to respond to this letter directly and personally and put aside all the pomp and titles and so-called ‘proper channels’ all of which belong not in the 21st century but the 12th and are unbecoming of Christ.

Exactly who held the theory that pedophilia was fully in conformity with man and with children?
Please give us their names.

Exactly when did they hold this theory?
Exactly when if ever did they cease holding the theory?"

Good questions, here we have this Pope who has done nothing but play cover up for sex abuse in the Catholic church coming up with an extremely outrageous statement that shows a wicked mentality and a darkened mind. It seems the Pope can say any evil thing and in most circles, he is beyond question with only very few pointing out the old man seems to lack even the normal semblance of an actual human conscience.

How can anyone believe that these men are what they claim to be considering these poisonous fruits?

Monday, December 20, 2010

The Duggars, Bill Gothard, Vision Forum, and The Quiverful Movement





Have you seen the show 19 Kids & Counting? This is a TV show that shows a very large family with 19 children. I have watched the Duggars, I like the show, because it's one of the few wholesome shows out there, Christian family, they home school the children, and seek to live a Christian life, in front of millions of viewers. It can be pleasurable to watch the Duggars work together in a large family, go on field trips to interesting places and each shows a special personality. To me they seem to be very likeable people from all appearances. Many Christian people love this show. I think the Duggars are very nice people, they remind me of many people I knew at my fundamentalist church except with more children and greater means. This means I was used to being around homeschoolers and those who live a lifestyle just like the Duggars, so on that note, watching the show, I would love to hang out with them, and do a few Bible studies but then I found out about the Quiverfull Movement!


I would discover a culture, I didn't even know existed in America, and one that carried the label "fundamentalist Christian": It would include such organizations as Above Rubies Magazine, Vision Forum, and what is known as the "Integrated Family Movement". Some of these movements have different distinctions but overlap each other in many essentials.

A couple months ago, at a library magazine exchange, I found the magazine, ABOVE RUBIES, I thought well this looks like a nice "Christian magazine", I took it home and was in shock. For those of you who don't know Above Rubies, it is the magazine of the Quiverfull movement with a huge dash of the Patriarchy Movement included.


According to this movement, married couples are to have as many children as possible, the quiverfull related to the verse in the Bible in Psalm 127: 3-5, which relays a quiver of arrows as being akin to being blessed with many children. Children are a blessing and abortion is evil but something is wrong with this odd emphasis to have as many children as possible. I believe families are free to have as many children possible as they desire or God wills, but something seems odd about promoting extremely large families like this.

Here are some beliefs of this movement I did not know about. They do believe men are to be the absolute authority of the home, now Christians and myself believe this as well to extent as well in that men are to be the heads of the household, but this is taken to the extreme, where women are given far less voice, and all things that 21st century humans take for granted in America such as property rights and rest would all be rescinded for women. Daughters who are unmarried and even grown [there are blogs of some SAHD "stay at home daughters" into their mid-30s] are to remain under the authority of their fathers for life until they marry. Visionary Daughters is one website, that promotes this belief as well. The Patriarchy Movement is related to this, as submissive womanhood is emphasized, almost as sort of an extreme backlash against feminism. Here is one sample article on "submission".

One thing that gave me the creeps as I examined this movement, was I felt like I was reading the mandates of what I saw in FLSD memroirs[the fundamentalist Latter Day Saints, remember them?] These were the people who got their compound raided and children taken away under charges of impropriety, who had some children escape the cult, and go on to write books about it? Well I have read some of those including one by Carolyn Jessop who was married to an older man against her will, and noticed here, too utter submission of women, was being promoted, kind of like the feminist's idea of a nightmare, a "Christian" version of the Taliban and the Handmaiden's Tale come to life. The ladies who escaped have told of a similar strain in that culture, though the girls are not married as young, most of the marriages are arranged, where the father approves who the girl will do "courtship" with, and the female submission is taken to extremes. While the Quiverfull movement does not participate in the polygamy and the revealed other criminal acts that went on in the Warren Jeff's compound, the same strain of dominance and control seems to be there.

In the FLSD world; "keeping Sweet"was something many of the "escapees" wrote about. When I was reading the FLSD books, memoirs of women abused in those cults, all of them talked about something called "keeping sweet" which had to do with this over-submission to men. The women talked about how total obedience and silence and submission to men was the rule and that when trouble came they were to keep a smile on their face all the time. While there is some truth here, we should turn to prayer, and not solving problems in carnal ways, this can also be abused to sublimate normal human emotions when confronted with evil. It is the stuff of cults and control. Cult members always are to keep smiling and looking happy, its one of the basics ways to control grown-ups and not talk about anything bad going on. Above Rubies, in their article "Seven Secrets for Wives", while there is some good biblical advice here, they too, say "keeping sweet" is to be mandated. Mrs. Duggar seems to be following this formula, while she does seem genuinely happy a lot of the time, that smile seems strained sometimes.

While I accept men taking the lead role in the household, this does not mean women being slaves or basically locked indoors. Women can be led by the Lord in other roles in life as shown in the Bible:

Rom 16:1 ¶ I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:


Rom 16:2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

They do preach that the man is head of household--and I do believe that, but what about the husband's responsibilities? He is supposed to love the wife as much as his own body...When people teach an imbalances and become masters of verse plucking, much damage can come about! Ephesians 5 lays this out for men: They have their duties as well and it's not about control, its about love and giving to others, the same that Jesus did selflessly


25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.


Mr. Duggar seems to rule his family with love, and seems inherently a kind and giving man but what of the wives with controlling or cruel men who could use the rules of this movement for abuse? Even that said, watching the older Duggar daughters seeming to be consigned to a life of caring for their younger siblings even into their 20s in the case of one, cooking and cleaning incessantly, being denied any higher education or self-chosen goals, in this society seems to be setting them up for future disaster should no good father-approved spouse show up. Denying children even a good home-schooled education, is too a problem. The Duggars at least in the early days of the show emphasized good homeschooling but this seems to have changed, with this one there is really no way of knowing for sure.

That said, why some of these Quiverfull families do value education, other's do not, and this leaves the children even more woefully ill prepared for today's world. With the Amish they have an entire community to support each other , where it isn't a sink or swim formula for every individual 10plus child family.

To me these "family integrated" churches and organizations that want to turn the clock back to an idealized form of the 1880s have lost something. God is no respecter of persons. What does one make of a church that automatically negates all childless infertile people, widows, widowers and single people? What happens when family is made first to the negation of everything else? That elevates the larger families above smaller ones, and leads people without families to a rejected place. I've been in churches that have focused on "families" to the detriment of everyone else. Even being married in such places, you are invisible if you do not have children.
Being a wife and mother are very important and I am not negating that and by the way I am a supporter of homeschooling if it is done right, but even there this movement presents a false idealized life, that never happened, [women even in the 1800s were out in the farms with their husbands and children chopping weeds, harvesting and helping with family businesses] , its like they are out to sell almost a demographic of a the "perfect life" which includes shining obedient children, a Christian version of "Martha Stewartism" marketed to Christians with perfect children, meals, homes and revamped upper middle class 50's "lifestyles" tied to idealized farm living of the 1890s. Helicopter parenting for the evangelical set with home-sewn table clothes and goat's milk for all.

While Christians should seek after the things of God and His will and renounce the evil things this world presents, there is a point where perfectionism being legalism and poison. At that point you have a cult. Pharisaical burdens, control and man-made burdens enter in. David Cloud agrees in discussing some of these aspects too:

To teach that young women cannot leave their father’s roof unless they are married is going far beyond Scripture and putting man-made yokes on God’s people.


Keeping grown women perpetual children is a disgrace. But that is just one of the many rules in these organizations. Bill Gothard, a teacher linked to these movements, seems to teach so many requirements of perfection, that no human person would ever be able to fulfil them.

While it is good to examine one's behavior and listen to the leading of the Holy Spirit and obey God and think about character issues, those who based their salvation on the goodness of themselves, instead of the righteousness of Jesus Christ, have lost the plot.

As far as the Duggars go with the oldest daughters, there are some who have jokingly said "Free them!" they do see them sadly as woman locked away. I find myself thinking they are no different then grown ladies sent off to the convent, but this time instead of obedience to a Mother Superior and bishop, it is transferred to their father who is their "church pastor" as well.

I worry about the young people who may have other callings even godly ones, and who may chaff against this system of control and that includes the Duggar children. If parents are this controlling, this is where rebellion can come in. Some separation or what some see as "rebellion" is not ungodly, while we cannot trust psychology on everything, there is normal healthy separation that comes between children and adults, as they grow and they form their own individual minds and lives. If I remained under my own parents bidding, I would still be a Catholic.

One cannot "force" Christianity on any children. We want to lead children in the way they will go as dictated by the Bible, but unless a child has become born again through their own individual conviction, repentance and trusting in Jesus Christ as their savior, the "lifestyle" trappings are for naught. Same goes for adult unbelievers, wanting to "conquer" the culture is not the biblical way of bringing people to Jesus Christ.


One worrisome thing is out there, there are many coming out of groups like this as children or Quiverfull women and ones like it speaking of abuse, and rejecting Christianity based on what they experienced. Many of their concerns are real, though sadly, not knowing the saving gospel and only the one of cultist legalism.

While every Christian can support a family that looks out for its own, even with the Quiverfull movement they have something called "leave and cleave" which means if a child does attain marriage and a family of their own, that all financial help is to end. That is dangerous in today's economy and cruel as well. I don't think the Duggars follow that one and hope they never do!

People can make idols of other people, and that includes a wife making an idol of a husband. When I read about some of these women, elevating men to such high places, where the man dictates everyone of their actions, thoughts and words, that is not a Christian relationship but a toxic one. Couples are supposed to be helpmeets not a husband with a subservient slave. When a woman is trying to be a slave to a man, you are not listening to Gods will or what He wants you to do. You have made an idol of a mere human being who is imperfect to fulfill all your needs. In the Above Rubies magazine and some of the other websites, some of the expectations put upon the men to be 'perfect leaders' and problem solvers seemed insane.

That goes for those who make the "family" or their own into idols as well. The temptation to use motherhood for self-glorification is out there, and for people to put themselves above each other. While we should love our families, Jesus Himself spoke of his true family being other believers Matt 12:49-50., and warned of those who would have family members who would betray them. Where is the Great Commission, when most energy is poured into seeking the perfect Christian "lifestyle"?

Another thing about these movements is they are all tied to the Dominionist movement. These are the people who desire to marry church and state and bring in a theocracy, I have written on them before on this blog. Vision Forum that allots for "dominion" of the home, and carries this into into bigger arenas then the home as well seeking "culture change". Vision Forum award Michelle Duggar with a Mother of the Year award. Bill Gothard has been connected to Dominionism as well. We know Mr. Duggar had his time in politics as a state representative. One sees the endless culture wars rhetoric, the claims of wanting Christians to ascend in power. Why wouldn't those who desire "dominion" of the home desire dominion of the country?

Examining the Christian Right as I have, I never knew about these groups before, so check out the links here, and tell me what you think of what I am talking about here. I may post more indepth on these subjects later. I have to admit, this one was a toughie. I like the Duggars, but disagree adamantly with the movements and teachers they follow.



Tuesday, December 14, 2010

The Problems with "Christian" Message Boards


Take it from me, do not make Christian message boards too much of a hobby, they are a mess! Learning from my errors in spending literally hours debating with the recalcitrant, was a waste of too much of my life. I learned a lot: iron can sharpen iron, about the Bible and expanded my own studies, but overall, there was the wasted energy too. This took me time to figure out so this is something I was guilty of TOO, but writing this to get people to THINK: but what is the purpose for Christians to keep arguing with the same set of people for 3, 4, 5, 6+ years? I've watched boards where the same set of evangelicals have pontificated on Mary, the Eucharist, and Purgatory with posts numbering in the thousands to the same Catholics who have refused the gospel literally for years. That ignores this mandate:

Mat 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

That said on many of these boards, a lot of the so called Christians aren't even pretending to preach the gospel or expose error anymore. It's about winning arguments and getting over on people. People get in the flesh and go to battle. This can be a danger especially for those who enjoy intellectual debate, and was a danger for me. If you post on nothing but the homosexuality of the Catholic leadership while ignoring the absolute rot and false teachings in evangelical churches and nothing else to Catholics, where is that going to get you or them?

Arguing with people isn't going to work and will only make them more entrenched. This will not win anyone to the Lord. If you participate on a Christian message board, ask yourself is your time and energy is being used wisely? Don't waste literal years having the same arguments with the same people, be wary of those who when dealing with unbelievers show no love, and are arrogant and mean. Clear out from toxic people and get yourself out of there. Throw the pearls of scripture, gospel and biblical warnings to those who will listen not a group of the seared who will mock and insult you.

Don't think all the time on Christian message boards is bad, I've met some really great people over the years, but I have discerned something seriously wrong with the majority of them.

I warned here about the Scripts that are used worldwide to mislead Christians. Realize each and every one predominates on the majority of Christian message boards out there. This may be an odd admission, but just holding fundamentalist beliefs is enough to get yourself banned off most Christian message boards out there. I have been banned off of a large Baptist board for saying what used to be commonly accepted among Baptists that the Catholic church was the harlot of Rev 17, and on others have suffered censorship and threats of being banned for holding to biblical separation.

Many of the large Christian message boards come with an ecumenical plan. There are a couple very big ones out there, where they even have a pro-Catholic section, Catholic moderators included, just like the evangelical bookstores, with their Catholic section!

On one huge well-known board, that offers a section for every cult, I actually asked a couple months ago, if a fundamentalist Christian section could be added [for those who believe in biblical separation]. I kind of knew from the get-go I'd be turned down. No surprises there. The folks who love Catholic history, the ecumenical movement, Emergent theology, predominate too in many of these places. In many of these places, one can see gentle Christian souls literally bombarded as they come on talking about desiring a home fellowship, or showing any personal vulnerability. I told someone the other day, I have seen secular boards where there has been far more politeness, and day to day kindness then on Christian message boards!

Talking to many people on Christian message boards, outside of the very few minority like-minded Bible Christians, is like talking to brick walls who all say the same exact thing. If you are biblical Christian, you will hear these terms over and over, and no matter the explanation, they will not cease from the script [keep in mind, I am posting the same like I do on this blog] : you are "clanging symbol", you are a "hater", a "legalist", a "Pharisee". Then there is the problem, that on message boards I think more evidence is growing is they are have a large number of knowing deceivers, who are there to serve as change agents, guide the conversations and label the dissenting or biblical Christian with out hesitation. This website, actually goes in depth about this issue. Do not miss this article either. I have personally witnessed many of the things the author talks about. This is not "conspiracy theory" it is real.

The Christian message boards are infiltrated to the max. I do not care if someone considers me a "tin-hatter" for saying this but they are. Spiritual warfare is real, and there are many luciferians, cults and other types with interest in influencing Christians to a certain end. Having spent too much time on them, one notices patterns over the years, and its far worse then anyone could dream. The infiltrators work together by the way too.

There are plenty of the deceived honest types who are merely influenced by false pastors and churches but when you see people contradict themselves even formerly long held beliefs, play two sides of an issue, or realize that someone seems to always be online, no matter their presentation of themselves as a healthy active person with employment, every hour of the day, to immediately answer your "controversial" post, you know something really weird is going on.

Even little two-bit boards, you do not think the powers that be wouldn't care about, seem be taken over those who are not acting as "honest", "sincere" people you are having disagreements with but those with agenda. I have discovered myself personally a message board, that presented itself as being for fundamentalists, but really the people even claiming to be preachers were "fake" and years ago they had even fake church websites which I saw myself [and took those down, I guess with the advent of GPS mapping on Google]. The people running this place are actually anti-fundamentalist Christians and use satanic avatars, and worse. When you see "Christians" putting up vampires when it isn't October as a "cool avatar" or one eye Horus symbols, that should give you a clue. Use discernment to figure out who the badly disciplined teen vs. the occultists marking themselves for other occultists. Names like DarkKnight, Sheepwrecked [get it?], holy mole, are some of the names I've seen used. Some places they don't even try to hide it but they know most of the "asleep", won't notice.

Then still there was another message board, where it consisted of unbelievers on a lark trying to play Christians for fools, by pretending to be "Christians"[every outrageous stereotype was employed as they made a game of playing "Christians", church ladies and fake pastors". I knew within a few minutes, but those who are undiscerning, I saw others being tricked. Then there are others full of closet occultists, cultists and the rest all trying to lead Christians astray. I have seen closet occultists even infiltrate boards of sincere but wrong Catholics, only to be exposed years later. [trust me they will ignore the Christian's earlier warnings]

How can I put this plainly: Christian message boards are dangerous spiritually even beyond the fact so many are infiltrated. The peer pressure to conform, accept error, stop exposing wolves is intense. You will see good cop and bad cop games, and the neo-evangelical contingent never lets up in telling Christians to accept false preachers, not expose error--[abusing the wheat and the tares verse], watering down and worse. I have YET to find a Christian message board that seems to not be compromised in some fashion. If you read this, and know about one, [beyond places of one-three posters] that is true fellowship of Christians in love, tell us about it.

Those who are not walking with God, and who do not have the integrity of their beliefs, could easily fold, hanging out too long on these places, and I have seen it happen. I recently have been convicted to make better use of my time and to avoid Christian message boards more, I may still post links to my articles on different ones, but beyond that my time is going to remain more limited. There are people out there, that are open to the gospel and Christians who want to share true fellowship and will take honest warnings to heart, instead of reacting in anger and abuse.

One thing I know I have to do is apply the Bible more to internet activities and face even my own sins on the web. That means verses like this are to applied to the computer too.

Jam 3:16 For where envying and strife [is], there [is] confusion and every evil work.

False Religions Founded/Promoted By False Angels of Light

False Religions Founded and Promoted by FALSE Angels of Light:

One thing Ive noticed examining different religions of the world is how in so many cults and false religions a false ANGEL OF LIGHT is behind the founding or promotion of the false religion and leads the way. Without fail a great light is seen along with these demons or fallen angels of deception. One thing to remember is Satan and his workers are mimickers.

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve." 2 Corinthians 11:13-15


MORMONS....








Of Moroni's first appearance on the night of September 21, 1823, Joseph Smith recorded:

After I had retired to my bed for the night, I betook myself to prayer and supplication to Almighty God for forgiveness of all my sins and follies, and also for a manifestation to me, that I might know of my state and standing before him. While I was thus in the act of calling upon God, I discovered a light appearing in my room, which continued to increase until the room was lighter than at noonday, when immediately a personage appeared at my bedside, standing in the air. He had on a loose robe of most exquisite whiteness. It was a whiteness beyond anything earthly I had ever seen. His hands were naked, and his arms also, a little above the wrist; so, also, were his feet naked, as were his legs, a little above the ankles. His head and neck were also bare. His whole person was glorious beyond description, and his countenance truly like lightning [JSH 1:29-32].


ISLAM




The Islamic faith is centered on the belief in one God and in Arabic he is called Allah. The Muslims, followers of Islam, believe that Muhammad was visited by an angel of light from whom he received God's final revelation. Muhammad claimed that this angel of light was Gabriel, the same Gabriel as the one from the Old Testament of the Bible. It was several years before these visions were recorded in what is called the Koran, the sacred scripture of Islam.


CATHOLICISM:

In the Catholic visions of the Virgin Mary, many of the so called "seers" speak of the light that accompanies "her". She is called all over the place "Our Lady of Light"!





From Catholic website:

That brings us to the final element. What role does light play?

It was in the niche of the rock that Bernadette first saw a gentle light and within that light, the beautiful Lady who we now know as the Immaculate Conception.


From another Catholic website:

"13 May 1917

On 13 May 1917 the three children took their flocks out to
pasture on the small area known as the Cova da Iria. After lunch and the rosary they suddenly saw a bright flash of something like lightning, followed quickly by another flash in the clear blue sky.

They looked up to see in Lucia's words,
"a lady, clothed in white, brighter than the sun, radiating a light more clear and intense than a crystal cup filled with sparkling water, lit by burning
sunlight."
The children stood there amazed, bathed in the light that surrounded the apparition, as the Lady smiled and said: "Do not be afraid, I will not harm you." Lucia as the oldest asked her where she came from."

Buddhism:




"There were stars all around me and I felt a profound sense of peace. Then a Goddess appeared before me. She was sitting on a lotus and had her right hand up with her open palm facing me. It was glowing with bright white light. Her facial features were so gentle, so compassionate and loving. I knew her to be Kwan Yin. I spent some time connecting with her and letting her nurturing energy fill me up. She gave me several messages, the most memorable being to take care of myself"

SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST: [in a vision by Ellen White]


After a few remarks by my father, very earnest prayers were offered by each of the visiting ministers. Then Father prayed. After Father's prayer, Mother began to pray. She spoke with great effort in a very hoarse, labored voice. After a few sentences her voice broke clear and musical, and we, looking up, saw that a great change had come over her. Her hands were clasped, her eyes uplifted, as she clearly said, "Glory to God."

Then with a quick movement she threw aside the blankets with which she was wrapped and stepped forward, her eyes looking upward as if viewing something of greatest interest. Wringing her hands, and with a look of intense sorrow, she exclaimed, "Dark, dark, so dark!" Later, her face brightened and she exclaimed, "Light! A little light! More light! Much light!"



New Age lady in the "angel movement"


"On this day when my angel of light appeared to me, my husband and I had just moved into our new house in April. We were excited to start a family. I was cleaning house when I came upon my Grandmothers kissing, musical, angel, ceramic statues she had painted many years ago"

Apostate "Christians" such as Todd Bentley [false preacher]





"As I stared at the angel with open eyes, the Lord said, “Here’s Emma.” I’m not kidding. She floated a couple of inches off the floor. It was almost like Kathryn Khulman in those old videos when she wore a white dress and looked like she was gliding
across the platform. Emma appeared beautiful and young-about 22 years old-but she was old at the same time. She seemed to carry the wisdom, virtue and grace
of Proverbs 31 on her life.

She glided into the room, emitting brilliant light and colors. Emma carried these bags and began pulling gold out of them. Then, as she walked up and down the aisles of the church, she began putting gold dust on people."


See a pattern here?

Biblical Warnings need to be taken seriously.

There are really only two religions in the world, Mystery Babylon and the things of Satan vs. true biblical Christianity.

Saturday, December 11, 2010

One World Religion: The Charter for Compassion




More one world interfaith exercises connected to the United Nations. This one has the Dalai Lama's involvement as well as many other organizations. Here too as you can see in their list of Partners, we see Catholic and Unitarian Universalist involvement along with the group The Temple of Understanding, United Religions Initiative, Council for a Parliament of the World Religions, and UN Alliance of Civilizations. The advertisement says "The Best Idea Humanity Has Ever Had", how about the best idea God has ever had which is salvation in Jesus Christ? More false Utopianism. This is no new idea as humanity had it in Genesis, building a united tower of Babel.

Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people [is] one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

In Bible prophecy, we know what this all means, the false peace that will destroy many via the antichrist as warned of in the book of Daniel, and the "one mind of the beast":

Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

The Global Peace Festival is another interfaith group, preaching the same antichrist, blend all religions together message. Their partners, see on scrolling graphic to the right on their website, includes IBM, Republic of Kenya, and more. Don't miss the number of top politicians supporting this in the video.



1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

The world is joining together in the one mind of the beast rejecting Jesus Christ, who said:

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Friday, December 10, 2010

Led to Salvation From Reading Jack Chick Tracts?


Many young people collect these, for the "kitsch" and comic strip value, and when I was young, I had a small collection of Jack Chick tracts that formed a core part of an alternative comic collection. Some I got from the "church lady" of my urban neighborhood, who would pass out tracts and witness openly in the street. If one wants to see people starting to froth at the mouth on apostate Christian message boards, mention Jack Chick and they go literally nuts! Neo-evangelicals especially can't stand him! Why? Because the tracts tell the truth about false religions: Catholicism included: no fawning one world religion stuff here. He also keeps things simple and easily understood, which brings tons of mocking from the religious erudite intellectuals and theologians who seem to get more satisfaction confusing issues rather then being simple and direct.

Is Chick perfect? No he is just a human like the rest of us, I do not agree with him on the pre-trib rapture or some authors he's chosen [Alberto Rivera is a good one whose warnings are coming to pass] but he is a saved believer that has made a difference in trying to get God's Word out there, even if in an unorthodox matter. One thing is for sure, he does get people's attention!

The Catholics sure don't like him, in this article, I thought very early on... hey maybe Chick is off the mark, but for every one of the bulleted points, if one does their research they can find evidence. Even the theory about Islam being a Catholic off-shoot, was backed up by a scholar even a few years ago who spoke of his research regarding "The Christian [well actually Catholic] Orgins of the Koran". Read A Blueprint for a Catholic America, written more then 25 years ago, that will help give you understand what is happening out there especially to the churches!

Now the egghead inclined, they cite the simplicity of Chick's message as a bad thing while scoffing at the Bible prophecy being warned about. Those spending hours in the seminary, arguing about how many angels fit on the head of the pin using 100 dollar words, are not the first on the list of would be Chick fans. Chick sticks to preaching God's Word, warning of false religions and helping to lead people to salvation. He does this in a simple way making things easy to understand. In the Chick illustrated book "Did the Catholic Church Give Us the Bible?", at the time I had already researched Bible versions and how Bibles have been corrupted, for example to avoid the NIV, and choose the KJV, this book in it's simplicity helped to put it all together in the best way possible.




One tract I read as a Catholic that helped snap me awake was The Death Cookie. This is one that explains in simple terms and concepts how the Catholic church was able to gain the power it did and lead people into idolatry. Remember to the Catholics the Eucharist is everything with their saying..."No Priest-No Eucharist!"


Another tract that got me thinking was Murph. There are many others including This Was Your Life. This one, I read over and over, fascinated by it, even as an unbeliever thinking what if this was the truth? This got me started reading the Bible more.

Here is latest edition called "Love That Money!". This one is very worthwhile considering how money is held as the top priority in our society and how some put that as number one, when the Bible tells us to build our treasures in heaven. This is one to read even for a Christian for good reminders in a society full of intense economic pressure. Do not miss more news and writing in his newsletter called Battle Cry!
Years ago I wrote a letter to Jack Chick and company, thanking him for his tracts. God bless him.

Tuesday, December 7, 2010

Stay Away From Narnia!

From the "paganism is good ethos of the Catholic church" which this Catholic apologist seems to agree with too:

Lewis use of pagan imagery in his Narnia books and other fiction (most notably Till We Have Faces, which is a retelling of a pagan myth) reflects his conviction that paganism, at its best, is a preparation for the gospel that contains many elements of truth.

Posted by: Mark Shea at Dec 1, 2005 10:45:57 AM

Right there, that sums up the problem with CS Lewis books, and his Narnia series, then I could describe in 5 paragraphs. Going along with their false premise that the "gods" of false religions represent at the very least archetypes of "god": Let's not forget the Catholic church teaches this about pagan religions:



843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."332


The religion that heads Mystery Babylon would never warn people as Christians discern that the false "gods" of other religions are evil spirits or Satan himself. They may warn of idolatry and "errors' but when the premise is that every false religion seeks after God, instead of warning of Baal worship, there is a problem. There is a seeking after "truths" in pagan religions and a promotion of universalism. There is no doubt in my mind, that there are aspects of entertainment being used for "programming" as it were, in this case to help embrace a paganized false "Christianity" [overt sun worship included].

One manifestation of this in Catholic circles are the teachings where they tell people that pagan religions and traditions can be 'christianized". So when one watches the first Narnia movie, brains remain sleeping, when one of the "heros' of the movie is a representative of the cloven footed PAN [a representative of Satan]. This character is not called Pan thought but Mr. Tumnus, [a name very similar to Tammuz which was a pagan sun "god" that is warned about in the book of Ezekial chapt 8. "Ezekiel 8:13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do. 14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.". Vertumnus another similar name was a Roman "god" of orchards. Is that name by accident?, I don't think so!






The "eternal winter" that Narnia is cursed under even here fits into the sun-worship connected to pagan Baal "worship of the creation" religions and Mystery Babylon, when the false pagan gods were praised and called on for the seasons of the year and to bring spring. [Otherwise why celebrate the winter and spring solstices or the birth of the sun?]

Remember these books are being sold in the Christian world as an allegory for "jesus" where these folks say Aslan is representative of him, and as supposedly imparting a Christian message. One can go to mainstream Christian websites and see the movies and books being advertised and heavily promoted. There are many books that have been published presenting the "Christian" aspects of Narnia:




The two things I've already discussed are just a tip of the iceberg as to the occult symbology in Narnia [the movie, as well as the series of books is INTENSE]. Even the" wardrobe" in The Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe, that leads to another world, is related to occult symbology that is related to crossing thresholds, and altered states of conciousness. Even witches [including Starhawk who is popular in UU circles] recognize the occult teachings and witchcraft in these books.

Reading The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe just acouple years ago to remind myself of what I saw as a child in this book in Catholic school, I saw the things listed above, as well as many others. Aslan's abilities and the witch's powers are referred to as DEEP MAGIC [Aslan's "Magic" the even DEEPER Magic]. For all the children being told Aslan represents "jesus", [by the way I was told this, YEARS ago in Catholic school, where no classroom ever failed to have the complete set of books past 2nd grade!], the deception is deep. Think about the blasphemy there. There are demons presented as good, the "White witch" directly kills Aslan.

Later on in the book and movie, Aslan is killed by a knife which is disturbing because in all the warnings of Satanic sacrifices, and rituals, that is how it is done. Even when the knife is described in the book [lets not forget this is a book for "children"!], the knife is described as an an athame[which is a name for ceremonial knives in paganism and witchcraft]

Here is even more blasphemy: "Who will take him out of my hand then" [blasphemy against the Word of God by Satan]

From the book "The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe"



"The Witch bared her arms as she had bared them the previous night when it had been Edmund instead of Aslan. Then she began to whet her knife. It looked to the children, when the gleam of the torchlight fell on it, as if the knife were made of stone, not of steel and it was a strange and evil shape.

At last she drew near. She stood by Aslan's head. Her face was working and twitching with passion, but his looked up at the sky, still quiet niether angry nor afraid, but a little sad. Then, just before she gave the blow, she stooped down and said in a quivering voice.

And now who has won? Fool, did you think that by all this you would save the human traitor? Now I will kill you instead of him as our pact was and so the Deep Magic will be appeased. But when you are dead what will prevent me from killing him as well? And who will take him out of my hand then? Understand you have given me Narnia forever, you have lost your own life and you have not saved his. In that knowledge despair and die.

The children did not see the actual moment of the killing. They couldn't bear to look and had covered their eyes.

[page 155].

Berit Kjos states:

Her [speaking of the witch] ritual sacrifice
of Aslan has more in common with the ancient blood sacrifices to cultural gods (whether Hindu, Mayan, Inca or Babylonian) than with the crucifixion of our
Lord. Small wonder the movie director chose a sacrificial setting for Aslan that looks strangely like the ancient ritual stones and pillars at Stonehenge, now a gathering place for the world's fast-growing networks of neopagans.





How satanic and sickening!

After Aslan is back to life...[this is to show the use of the phrase "deeper magic":


"It means," said Aslan, that though the Witch knew the deeper Magic, there is a magic deeper still she did not know. Her knowledge goes back only to the dawn of time"

[page 163]

Whoever thought these books and their movie spin-offs were OK for kids? Well now they are promoting this year's movie, which is "The Voyage of the Dawn Treader". Last year's movie was Prince Caspian, all best to be avoided. Do your research too here, the books are full of paganism throughout, more here.

The Truth About Christmas



[warning with video does not use KJV Bible, but it shows the pictures and Bible warnings in a very good way]


I used to enjoy Christmas, my Catholic family got into it quite a bit, with presents, dinners and parties, Right before I came out the Catholic church, I would repeat: "Jesus is the reason for the season" and tell fellow Catholics [this is while I was in RCC] to try and not focus on Santa and his elves so much but make sure kids and others knew it was "jesus's birthday"!

I never would have dreamed in my case that one day I would reject Christmas. Christmas is a hard one, 99.999% of the churches celebrate it out there, and the Jehovah Witnesses do not count because they deny Jesus Christ as God. The entire world goes into a frenzy to celebrate this holiday, parties, shopping and the rest. Stepping out of the fray, does part you from the crowd. Just some months after I was saved, I was convicted about Christmas, I was reading through my Bible and found this verse by accident:


JEREMIAH 10:

Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.


Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people [are] vain: for [one] cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.


Well what does this sound like?




Looking at the history of Christmas, one realizes that the holiday was chosen by the Roman Catholic church to continue the Roman holiday of Saturnalia, as well as an overlap with the winter solstice, and even modern day witches admit this:

One of the four minor Sabbats, Yule celebrates the rebirth of the Sun, the Sun God, and honors the Horned God. Yule is the longest night of the year, when balance is suspended and then gives way to the coming light. It is a time to look on the past year's achievements and to celebrate with family and friends. In ancient times, the Winter Solstice corresponded with the Roman Saturnalia (Dec. 17-24), pagan fertility rites, and various rites of Sun worship. This day is the official first day of winter. The Goddess gives birth to the Sun Child and hope for new light is born. The origins of most of the Christian [CATHOLIC]Christmas traditions come from the Pagan Yule celebration, such as the Christmas tree, the colors red and green and gift giving. Yule is also known as the Winter Solstice, Midwinter, Alban Arthan, Finn's Day, Festival of Sol, Yuletide, Great Day of the Cauldron, and Festival of Growth.




the sign above says:

"Ye Olde Yule Log

The burning of the Yule Log is an ancient custom, ante-dating the Christian Era by centures. It was a part of a gay Festival honoring the mythical god Thor. Later, the English made it an integral part of Christmas Eve festivities, even as the beautiful ChristmasTree, tho' likewise of Pagan origin, is so dear to our hearts as a Christmas symbol."

If one takes time to research the origins of Christmas and many of its customs and more, they will find out fast, it is NOT Christian. Here a Christian needs to remember those warnings that Jesus made about the false "traditions of men". Do your own research here, and realize this is one holiday bringing in much of what the Bible directly warns about. Many of the traditions are false, such as singing O' Tannebaum which basically is worshipping a tree.

Many do not realize this, but all Protestant denominations rejected Christmas, and did not celebrate it. Only towards the end of the 19th century as the holiday was promoted via commercialization, and the growing Catholic presence in America did this change.

Tom Breen writes:


In researching his book, Christmas: A Candid History, Forbes discovered that major American denominations - Presbyterians, Baptists, Quakers, Methodists and Congregationalists - either ignored the holiday or actively discouraged it until the late 19th century.

That rejection was rooted in the lack of biblical sanction for Dec. 25 as the date of Jesus's birth, as well as suspicion toward traditions that developed after the earliest days of Christianity. In colonial New England, this disapproval extended to actually making the holiday illegal, with celebration punishable by a fine.



One part of Christmas that is alarming to me personally is teaching children about the great lie called Santa Claus [or Satan's Claws?]. When I was a small child, my parents meaning well told me about Santa Claus bringing us presents, but sadly when I turned around 8 years old and realized Santa was not real, I started asking "Well if Santa Claus is not real, what about God?" This planted a seed of doubt in my mind that would last for years. We see how Christmas really has become a festival of greed. Children are trained to write, and ask Santa Claus for his "blessing" and presents. Even here, why is lying to children sanctioned? Thusly children are led into idolatry in a very subtle fashion. One of the best essays online, is Santa Claus: The Great Imposter? Please read this essay especially if you have children, and if you have introduced the Santa Claus story to them. There is much about the Santa Claus story that attempts to make a mockery of God's word: one is Santa [or as this essay points out Satan's] claim of omnipresence such as in the old Christmas song "Santa Claus is Coming To Town"; which goes: "He sees when you are sleeping, and he knows when you're awake"..... There is a reason, Santa sits on a "throne" for children to come visit him at the mall.





Over the years, I have talked to people about Christmas, it is not easy. Some have been Christians who have been unwilling to let go of this holiday. With those who are not saved, this is an more intense issue, someone really needs the conviction of the Holy Spirit to understand. This is an issue, that Christians themselves should be informed about because their churches in most cases, are promoting Christmas. I thank God here too, that when I had that first question about Christmas from reading that verse in the book of Jeremiah, that there were other Christians to warn and tell the truth about this holiday.

One warning about the celebration of Christmas, In studying Colossians 2:16, which states "16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." more and more I believe this refers to Jewish holidays, why would God's Word provide an "out" for holidays that worship Baal? Sadly many apply this verse to Christmas. I hope any that read this will be encouraged to check these things out for themselves. Leaving the things of this world sometimes is not easy, but it must be done. God does call us to separate from the things of this world. These things are abominations to God, the Christ-MASS, [referring to the false Catholic Mass] is something no Christian should celebrate or wish someone a Merry one either.






Tuesday, November 30, 2010

Emergents Remind Me of Unitarian Universalists!



When I meet Emergents or talk to them mostly on line, they remind me of UUs. As people know on this blog, I am an ex-Unitarian Universalist as well as ex-Catholic [cradle Catholic]. For back ground on the Unitarian Universalist church, read this blog article.

I remember a few years ago, the Emergent movement was seen as a separate movement, with their own websites, and books, and more, but they have moved more into the mainstream of the so called Christian church where their leaders and books are accepted. In fact years ago, when warning about Emergents, very few knew who they were, "aren't those new hippies who break out the lava lamps and have church sitting on couches in a coffee shop?" To me, Emergents hold the same world view of most of my used to be fellow Unitarian Universalists except they throw a little Christian lingo into the mix and see to have a penchance for wearing goatees [among the men] for some reason.

One of the main websites for Emergents, just so you can get a feel for what the Emergent movement entails is the OOZE website. Interesting name that. One magazine out there promoting CCM music, the latest rock bands, and Emergent books, is called Relevant and can give you a picture of the young Emergent movement.

The Emergent church often adheres to Leftist politics, forming the opposite side of the coin to the false right politics within the church. [the false culture wars and delusion of the so called Christian Right. The Emergent movement is designed to appeal to young people in their 20s and 30s but is bringing older people in well. As I have stated before there are many good articles describing the Emergent movement and how it is a road to Rome bringing Catholic mysticism into the evangelical churches.

There is much about the Emergent movement that reminds me of my almost 13 years in the Unitarian Universalist Association.

1. Exploration, and acceptance of other religions as pathways to truth. The UUs see all religions as all pathways up the same mountain to 'god". Emergents praise other false religions in the same way. See here, here, and here. Seeing the "gods" of false religions as all representing "god" or archetypes of "god" as it were.. The Emergents speak of Jesus but seem no different from those who praised Jesus Christ as a "great moral teacher" within the UU church. New Agers in and out of the UU considered Jesus Christ a "great avatar" among MANY. This too is the Roman Catholic indoctrination [read Nostra Aetate] where the Catholic church speaks of the 'jesus" as the "universal savior" that will save even those in false religions.


As I have stated before, here the Unitarian Universalist church is involved too in many of the interfaith activities of the Roman Catholic church. UU leaders have paid visits to the Vatican and been involved in Vatican 2 as you can see there. I have found other organizations with both UU and Catholic involvement. The Unitarian Universalist Association is VERY involved in the interfaith movement.

The Emergents love and support the interfaith movement too. One example was the Seeds of Compassion event with the Dalai Lama leading the way, that had Emergent leaders involved. [see second to the last link on that too]. The unity with other religions, and praise for their endeavors pours from Emergent circles.I was taught no different in the UU, told to unite with "like-minded" religions over and over. In fact the UU, spoke constantly of the unity of the world and in bringing all religions together.

Remember my prevailing theme on this blog, Mystery Babylon overlaps with Rome heading the pack; spiritually one will either be with the "one mind of the beast" or standing up for Jesus Christ.






In fact Emergent churches have become more and more like the UU especially when it comes to interfaith, there are Emergent churches, that almost fully resemble Unitarian Universalist congregations that preach unity of all religions instead of even bothering to point to Christianity or seeing it as just another spoke in the universalist wheel. Faith House of Manhattan, would be an example of one of these. [look to the right to the supporters, there is the "friend of the Emergent Village" logo] You want to see Emergent one world religion stuff taken to it's zenith, that link will tell you all you need to know.

I somehow doubt there is any witnessing of the gospel going on with these Wiccans!


What is the message there? That its only big "meanies}, who do not embrace the religion of the Wiccans nor embrace "The Other"? Even here we see the usual theme of supposed xenophobia pushed on people to get them to conform. We can be friendly to unbelievers, talk with them, etc, but religiously, it's our duty NOT to have tolerance rap sessions while embracing their religion but to preach the gospel and warn them of what they have been deceived by.

2. Bad Liberal Politics. [remember I see a lot of bad conservative politics too] If the global elites desire it, they are on board. I noticed doing research for this article the Unitarian Universalist Association is shilling for MORE immigration even as Americans go jobless, no surprises there. Isn't it interesting how they preach the same exact message as the Roman Catholic bishops in America? One can understand the plight of impoverished Mexicans, here we see the same mentions of the "common good" and promotion of globalist open borders. When visiting the churches here, I told a friend, its like all these so called Christians turned Unitarian Universalist or something? Bad liberal politics and liberation theology and preaching globalism wasn't just limited to the United Methodists anymore. Emergents focus on the same agendas of the left, liberation theology--twisted forms of social justice. Basically what you get is the Tower of Babel globalist reconstructionism but this time sold from the leftist ideology side instead of the Dominionist "right" side. It all goes to the same place, support of one world government, and the one world religion. I sat in a UU churches for years hearing their speeches on racism [which actually brought more division and strife between people], entreaties for the planet to join together, pleads for money for the latest leftist dicator they supported while those just 2 miles down the street went hungry. There was the day they asked us to weep copious tears over Bali, while the local homeless pushed their shopping carts down the streets, as well as the open support of Communism, and globalism. Emergents are supportive of every globalist program out there too. Sadly the powers that be know how to exploit natural human altruism and concern for others and misguide it.

3. Transcendentalism, Mysticism and experiential methods. The UU church expores the mysticism of many religions. Transcendentalism which in the early years stood against some of the intellectualisms of the 1800s actually became a core part of the UU church and serves as some of its foundations, where intuition ruled the roost, as the foundation for truth, instead of religious doctrine. This tree has many other branches too including the New Thought movement, we see a huge strain of these methods in Quakerism, Religious Science and Divine Science. When I was UU, many of the ministers preached the messages of the Transcendents, ranging from Ralph Waldo Emerson, to more modern poets used in religious services. Truth was not seen as "outside" but within the person, where "the god within' was to bring forth new truth and revelations. That is the best way I can explain it. As for the mysticism, exploring the different mystical rituals of pagan religions is now unknown in Unitarian circles, this can include everything from out and out meditation practices, doing Zen-drawing where you draw the same patterns over and over to celebrating summer solstices or repeating Hindu mantras. I saw everything from Hindu sand painting at a UU church, where the picture was brushed away, to burning slips of paper with "requests to the universe" written upon them.

With the Emergents, I have seen a fascination with Eastern religions, mysticism and depending on one's intuition too, for truth. Some even come up with new unusual ways such as this online technique with a lava lamp to lead people into more tranced out states and to have what are basically religious experiences that take the place of religious truth. Now when I was UU, there was the more New Age, pagan, experiential side, that differed from the more hard-nosed agnostics, scientific and material atheists that made up the congregations but it was ever present nonetheless.

The Emergents call it experiential worship, and it focuses on false religious experiences, here there is a lot of parallels and overlap with Catholicism, Taize worship where the same 5 words are sung over and over to bring on into a meditative state, candle lighting, producing "mysterious" atmospheres chanting and dimmed lights included and special rock-light shows, to influence people. [some of these are detailed in the PBS video above]

4. Truth is NOT Absolute. The Emergents speak of postmodernism referring to themselves even as "postmodern Christians", and Unitarian Universalists speak of themselves as being postmodern in outlook and they are! I know postmodernism is a hard term to understand, but it questions thoughts and reality itself. It questions modernism and the development of humanity into modern times but replaces it with more vain philosophy. When people talk about "deconstructionism" and "cultural relevancy", just remember who is the author of confusion. The main premise of post-modernism is TRUTH IS RELATIVE. This was the prevailing siren call of the counterculture. If you want a word to make your head hurt, post-modernism is it. Here is the best definition I could find for it:

A postmodern idea/concept/etc is one that recognizes that 'true' objectivity is impossible to obtain, and that any idea/concept/etc must be defined in relation to it's social/political/etc context, and by the biases/experiences/etc of the people(s) doing the defining/creating/etc.


Read that again, postmodern thinking believes that 'true' objectivity is impossible to obtain. Now think about how that will impact one's Christian beliefs, and you can understand how this movement has been used to bring antichrist teachings into the churches worldwide. Now think about that and how it accompanies the Emergent and UU rejection of absolute truth. This also plays into their use of inculturation, where in pleading there is no one truth, that there are many different truths for different cultures and moral relativism rules. When there is no truth, any more's of any culture will do.

The Christian stands for absolute truth, but the Emergents and UUs reject it. When I was UU, they would tell me, truth was ever evolving [this is present in the Emergent view of a changed Christianity], no one human holds the definite truth, and would retell that awful story about the elephant and blind men where the blind men would feel a different part of the elephant claiming it was something else, and that this means humankind was condemned to live in the dark, and none of us could be sure about anything, and we had to at least consider truth in other religions and places. I've since heard this story told in other liberal churches. The main message is doubt, and you cannot trust your own mind. It is fascinating seeing the wikipedia link that this story is a well-used fable in other false religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism. Again Satan's lies remain the same in the whole pantheon of Mystery Babylon. Postmodernism is confusion and VAIN PHILOSOPHY. Never trust any religious message that preaches doubt and confusion. Reject this lying garbage of Satan. The Bible tells us we can have certainty and that is what the Christian must believe.

Luk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.


This is why sound biblical doctrine in these circles is dangerous and divisive. The Catholic's called the fundamentalist belief in the Bible as intellectual suicide in 1994. Emergents consider fundamentalists to be dangerous and divisive, and arrogant in their assertions of truth. UU's preach tolerance for everyone but Bible Christians.

I don't agree with this pastor on the video, on everything but he is spot on about the Postmodernism and the Emergent movement. This video will also help you understand what I am pointing at.



For me talking to Emergents is like dealing with Unitarian Universalists who use a few Christian words for kicks. That said, God set me free from the Unitarian Universalist church after literally years of indoctrination, Emergents and UUs can be set free and led to the gospel. I am proof of that. They need the Holy Spirit and God's Word to break through the deceptions they have been given.