Roman Catholicism's Blending With Native American Religions

Some years ago I explored Rome's involvement with native American religions and other indigenous religions around the world. This article will explore the mixture of American "Indian" religious beliefs with Catholicism. Always keep in mind, when I tell you Mystery Babylon matches, mixes and blends, this is across the board. The people who are of these religions can come to Jesus Christ and be born again same as anyone else but sadly Rome keeps them in their false spirituality incorporating what they call "INCULTURATION"

Think about how today and especially in the 80s and 90s, many New Age oriented people got involved in shamanism [shaman is another name for a medicine man], dream catchers, sweat lodges and borrowed from Native American religions and traditions.

Inculturation is when the religious and other traditions of a another culture are mixed in and adhered to. As this post progresses, you will see more of what this means.

One of the latests Catholic events is this...

"Kateri Tekakwitha to become first Native American saint"

"Kateri Tekakwitha – whose smallpox scars are said to have healed on her deathbed – is to become the first Native American saint on Oct. 21, Pope Benedict XVI said today.

After naming 22 cardinals, the pope announced the church would make seven new saints, including Tekakwitha and another American woman, Mother Marianne Cope, the Associated Press said.

Tekakwitha’s father was Mohawk and her mother Algonquin. She was born in 1656 in upstate New York, but lost her parents and younger brother four years later during a smallpox outbreak. She survived with damaged eyesight and scarring.

After the French army burned her village down when she was 10, Tekakwitha moved north to a mission along the St. Lawrence River in what’s now Quebec.

At St. Francois Xavier du Sault, she encountered a Mohawk community with about a dozen nuns and converted to Catholicism by age 20, the Montreal Gazette said.

She died at age 24, and her body is enshrined in a marble tomb in Kahnawake, Que.

It was upon her death that the two miracles necessary to become a saint are to have happened. Tekakwitha’s facial scars healed and those who attended her funeral are also said to have healed. After her death, she appeared to two different people."

That turtle with the tree growing out of it is based in her earlier religion. Here is a a poem on an archdiocese website celebrating Kateri Tekawitha. Notice the pagan "spirituality" within this poem.

IN HER FOOTSTEPS

By Sr. Kateri Mitchell, SSA

Kateri Tekakwitha

Noble Turtle, Mother Earth

Gathers Her People

East, South, West and North

Mohawk Algonquin Lily

Filled with love

Grateful woman

we honor you.

Sister Turtle Clan

strong, kind and true

faithful woman

we honor you.

Tekakwitha

hope filled dignity

joyful woman

we honor you.

Woodland Cross of Life

fasting and prayer

mystical woman

we honor you.

Precious Flower

virgin, fair and free

holy woman

we honor you.

Friend with compassion

helper and healer

lover of peoples

we honor you.

Gift of Nations

gentle and forgiving

loyal witness

we thank you.

Our Sunshine

vision, bright and keen

open, generous

we thank you.

Creator centered

creation filled

air, sky, water

we thank you.

Celebrate our gathering

clans, tribes, nations

justice, harmony

we thank you.

Family united

Body, blood, life

serving, sharing

we thank you.

In your sacred journey

Blessed Kateri

we honor you

we thank you.

With the Native Americans , the Catholic church definitely is focusing on the INCULTURATION program.  When growing up, my family knew a priest, both parents were very close to. I looked up his name, and saw that he was doing Masses for Indians that mixed together Catholic and Native American rituals. As I explored more, he just wasn't an eccentric or a more liberal priest, I realized this was happening in many more places.



The Catholic church has been focused on mixing and matching Native American religious traditions with the Catholic Mass. Many Indian traditions are included even the religious and spiritually based ones into Mass. Here an upset Catholic on a message boards questions this:

"Hello everyone. Still struggling with some things. I volunteer at an inner city church that helps feed, cloth and fellowship with homeless individuals (a.k.a. street people).


I live in Western Canada. Statistically, "Native American" or "First Nations" people make up a big portion - at least where I volunteer. The church is along "skid row" which coincidentally has numerous churches.


When an "inner city" person dies of "First Nation" heritage, the Catholic Church down the street always (as far as I am aware) handles the funeral service, regardless if they were members or not or [sic] attended.


One thing that bothers me is in the Mass a "First Nation's" ceremony is incorporated into the Mass. It is called a "sweet grass ceremony" (or something like that - if someone knows for sure, please correct me). It involves the burning of some sort of grass and is intended to create smoke or something. This has roots in their heritage (rain dancing, etc. to the gods)


Can anyone explain this, and if it bothers anyone? I am confused over the whole thing and find it kind of creepy - and I mean that with all Charity. Do Masses throughout the world incorporate heritage type things? (I had heard in Bahamas or Barbados that allot of "voodoo" stuff happens but I am sure these are blatant misrepresentations).


Thanks to all those who respond."

This Catholic may not realize it, but even the last Pope has been "smudged". This was by a Zapotec Indian not in North America, but obviously the same idea is here. This is basically a pagan ceremony that brings in spirits.

This is not just a neutral tradition based on atmosphere, or cultural music or art,  but used to call out spirits:

The beginning of the ceremony is a time of prayer and contemplation. Walk Sacred explains, "The medicine man begins by setting up an alter. Usually, the alter has some type of antler to hold his pipe. Then he sends up sacred herbs in the four directions. There are four sacred herbs in the Native culture. One is sage, which purifies a room of negative energies. Another is sweet grass. A medicine man told me, This is what brings in the heavy guys. Sweet grass brings in big, powerful beings from the other side to heal you. The third is cedar. Cedar is for purification. It sets up an atmosphere for the spirits to work. Its a sweetness they like and its attractive to the energies of the invisible world. The fourth is tobacco, which has always been sacred to Native culture. It is used in ceremonies of smoking the pipe. It is used to bless the earth. Whenever we harvest herbs or cut barks off of trees, we always offer tobacco to the four directions and to the sky father and earth mother. And we plant tobacco as an honoring of that plant, tree, or substance that is giving its life, or part of its life, to help our life."

It gets stranger when you realize there have been SWEET GRASS CEREMONIES done at Catholic Masses.

caption for this photo:"Jesuit priest wearing an Indian chief's headdress for the mass at the (Kateri) Tekakwitha Conference.

There is even a church in the USA, called the CONGREGATION OF THE GREAT SPIRIT. The bishop there, admitted to celebrating the solstice which caused a bit of controversy on some Trad Catholic message boards for a time

During my UU years, remember UUs explore all sorts of religions and paganism, native and tribal American pagan rites were incorporated into our services: spiral dances, solstice celebrations, prayers to the "Great Spirit", and even vision quests were set up at New Age centers. I know those things are adverse to Christianity, so I was familiar with what they mean by the 4 winds and the 4 directions stuff.

The 4 directions is part of native american spirituality. It appears in other religions too as well. In the UU, I heard UU ministers calling or praying to the 4 winds/directions. [see here too]

"A long time ago, the White Buffalo Calf Woman came to Earth and gave the Lakota people the four winds or directions.

When the Lakota people pray or do anything sacred, they see the world as having four directions. From these four directions come the four winds. Each direction has a special meaning and color associated with it. The cross symbolizes all directions."

 Two laypeople, Jerry Nieblaus and Kathy Sandoval performed the sacred Four Directions ceremony during the Mass. Carrying an abalone shell filled with burning white sage, Nieblas pointed to the four directions as Sandoval, wearing a willow bark skirt, fanned the smoke with red-tail hawk feathers and prayed. "We honor the creator, our homeland and ancestors and ask them to pray for us and to be with us on this day," said Nieblas."

Acjachemen Tribal Coordinator Jerry Nieblas leads the procession carrying the sacred sage in an abalone shell during a 2007 ceremony. The ceremony organized by Nieblas was intended to bring feuding tribal factions together

These type of ceremonies have been used with the Popes, with Pope John Paul II being blessed by an Eagle Feather. See video here.

Cardinal Arinze followed the same example receiving a shamanic blessing:

"Card. Francis Arinze, then President of the Pontifical Council for Inter-religious Dialogue, participated in an event at the Tekakwitha Conference in Fargo, North Dakota, in 1989. On that occasion he celebrated a Mass. Before the Mass, he received a pagan ritual "blessing" from a shaman, who passed an eagle feather over his head invoking the protection of the Manitous (spirits that inhabited nature), above. Another shot of the same act is shown below first row."

What is saddest for these Native American people is, they will not be given the truth in Catholicism but told to adhere to their past pagan traditions and told to mix them together with what is just a veneer of "christianity". By the way this mix and matching blending occurs with just about every false religion in the world including animist ones. Rome does not just reach out to the native people of the Americas this way, but WORLDWIDE.  Instead of following God's Word which tells us to leave pagan and false ways behind, Rome does the exact opposite.

The Kateri Tekakwith Conference, named after this new saint shows these terrible deceptions.

The keynote speaker of the Conference was Francis Cardinal Arinze, the head of the Pontifical Council for Inter-religious Dialogue at the Vatican. Cardinal Arinze, a native of Africa, cheered the spirits of North American Natives by his reflection on his own traditional native roots. He opened his address:


“One of the major objectives of the Tekakwitha Conference is attention to the religious and spiritual traditions and values of the Native American cultures, I wish to propose to you some reflections on the following points:


1) Importance of the cultural roots of a People.


2) Bringing the Gospel to a People in their culture.


3) Traditional Religions and the importance of pastoral attention to them.


4) Dialogue in the Church and study of local circumstances.


5) Some key doctrinal points.


6) Looking toward the future.


“The Creator has walked with you and your ancestors along the centuries. You are richly gifted in your traditions, history, customs, sacred ways and cultures. Your collective historical consciousness merits respect and credibility.


“Pope Paul VI emphasizes that culture and the Good News of Jesus Christ must meet: ‘Fidelity both to the message whose servants we are, and to the people to whom we must transmit it living and intact, is the central axis of evangelization.’”

“If in any particular area of the world there has not been adequate attention paid to the people’s culture in the work of evangelization, this is not due to lack of proper official directives from the Church, but due to failure to follow these instructions.” (11)

See where this is all going? By the way there are even Catholic priests who consider themselves MEDICINE MEN.


NOW YOU CAN BE BOTH MEDICINE MAN AND CATHOLIC PRIEST.....

Pay attention to the man named in this article:

Catholic Indians : Pipe Prayers and Mass: 2 Rituals Blend

February 16, 1987|RUSSELL CHANDLER | Times Religion Writer

Medicine man John Hascall fanned the smoldering embers of sage leaves and sweet grass with a large eagle feather, sending the billowing white smoke toward the circle of Native American worshipers gathered Sunday for a pipe prayer ceremony.

"I pray that you will be strong . . . and come to understand our Indian ways," Hascall said in English after praying in the Ojibway language.

Laying gifts of cedar chips, spice and tobacco on an Indian blanket where he sat cross-legged, Hascall offered them to "Grandfather God" and prayed for the "coming of spring to Mother Earth."

Ojibway medicine man Hascall is also a Roman Catholic priest.

A few minutes after he passed a wood-and-stone prayer pipe among the 75 gathered at the parish school in Lincoln Heights, he celebrated Mass across the street in Sacred Heart Catholic Church.

This could be a picture of him, found on a message board....but that is an odd picture if you think about it, Catholic priest garb mixed with Indian dress.

Take a look at this:

And if you take a look at this book written by a Jesuit, you can see Rome's sacramentalism is adopted as "magic" by the Native Americans as well.

The last line in yellow takes "fundamentalist" Christians on who may not be so happy with the mixing of religions here.

I know I repeat myself all the time about all mystery babylon religions overlapping but they truly do. Not only are their priests who consider themselves Indian Medicine men, I have seen this adapted with other religions with Catholic monks being involved with Hindu ashrams and more.

However what a travesty for the Native American people being misled by Rome!

For those who are Native Americans and reading this article, this is not meant to disparage who you are. God is no respecter of persons, All people can come to Jesus Christ:


Deu 26:19    And to make thee high above all nations which he hath made, in praise, and in name, and in honour; and that thou mayest be an holy people unto the LORD thy God, as he hath spoken.


However there are things saved Christians must leave behind when they become born again. In my case, I had to leave many things including  the "traditions of my ancestors" leaving behind the Catholic church. I had to repent of and give up many things, in obedience to God. Many will use "cultural sensitivity" to blur the lines of what is truth. We can respect aspects of a culture but when it comes to spiritual matters, the first commandment makes it clear, the only Spirit we should be dealing with is The Holy Spirit. Calling on familiar spirits is forbidden multiple times in the Bible. This applies to all peoples worldwide and renders all shamanism and medicine "work" against God's will. 


Deu 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. 

Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

Deu 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

Deu 18:12 For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.


When I was UU, since that church incorporates endless rituals of different religions I witnessed many abominations, I had to repent of them and depart from them.

Sadly the Native American's here are not being given the true gospel via Rome because Rome does not have the gospel. There is a point where attention to cultural sensitivity becomes out and out universalism and a mixing and blending of false religions. Telling people to keep their false religious traditions, false spirits, rituals and more is a travesty, but that is how Roman Catholicism operates as the head of Mystery Babylon.

A Favorite Hymn #1

This video was made for a lady dying of cancer but the message to her is good as well. This is another favorite hymn of mine.

A Jingoistic Preacher

Video from Stuff Fundies Like.

Untitled from Darrell Dow on Vimeo.

I don't think there is anything wrong with loving one's own country. They better love God first though. Obviously people have figured out I am NOT a globalist if they have been reading this blog long enough. However nations are not eternal. They rise and fall. Sadly with the global elite using America for the biggest wealth clean out in the world and our military [such as the Navy for a "global force for good", our country seems to be replicating things that happened to the Roman empire such as an overextension of the military. Did you know that our military has been sent to 4 African nations now by Obama?

[integrating more of those gap nations........]

I've sat through some sermons like this in the IFB especially during Revival week. I remember the extreme patriotic, right wing supporting "Sword of the Lord". My pastor was the more humble type, though I saw him influenced a bit this way, though he did wisely warn of the hard times that were coming. I have seen IFB churches literally plastered with flags on July 4th with a flag in every corner.

Many mean well, wanting to just love their country, but What is odd is all the jingoism leads to a spiritual blindness. I have seen it. This is where pride in one's nation leads to the pride that spiritually blinds. The religious right is full of this stuff and influences. When this guy says "“We’re the only nation who has ever used her power consistently for good.”, is he kidding us? Maybe up to WW2 but right now with our country fighting the papal "crusades" in the Middle East, these wars have already brought death to hundreds of thousands. What came of Iraq but endless profits for some global elites? And what about Vietnam?

Ever wonder why the so called "religious" right is tied to endless war mongering and things that have nothing to do with what is in God's Word. Ever wonder why none of these preachers speak out against the loss of American freedoms or for the poor in our own nation? Be careful of the false patriotism. This is what is helping Dominionism march along, what fuels David Barton and the delusions of the "religious right". This is what helps people be deceived by the likes of Glenn Beck. Glenn Beck in all of his books, eludes to "freedom" and all the codewords that get people all stirred up. One thing, most false churches in history have been used for socio-political control, we are seeing that now.

1 Samuel 8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and show them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.
10 ¶ And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.

Glenn Beck Visits the Vatican and it's Leaders: Wants Global Tea Party

Glenn Beck, Mormon and political media hero to endless evangelicals on the religious right, pays a visit to the Vatican. [see here too] and holds talks with Catholic Cardinals and leaders including those who desire an "international Tea Party".  



Watch this video. Glenn Beck wants to start a GLOBAL RIGHT movement to 'counter-act" the GLOBAL LEFT. Think about the implications of this. That is what this GLOBAL TEA PARTY STUFF is about.  He tells us about a prime minister from G8 who has reached out to his office.

He states in the above video:

"If the left is global, we must too be global, we must have some framework and organization for a global movement. I also was there for why I was at the Vatican to pledge my support for the Catholic church and their efforts here to stand against their efforts to stand against what is a totalitarian move."

As you watch this remember Rome rules the COMMUNISM VS. FASCIST/RIGHT VS. LEFT dance. Otherwise known as the right vs. left deception, of course used WORLDWIDE not just in America. I know there are some questions about Alberto Rivera, but he got the part RIGHT about Rome running the Fascism vs. Communism show. Basically otherwise known as the dialectic. When you watch the above, keep those things in mind.

Glenn greets Cardinal Dolan of New York at The Vatican

We can now reveal that Glenn was in Rome, where he was invited to meet with several high-ranking officials in the Catholic Church at the Vatican. While overseas, he also spoke with the leaders of several European groups about building an international movement rooted in the principles of peace and individual freedom and responsibility.

While in Rome, Glenn visited The Vatican and met with several Cardinals, Monsignors and Archbishops in the Catholic Church over the course of several days. They discussed the importance of freedom of expression and freedom of conscience, as well as standing against the rise of secularism and the rise of anti-Semitism.

Beck came back and wrote an article called "Why we are all Catholics Now" . He has started a movement named after this called the "We are all Catholics now" movement.

"Beck is encouraging individuals to get involved by calling their Senators and letting them know that “we are all Catholics now.” The issue at hand is not about contraception as it has been framed by many media outlets, he says. Instead, it is a religious freedom issue that hinges upon the separation of church and state’s mandate that the government not force churches to violate their values and principles."

This article pertains to the contraception debate between the Catholic church and Obama's goverment. This is more culture wars smokescreens actually meant to draw evangelicals and the Catholic church together. So while Beck and his evangelical followers, all praise Rome, don't forget that Obama himself was helped put in place by Rome, with involvements with the Catholic Campaign for Human Development and his training as a "community organizer". How short are some memories?

But this is the right vs. left deception road show. Anyone who sees the Vatican as a bastion of "religious freedom" has lost it. Sadly many will let all the rhetoric fool them. The government should not be forcing anyone to pay for abortion, if it is against their values, but look at the big picture here. Rome is using this issue as a culture wars "in".  For all of Rome's talk against abortion, it is just that. If one investigates some of the ACTIONS behind all the talk, the abortion smokescreen picture is seen for what it is.  You know interesting things crop up even in the Catholic news world, usually sincere Catholics who take time to study what is going on...articles like this one...


"Leading United Nations Abortion Advocate a Prof at a Pontifical Catholic University"

"The Editor of the Vatican newspaper says Obama is not a 'pro-abortion' president"

Some of these are a  few years old, but any serious researcher can find that discrepancies abound such as that. These are just a couple of examples. I still remember the Notre Dame controversy where they arrested the sincere but deceived Catholics who protested a pro-abortion liberal politician [Obama] coming to that campus. Here a priest is arrested for peacefully protesting.  So that is why I ask...."Are memories THAT SHORT?"

One thing I used to tell people back then, you think the Vatican couldn't stop all that? If you google who the president of Notre Dame is, he works for a religious order just like most priests and others. Rome rules those. They supported it because Obama was THEIR MAN. For you see, they use both sides against the middle.

I see Glenn Beck as just one more of their would be freemasonic "servants". Don't forget his promotion of Christian Zionism with Hagee. 

Here he is at Hagee's church speaking for Christian Zionism...

"Glenn Beck Speaks at Pastor John Hagee's Church on Israel and Holocaust Survivor Corrie Ten Boom"



Glenn Beck's writer, taking pictures of him and the dinners, during his trip to the Vatican was very impressed, Beck even got invited to a luncheon where they honored new cardinals. See pictures here too.  I doubt that is an invite extended to very many supposedly outside the system.

Some may remember some of Beck's earlier words about the Vatican:

"BECK: We are entering a…we are entering a dark, dark period of man. Um, I was, um, I was in the Vatican, and I was surprised that the individual I was speaking to knew who I was. And they said: ‘Of course we know who you are. What you’re doing is wildly important. We’re entering a period of great darkness, and if good people don’t stand up, we could enter a period unlike we have seen in a very long time.’ It was odd to stand in the Vatican and hear those words. Of all places that would understand the Dark Ages."

Funny, he says they UNDERSTAND the Dark Ages when they helped to create them.

What are they doing now? Concerning Beck's Mormonism remember that is just another daughter church of Rome. He is just another servant helping to advance their agenda. Is this a hand sign of some sort?

What is so sad about Glenn Beck, is I have met endless numbers of evangelicals including a Southern Baptist preacher who are supporters.  If the Duggars have no problem protesting abortion along side the Knights of Columbus, Beck may be absolutely correct in stating..."Everyone's a Catholic now" [well except Bible Believers who stand against the Antichrist system]. It is getting that way. You are either for Rome, and deceived by it's many daughters or fellow members of Mystery Babylon or you are not and stand for Jesus Christ. Outside of that there are a few sincere but not yet seared non-believers who recognize Rome as "evil"even if they cannot put their finger on why, but Beck obviously is NOT one of them. Years ago I remember writing to people on a message board, "they will be roping the evangelicals into Rome more and more". This has now come true. Those who see the Roman Catholic church as the harlot, are very few and far between.

They praise this man for his 'culture war' stances and ignore the bigger picture. Many do not even care that he is a member of a false religion outwardly, which is Mormonism which teaches every Mormon man becomes 'the god of his own planet". 

None care about truth and Beck's joining with the harlot. They care more about "fighting the liberals" instead of preaching the gospel and more about this world then eternity. So they sign up and are deceived. Ask yourself where this is all going?

Rom 16:18    For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

RE: The Daughter Protestant Article: Distinctions I Want to Make

The Protestant daughters article brought a lot of comments and emails. Some were upset while others liked the article.  One thing I want to ask people to question is their definition of church. Focusing on the organized church 'system', the building, the human organizations it is easy to get sidetracked.  This is a distinction new Christians face.  For me there is a vast difference between the visible 'organized' churches and their branches, and the church or ekklesia that exists of all believers who are those who have been born again in Jesus Christ.

In other words, those who are believers in Jesus Christ, are "the church". "We [those who are in Jesus Christ] are the church" [or rather the ekklesia]. Jesus Christ preached that whenever two or three were gathered in his name, He was there. Matt 18:20 What should matter the most a Christian, is if someone is born again, are they a fellow Christian? Now this isn't the blurring of the lines, the emergents or ecumenicals are going after, where they desire unity of all the false churches,  but discerning who is a fellow believer that truly loves Jesus Christ. I have met a few in different types of churches. Ekklesia means "the called out ones', what are we being called out of? Think about that one.

One thing I want to challenge those who are new to this type of thinking is to think outside the institutional church box. There was a time when I had to do the SAME. This blog if anything has shown how corrupt the church system has become and how tied it is into the world system, of both religious and political Babylon. The false church system became corrupt from very early on. The book of Acts even warns about grievous wolves RIGHT at that TIME. To me some of those wolves are those honored church fathers who brought in false teachings of Rome like Ignatius of Antioch backing up the clergy system. Who knows what's a forgery or what is not? Even the academics quibble over what is "spurious" [fake] or not. All I know is none of this stuff matches the Bible. Click to enlarge.

I have studied some of their writings, and found most opposite to scripture and setting up things for later deception. What can sum up the teachings of most early church fathers, but the NICOLAITANS. . It's all about elevating man and a CLERGY SYSTEM.

Revelation 2:6
But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

I could write  individual articles talking about the false teachings of Ignatius, Origen, Clement and a whole bunch of them, but given time and space, have not. Anyhow I have read this stuff years ago, even though a lot caused my eyes to droop in boredom and it was hard going. I knew God wanted me to at least know the basic truth about these guys, so the "church history" message would not deceive me as I have seen it do so with many intellectually driven types who let man's history fool them over God's Word.

In paraphrased form, this is basically what is written in the above...and elsewhere.

“Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your Clergy too, as you would Apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command from God. Make sure no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as wherever Jesus Christ is present, we have the Catholic Church. Nor is it permissable to conduct baptism or the Eucharist without the bishop. On the other hand, whatever does have this sanction can be sure of God’s approval too. This is the way to make certain of soundness and validity of anything you do.”

If one keeps their scripture thinking cap on, they can figure out quick they are dealing with early wolves and deceivers. Here is one quote I found years ago...

"VIII. I therefore have done my own part as a man perfectly established in union. But where there is division and wrath, God dwells not. Therefore the Lord forgives all that repent, if on their repentance they turn to the unity of God and the council of the bishop. I believe in the grace of Jesus Christ, Who shall loose from off you every bond.[1] Moreover, I entreat you, act not in any matter in the spirit of faction, but as disciples of Christ. For I have heard some saying, 'Except I find it in the archives {SCRIPTURES} [2] I believe it not in the Gospel.' And when I said to them, 'It is written,'[3] they answered me, 'That is the question in dispute.' But my archives[4] are Jesus Christ; the inviolable"

Does that saying sound familiar? Keep this in mind...

We were told to search scriptures to see if things were so, and Ignatius did not like that oviously claiming he was going straight to the source "jesus" while ignoring scripture. Where have we heard that before but from Rome itself?

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.


Here is something written in the same document, Rome loved this one obviously:

"VII. For even if after the flesh some wished to lead me astray, yet the Spirit is not deceived since it is from God. For it knoweth whence it cometh and whither it goeth,[2] and it convicts the things which are in secret. I cried aloud, when I was among you,[3] I spake with a loud voice, with the voice of God, 'Give heed unto the bishop and the presbytery and deacons.' But they suspected[4] that I said this because I knew beforehand the division caused by some;[5] yet He is my witness, Whose prisoner I am, that I learned it not from human flesh. But it was the Spirit[6] Who kept preaching in these words: 'Do nothing without the bishop. Keep your flesh as a shrine of God. Love union. Flee divisions. Become followers of Jesus Christ as He also was of the Father.'"

This blog is named after one of my favorite chapters in the Bible:

1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Never trust those who always want to be in charge, and do not see themselves as servants to the flock. We see the modern examples today with all the "leadership' conferences, shepherding movement and rest.

Once I told a church, I liked, I would not sign a membership book, I said being written into the book of life was the only "membership" that counted.

Phl 4:3    And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and [with] other my fellowlabourers, whose names [are] in the book of life.

With INDIVIDUALS what matters is, whether they have been born again and regenerated via the Holy Spirit. Of course if they keep sitting in a pew where truth is not preached and where there is no love of God's Word, that shows bad fruit and lack of God-given discernment.

Sadly many look at the organized church system as determining who is a Christian or not. That is not who or what determines it. God does.  Think outside of the organized church box!

Remember too here, the deceived and deceiving will try to water down things telling you, "oh everyone is a Christian who SAYS they are or even just uses the name "jesus". The Emergents even use and abuse the word ekklesia seeking to round up everyone as fellow "christians" who has ever said the name "jesus" pondering nothing in scripture. One needs to discern between God drawn boundaries and false human "unity" boundaries.

While I know there are still some fellow believers in the churches, though more have had to leave because of churches falling away or are "scattered sheep" like myself,  I define "church" differently.  I consider the system of false authority where one man runs the show and where a skewed version of OT tithing is promoted to have gone off the rails long ago. Church councils, and men elevating themselves and lording over others and early church fathers, I believe were all distractions. If you follow Augustine, [name other early church father here] while there are those who are sincere, I believe you already have been misled. If your church follows a creed, that is where a lot of the trouble started instead of sticking to God's Word. Human organizations are "imperfect" surely, but one thing that bothers me of late, is those who use that as an excuse to play cover up for churches that have essentially fallen away and no longer stick to God's Word but have incorporated themselves into the NWO agenda and who are without reservation part of the globalist Mystery Babylon system. Were there born again believers in the churches of the Reformation? Sure there was as the Reformation brought God's Word back into people's hands. But one needs to think outside the organized/institutional church boxes.

I know for some, stating that all these branches of the denominations just about is tied to Rome is hard information to hear. It was hard to face this myself, as I searched among the churches for fellow believers. There are some fundamentalist and other churches and exceptions who go with God's Word, but even in the Baptist system, and I'll say this as someone who was happily in an IFB church for some years, even most of the Baptist churches are hooked into Rome. Hard stuff to face but it's true. The World Baptist Alliance represents the majority of baptist denominations out there and has been working with Rome as well. Don't forget Rick Warren is technically a baptist. The SBC while refusing some blatant ecumenical ties, definitely is tied into some dubious political and other agendas that originate in Rome. Where do you all think Dominionism really comes from when you get right down to it? Writing over 40 articles, it all traces back to Rome, and it makes sense why there are so many Knights of Malta types driving that bus. 

The apostles warned over and over of the false church to come and of the great falling away, and these things began early on...

Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

Think about this too, is it an accident that all the errors, trace back to Rome? No it is not.

Where is the EKKLESIA? If you are a Christian, that is your true Christian family.

When You Are Told To Ignore What is Right in Front of your Eyes

Symbols have meaning. While people may be correct to an extent that the symbols have no "power" in themselves, they are definitely used to communicate. One thing in this world people will tell you to ignore right what is in front of your eyes. The politicians and false pastors do it. How much of the deception in this world is about telling people, "you aren't really seeing that", or "that didn't really happen", or one example would be "the economy is improving" as people know there are more unemployed people then ever before and see the endless boarded up stores in their own communities. This is gaslighting to the max. I do not know what this blogger's objective really was but why the ignoring of what people warned about?

"Demystifying symbols"

My question for this, if you can't even admit what is right in front of your eyes, I think you are in trouble.  there's too many joining the "Nothing to See Here" brigade and not challenging or standing up against evil. Sadly we are told this so often, sincere people are getting sucked into the vacuum of DENYING what is right in front of their eyes.  We already are in a world where millions of Americans can watch blatant satanism on TV and make "nothing" of it.

What Is THIS "COMMON GOOD" stuff about?

Is It "Takes a Family" Like "It Takes a Village"?

Common good is a phrase you are seeing thrown all over the place....

Remember how I have always talked about how both sides come together in a way to present the same things and move everyone to the same place? The so called right and left deception, meeting in the middle coming together when it comes to globalism and growing the power of the state?

I found this while reading today...

"Rick Santorum’s mysterious, paradoxical manifesto, ‘It Takes a Family’: Character Sketch"

But Santorum, in his zeal to be taken seriously as a thinker, mobilizes a wide array of social-science research (including some citations from liberals) to buttress his argument that hedonistic individualism is jeopardizing traditional families and their irreplaceable role in raising children. This, of course, is an explosive topic--and it is unlikely that Santorum can win many converts among liberal and moderate skeptics. But it is hard not to be impressed by the energy that Santorum devotes to his argument.


Written on the eve of Santorum's uphill 2006 reelection bid for a third Senate term (he lost by 700,000 votes), It Takes a Family offers an unusual window into the mind of its author. This is not a volume to study in order to decipher Santorum's governing agenda, although it is safe to predict that he would be the most ardent social-conservative president in history. What gives the book value in the middle of a presidential campaign is that it provides lasting clues about the thought processes that Santorum would use to make decisions in the Oval Office. The former senator is both a devout Catholic and a lawyer--and it is easy to see the influence of both intellectual frameworks in It Takes a Family.


"In developing my understanding of social policy," Santorum writes, "I have learned a lot from the tradition of Catholic social thought." Here Santorum is referring to the Catholic concept of "subsidiarity," which he defines as "the principle that all social challenges should be addressed at the level of the smallest social unit possible, preferably the family." This belief structure is compatible with the embrace by constitutional conservatives of the Tenth Amendment and the states rights doctrines that go with it. But it also allows Santorum to discuss innovative family-based and church-based approaches to fighting poverty.

Let's look at what is in common here. See the phrase "Common Good"?

Now the common good, doesn't appear on the cover of Hillary Clinton's book, but that theme is in there too. In fact that is what the entire book addresses.

Hillary Clinton has advanced the theme of the 'common good" for a long time.

 BILL CLINTON has spoken of the common good and praised it as well.

This event was held at a Jesuit University, no surprises there...

President Bill Clinton and a panel of experts convened yesterday at Georgetown University to discuss the “common good,” a progressive vision for America and the world championed by the Center for American Progress and other allies.

John Podesta, President and CEO of the Center, opened the event by noting that in today’s tumultuous landscape, revisiting this old yet powerful moral principle is important. The panel’s speakers and President Bill Clinton’s keynote address developed and expanded the notion of the common good as a concept in contemporary politics and society that needs to be reinvigorated for the good of all people—both in America and beyond.

Its a term thrown around in so many places and on the liberal side, it's often quite used...

But you'll hear it in other places:

The Pope loves the idea of the Common Good.

and the Catholic church has adopted it. Really ask yourself what all the fancy words mean they use like solidarity...

and hey guess who else liked it?

History calls those men the greatest who have ennobled themselves by working for the common good; experience acclaims as happiest the man who has made the greatest number of people happy.

Marx, Letter to His Father (1837)

and Communism described on a college website:

 The vision of communism was very similar to that of anarchism: a stateless society in which central government had "withered away," local, ground-up control of all affairs by strictly democratic processes based at the place of work, abolition of the market system (no money, no buying and selling) and its replacement by a system according to which people would voluntarily work for the common good to the extent they were able under the understanding that they could receive whatever they needed for free ("from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"). National boundaries and governments having been eliminated, war would cease 

Hmm flashing a Masonic sign right there...

and Hitler advanced the COMMON GOOD message...

Well its just not the "progressives", or "liberals" anymore joined in on this place as this one blogger writes:

The reality is that these people are actually trying to establish an Oligarchy where they run everything and the rest of us are reduced to servants and serfs who must work to support them while they confiscate our earnings in the name of the common good

Its both sides, the right and left.....

Santorum, obviously in the original article and in his 2005 book title supports the COMMON GOOD TOO. Notice what he says here, about "radical individuals"

"In a 2005 speech at the Heritage Foundation, Santorum argued that men and women should not be treated either as “pathetic dependents” or as “radical individuals.” “Someone,” he argued, “always gets hurt when masses of individuals do what is only in their own self-interest. That is the great lie of liberal freedom. . . . Freedom is liberty coupled with responsibility to something bigger or higher than the self. It is a self-less freedom. It is sacrificial freedom. It is the pursuit of our dreams with an eye towards the common good.”

That "radical individuals" stuff is kind of scary. Talk about taking the culture wars and Dominionism to the extreme, I found this quote too:


Santorum said:

“One of the criticisms I make is to what I refer to as more of a Libertarianish right. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. That is not how traditional conservatives view the world. There is no such society that I am aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.”

Freedom, the brief times it has happened in history came about from valuing the individual, where liberty came first and where the person or individual came before the state. Of course this worked far better when people were being led by God. Individualism before collectivism. We see this now being turned on it's head on both sides of the political divide. This is what the elites want.

And do not forget Santorum is a Knights of Malta

and belongs to the CNP

and has backed up these ideas using the culture wars.



Notice how he uses the culture wars, to twist things, and to promote more power and control from the government and other circles. Here you see the inherent problem with Dominionism, they think they can MAKE people become "good".

I really see no difference from Obama, just from a different direction.

"Obama on the Global Common Good"

So ask yourself what is all this COMMON GOOD stuff about? And why is it being advanced from both directions? Even if one speaks of this starting on the family level rather then village level, what real difference does it make? They both want the same amount of control. Hey supposedly Santorum wrote his book in response to Hillary's but what really is different in the message?

The title “It Takes a Family” was meant as a direct challenge to Hillary Clinton’s earlier book “It Takes a Village.” His publisher called it a “conservative response.” Santorum said: “It is a contrast to how the left looks at structure and order in society and how I look at structure and order in society.”

Clinton remained silent on the book until about a week after its release in July 2005 when she happened to be passing Santorum in the basement of the Capitol.

“It takes a village, Rick, don’t forget that,” Clinton offered as she went by.

“It takes a family,” Santorum replied.

“Of course, a family is part of a village!” Hillary shot back before the two went their separate ways.

Sounds good doesn't it? Tear jerking calls for people to join together for the whole of society, and the COLLECTIVE? But it's just another set up, another right and left deception, another push for collectivism and control from the top.


Right vs. Left has been used before for control...

2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

See "Left Wing and Right Wing: Its All A Big Lie!"